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LuckyLefty

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900 Global Red Silver Wisdom...Oldy but goodie
« on: January 28, 2015, 10:44:32 AM »
OK,

So I had the original Gold Blue Wisdom, very jumpy and powerful off the spot.

For Seniors?  I don't think so. 

Then I read the description of this ball and they say S65 but weaker?  Wha?  They say same core from way back with the Ti Boss or is it the tall core from the Noize series.....  but less diff and higher rg than the original Wisdom.   Oh yeah, I found this old but goody core!

http://www.bowlingballvault.com/companies/7-columbia-300/217-noize

Ok, it looks smoother in the videos than the Blue/Gold Wisdom.  Ebay deal for me!  Then I see a senior in our house getting 3 boards of hook, in a very hooky house.  He says guys in his region of Florida our nearly breaking in to each others houses for this ball!

Whatever, I drill about 4.75 Pin to Pap with a slight kick out and pin up and it is my mildest skid snap ball ever at 3000 and Ebonite Polish sweet!  It is sort of in my Roto Uproar Area of the lane but instead of being rev up sweep category it is skid, slurve.

On a fairly wet in the middle but severe top hat, I can create a slight amount of area with good length.  With a bent wrist I can hit my mark and swing and hit or tug and hit with 2 inches of hook in the crown.  Both carry!

With a cocked to straight wrist I can smoothly skid slurve a nice arc to the pocket with pretty good hit as long as I don't create too much total curve early.

Whoo, whoo, I can see what the seniors are cheering about!

So even though I don't believe the coverstock rating!  I love it for the light end of my arsenal.  A slightly straighter version of a beautiful Storm Lightning Flash I had a long time ago!  In the bag and my teammates like it!

Regards,

Luckylefty
PS I shouldn't have posted this till I had a back up!  Drat!  PPS I have thrown on drier shots with dry heads and mids and it is delightful with quite a bit of curve and hit.   You righties see more of that.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2015, 10:52:37 AM by LuckyLefty »
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Re: 900 Global Red Silver Wisdom...Oldy but goodie
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2015, 12:26:05 PM »
LL,

Check out the Boost line. S43 with the same core shape, slightly more diff.

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Re: 900 Global Red Silver Wisdom...Oldy but goodie
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2015, 04:37:25 PM »
Doom,

Hey thanks for pointing that out to me.  I had noticed that and then sort of let it slip.

Have you any of them?  Have you tried the Hybrid?  Is the Purple green Hybrid more solid and the Dark Blue Hybrid Pearlish?

Last question on them, do you think the Boost Pearl is as strong as the Original Wisdom Pearl?  I've got to think not with 43 rating coverstock. 

Regards,

Luckierlefty
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Re: 900 Global Red Silver Wisdom...Oldy but goodie
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2015, 09:43:25 PM »
Any 900 Globalers that know the answers to any of these questions?

Thanks,

Luckylefty
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Re: 900 Global Red Silver Wisdom...Oldy but goodie
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2015, 09:33:32 AM »
The difference between S65 and S43 is big. I haven't drilled up a Boost yet, but it looks very smooth.

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Re: 900 Global Red Silver Wisdom...Oldy but goodie
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2015, 10:24:48 PM »
My Red Silver is very smooth and I tend to create a lot of reaction!

The coverstock # of S65 seems very er um inflated compared to the S65 on the Gold Blue Wisdom which is explosive.

I guess lower.  Even in their video 900 Global says this S65 is weaker than the previous Wisdom, or is it smoother.  Doesn't compute to me...put a lower number on it!

Thanks for your comments Doom!

Regards,

Luckylefty
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Re: 900 Global Red Silver Wisdom...Oldy but goodie
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2015, 03:50:11 PM »
Any 900 globalers have any thoughts on the S65 "weaker" coverstock on the Red Silver Wisdom versus the S43 coverstock on the Boosts?

Wisdom the same?  Stronger? Equal?  Weaker?

Anyone have experience with these different lines.

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Luckylefty
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Re: 900 Global Red Silver Wisdom...Oldy but goodie
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2015, 12:35:35 PM »
Sorry, just noticed this post on the comparison of the Wisdom to the Boost line. I am generally not a pearl guy, so I didn't feel the need to throw a Wisdom (still have one NIB for a rainy day). However, I have the Boost Pearl and Boost Hybrid (Blue/Black), and I will say I didn't particularly match up with the hybrid, but the pearl is absolute money for me. I can drop down from say a Dream or Dream On to the Pearl and it is a perfect fit. It is very clean through the heads and mids with a decent backend move off the dry. Works perfectly from any angle for me. As far as a comparison to the Wisdom, I can only go off of what I have seen from a few guys and that was a very similar ball motion, just with a stronger cover. Boost line I think is a bit better than the Hook line. Hooks were very aggressive midlane with the core from the Code. Boosts seem to push a little further and aren't huge backend monsters, but do have a good amount of backend move. Very continuous and keeps the pins low. Also, very drill friendly. No complaints from me and a must have in the bag. Smooths out tough, over/under shots well. Just my .02 cents. j0hnny2x has had all three (Wisdom Red/Silver, Hook Pearl, Boost Hybrid) and can easily compare.
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Re: 900 Global Red Silver Wisdom...Oldy but goodie
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2015, 03:05:05 PM »
Iamone78,

Thanks for the replies.  Just to clarify for myself.  It sounds like you believe the Boost is quite a bit weaker off of the dry than the Red Wisdom?

Did you ever throw the Gold Black/Blue wisdom?  That ball with S65 was a monster.
The Red Wisdom seems more like a low S50 or so?

Your thoughts.

Regards,

Luckylefty
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Re: 900 Global Red Silver Wisdom...Oldy but goodie
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2015, 04:43:07 PM »
The rg was higher and the diff was lower.

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Re: 900 Global Red Silver Wisdom...Oldy but goodie
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2015, 09:28:25 PM »
I have only thrown the black/gold at a ball demo. Having a generic layout (pin over bridge, CG in palm), I didn't get a very warm fuzzy from the ball reaction. I would consider it great for a senior. Smooth and not flippy off the backend. I can't really make a very good comparison with only throwing it on that one occasion and having more games with a Hook or Boost. Comparatively, the original black/gold Wisdom has numbers very similar to the current Boost line. With that being said, I would guess with the lower diff and higher RG on the Red/Silver, the current Boost line would have a sharper backend compared to the Red/Silver. I have seen a bowler or two with the Red/Silver Wisdom and the reaction was much smoother than what I have with the Boost Pearl or Hybrid. Unfortunately, I can only truly compare the Boost line to the Hook line. I think the Boost line is definitely longer than the Hooks. I hope I wasn't misleading in my original post. At any rate, I think the coverstock ratings are pretty spot on. Also, keep in mind that the published RG and diff numbers are for undrilled balls and after drilling, those numbers do change.
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Re: 900 Global Red Silver Wisdom...Oldy but goodie
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2015, 10:01:20 PM »
Iamone,

Thanks for the Great Info.  I am looking for quite smooth.  It sounds like I have it with the Wisdom.

Regards,

Luckylefty
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Re: 900 Global Red Silver Wisdom...Oldy but goodie
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2015, 05:25:57 AM »
LucKy,  have u given any thought into the Cobra Se from AMF aboit two yrs ago? Im sure there still floating around for a deal...  I believe that is one of the utmost smoothest resin balls

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Re: 900 Global Red Silver Wisdom...Oldy but goodie
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2015, 11:23:49 AM »
Sean,

I have considered that ball.

In our house I have used some .2X flare balls without a lot of great success.  Or should I say very minimal area.  It seems it likes flares above that figure.  I have a Sonic X solid which has been good at times, an Avalanche great at some other top hat houses with clean backends and a Motiv Ascent Solid.  All killers at clean backend houses!  Mine is not that except on the jumpy side!

This core on the Wisdom red seems nice for my house.  I am just debating how weak the S43 coverstock is in my mind. 

I have a 900 Global hook blue pearl with it on and the ball is drilled pretty funky pin way up and strong.  Say 3.5 X 4 1/2 X 1(VAL to Pin Distance).

It is almost too funky to assess!

Regards,

Luckylefty
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Re: 900 Global Red Silver Wisdom...Oldy but goodie
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2015, 01:14:56 PM »
Well, remember that often on your typical house shots, that less is going to infact be more, and vise versa.  Cant tell you how many customers bring in their own brandnew hook in a box and want it drilled for max hook bc their old hook in a box barely hooked for them lol.   And i dont blame the consumer, just the fact that there really isnt enough valid information out there for them to learn that....

Super strong covers are going to resukt in less hook than a clean weaker counter due to the friction it sees, where it sees it, and how much it sees.

Im sure you (lucky) are already well aware of this, but figured if i could teach just one person something than ive accomplished what i set out to do

Sean