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mechanic81

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polish on a breakdown
« on: March 24, 2015, 06:49:12 PM »
Has anyone tried polishing a breakdown and if so what finishing procedure did you do example being like 1000 grit abralon on 4 sides with polish. And what results did you see on the lanes.

 

Hoselrockets

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Re: polish on a breakdown
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2015, 10:39:21 PM »
I have done some surface changes on my breakdown and what has worked best for me is 500 and 1000 with a hint of polish.  For me anything higher than 1000 grit I can't get the ball to read the lane. 

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Re: polish on a breakdown
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2015, 06:41:31 AM »
gotcha what kind of polish are you using hoselrockets ?

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Re: polish on a breakdown
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2015, 07:15:53 AM »
Ebonite polish

mechanic81

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Re: polish on a breakdown
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2015, 05:39:45 PM »
i think im gonna try and play with the surface some and polish it and see what happens i will post some results when i do .

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Re: polish on a breakdown
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2015, 08:37:21 PM »
well i put valentinos resssurection on to start and then followed that by valentinos snake oil polish all of this was done following the directions on the bottles and using a spinner anyway the results were the ball was skidding way to much and not reading the lane well so,i adjusted the cover by using a new 4000 abralon pad on 4 sides for 10 sec. each to knock the polish off and wow this ball is a little cleaner up front than oob but starts to read the mids and backends and carry was awesome i shot 235,299,230 for a 764 set in league this past monday

chrisleftwich

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Re: polish on a breakdown
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2015, 09:41:26 AM »
I have had good success with my pin up Breakdown being polished.  Hit surface with 1000 grit Abralon and then just a dab of Vise polish.  This creates the look of 4000 grit on my ball, but seems to get a little more push when the lanes get drier. 
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mechanic81

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Re: polish on a breakdown
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2015, 11:07:04 AM »
that is excactly what mine looks like and i get the same result a lil more push when it gets drier but still close the same mition and reaction as oob the problem i had with oob was once the heads started to go away i had to put it away but i love the smoothness,and readability of the breakdown so i wanted to adjust the cover to get that push thru the fronts and thats excactly what i got mine is drilled pin up as well

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Re: polish on a breakdown
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2015, 11:23:38 AM »
well i put valentinos resssurection on to start and then followed that by valentinos snake oil polish all of this was done following the directions on the bottles and using a spinner anyway the results were the ball was skidding way to much and not reading the lane well so,i adjusted the cover by using a new 4000 abralon pad on 4 sides for 10 sec. each to knock the polish off and wow this ball is a little cleaner up front than oob but starts to read the mids and backends and carry was awesome i shot 235,299,230 for a 764 set in league this past monday

Mechanic,

Glad you got the Breakdown to work.

May I make a suggestion concerning the use of Valentino's Resurrection?
When applied by hand, it takes the surface to the 1600 - 1800 grit range. (So, often it's best applied over a 750 - 1000 grit base.)

If you want less surface (higher grit level, finer surface), apply it with a spinner. In this manner it's similar to Brunswick's Rough Buff, now called Royal Compound, and Storm's Step #2, BUT, Resurrection is much less abrasive that those two. If you keep pressing and spinning the ball will easily getup to the 2500 - 3500 grit range; if you keep on pressing harder, it will eventually create a shine, but you don't need to do that since Snake Oil does that so well.

In your case, in this situation, you might have been better off continuing to use Resurrection and not jump to Snake Oil.

Hopefully this is some added ammunition, next time you're in a similar situation.
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Re: polish on a breakdown
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2015, 11:51:17 AM »
awesome thanks for the info charlest and also woukd it be best if down the road to resurface the ball just use the ressurection and use,no underlying grit ?  and when using snake oil just use resurrection by hand and then polishing or try to use more agrresive underlying grit before polishing . thanks in advance

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Re: polish on a breakdown
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2015, 01:52:10 PM »
awesome thanks for the info charlest and also would it be best if down the road to resurface the ball just use the resurrection and use,no underlying grit ?  and when using snake oil just use resurrection by hand and then polishing or try to use more aggresive underlying grit before polishing . thanks in advance

Resurfacing, to my mind, implies resetting the entire grit level of the thrown ball. So, no, Personally I wouldn't use Resurrection to resurface a ball, but I would use it to refresh the coverstock.
(Please keep in mind that once you start using Resurrection on the spinner, it takes the ball into uncharted territory, in a manner of speaking, because the results depend on several human factors: pressure, time, amount of compound. One needs to get used to how much of each is used in order to get consistent results, based both on eye and use of the ball.)

No one can stop you from using Resurrection as the resurfacing agent; it can work for you, as long as you're consistent with its use, but the main problem is what is the condition of the ball after xxx amount of  use, when you start the resurface process? That is usually an unknown. That's why I recommend using an abrasive pad or pads of known grit levels to put a base on the ball. Reducing the number of variables is good start for being consistent and having a consistent result.

As for Snake oil, It can be applied over any surface from a rough one, like 500 grit to a very smooth one, like 4000 grit. One of Kevin's (Valentino's main guy) recommendations is to use SO over a hand base of Resurrection. By hand, Resurrection puts an approximately 1600 grit FEPA (800 grit CAMI - the old sandpaper grit grading standard FEPA is the new one, used by virtually every abrasive manufacturer in the world these days.). I often use hand applied Resurrection under Snake Oil or a 1500 or a 2000 abrasive pad base under SNake Oil.
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