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Wildcard

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cobra, moro, and brunswick questions
« on: December 02, 2008, 02:15:18 PM »
I live overseas and the pro-shops here don't stock these brands of wrist supports, so I'd like to ask a few questions before ordering on-line.

First, the cobra eagle and eagle 3 - what's the difference between the two?  Also, are the eagle and eagle 3 adjustable in terms of amount of wrist cup?

Second, the moro, both pro release and pro release extended. Again, what's the difference?  And for the extended, how far does the finger support section extend? I mean, would it extend past the tips of the fingers, to about the first joint from the tips, etc?  This might be the difference between the PR and PR Extended.  Also, can you adjust the amount of cup without taking it off?

Third, the Brunswick PowerKoil.  Same question as for the Moro Extended - how much of the hand does the finger support portion cover?  

All of these, you'll notice, are models that extend for all fingers, not just the index finger.  I have a Robby Revs 3 but don't like the feel - when I increase the amount of cup, my wrist turns too quickly, or my thumb doesn't exit very cleanly.  I also have a device made by a Korean manufacturer that extends for all fingers, and though I like it it's starting to get old.

For a little bit of fun extra information, they do have Robby versions here, but they all cost about US$100, and the most popular brand is a Japanese one but the device costs close to US$200. So I'm kind of interested in ordering online from the US!

Thanks in advance for your help!
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mikess41

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Re: cobra, moro, and brunswick questions
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2008, 11:34:12 PM »
hi, i have used the eagle3 and the moro pro-release so i can help you a little with that. First, the difference between the eagle and the eagle3 is that the eagle3 is adjustable but the eagle is not. with the eagle3 you can adjust the cup without taking it off.

Second, the only difference between the pro-release and the pro-release extended is the extension, i used the non-extended version and i always felt my fingers would bend a lot because the lack of finger support. Unfortunately i've never used the extended version, so i don't know how much finger support it gives. i have seen the extended version in use because one person in my leagues use it, it does seem to extend a lot but i don't know if it extends past the fingers, I think it extends to the first joint. As i remember you cannot adjust the amount of cup without taking off the pro-release wrist support.

About the powerkoil i cannot say much, I've never used it, I've seen it in use but i cannot remember how much it extends, sorry.

well, hope that helps in something


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Re: cobra, moro, and brunswick questions
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2008, 10:30:52 PM »
Mike, thanks for the response!  That's kind of what I was wondering about the Eagle and Eagle 3.  Thanks also for the info on the Moro.  I know this is just a matter of preference, but since you've used both, which did (or do) you feel more comfortable using?  Heck, I might just end up getting both and seeing what happens since the cost of ordering both online will still be less than buying one from our pro-shop here!

Anybody want to comment about the Brunswick PowerKoil?
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ucumin2

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Re: cobra, moro, and brunswick questions
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2008, 11:46:21 PM »
I use powerkoil myself and I love it. Brace covers mostly whole hand. Basically like robby rev 2. But cupping is a lot better. If you want a good brace with a lot of finger support I would say powerkoil is way 2 go

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Re: cobra, moro, and brunswick questions
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2008, 10:51:14 PM »
Thanks to both of you guys for the responses.  I have a little more info now to make a decision.  I appreciate your time.  Thanks again!
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mikess41

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Re: cobra, moro, and brunswick questions
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2008, 06:32:52 PM »
I always liked the cobra3 because of the finger support, it gave me a lot of revs on the ball, unfortunately it seems to be lower quality, I had a couple of those supports and the straps kept tearing off, they're made of a very thin plastic-like material. Plus with the cobra3 I had a hard time keeping it in place and keeping the straps tight enough so that it won't move, but loose enough so that it won't be painful.

With the moro pro-release on the other hand, it seems to be very well made, the straps are thick nylon, very strong, the top is metal and in the bottom there is a hard plastic piece that helped to keep it in place, but without the finger support i couldn't create the same release i had with the cobra3. Maybe the pro-release extended version could fix this but i'm not sure.

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Re: cobra, moro, and brunswick questions
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2008, 07:45:27 PM »
I have the Moro (non extended version) and also the blue Powerkoil. I can make ALL adjustments with both without taken them off.

The Moro is made out of metal and is heavier than the Powerkoil or the Robbys Rev's which are made out of aluminum.

The Powerkoil is made almost the same way as the Robbys Revs. The Moro design is slightly different.

The Cobra and Eagle are old school and I just don't see many people using them anymore.
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Re: cobra, moro, and brunswick questions
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2008, 04:20:53 AM »
Thanks everybody - now, one more question!  This time about sizes.

The Moro comes in two sizes.  At bowler's paradise, it's "regular" and "small" while Buddies Pro Shop lists the two as "small/medium" and "medium/large".  

The Brunswick PowerKoil comes in small, medium, large, and XL.

I don't have big hands, but not tiny either, so for the PowerKoil I assume the medium would be about right, figuring the small might be for ladies?

For the Moro, I'm not sure which would be the safer alternative, though I figure maybe the small/medium might be better.  That's the one I'm more confused about.

I know it'd be better if I could tell you my span, but that's back at the bowling alley.  Anyway, can anybody shed some light on the sizing issue?
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ucumin2

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Re: cobra, moro, and brunswick questions
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2008, 04:30:23 PM »
Really dont have to worry about hand size its more wrist size with braces  If you contact any of the company they should have a way of measureing for perfect fit


quote:
Thanks everybody - now, one more question!  This time about sizes.

The Moro comes in two sizes.  At bowler's paradise, it's "regular" and "small" while Buddies Pro Shop lists the two as "small/medium" and "medium/large".  

The Brunswick PowerKoil comes in small, medium, large, and XL.

I don't have big hands, but not tiny either, so for the PowerKoil I assume the medium would be about right, figuring the small might be for ladies?

For the Moro, I'm not sure which would be the safer alternative, though I figure maybe the small/medium might be better.  That's the one I'm more confused about.

I know it'd be better if I could tell you my span, but that's back at the bowling alley.  Anyway, can anybody shed some light on the sizing issue?
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Hogsharley

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Re: cobra, moro, and brunswick questions
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2008, 05:04:53 PM »
http://www.bowlingball.com/info/wrist_support.html

This may help^^

If you're a normal size man with normal size hands I would go with a large size. The small and mediums are more for women and children, IMO.
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Re: cobra, moro, and brunswick questions
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2008, 10:39:09 PM »
Thanks to both UCU and Hog.  Hadn't thought it about being more about wrist / forearm size, and the link was very useful.  Thanks again!
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Re: cobra, moro, and brunswick questions
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2008, 11:49:13 AM »
If you are looking to try a cobra, then the storm x-tra hook might be a viable option for you. I use one and find it very comfortable. It has the same extended index finger the cobra has, but is a much softer material. I used a cobra many years ago (when they first came out) and I like this better. just a thought..
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Re: cobra, moro, and brunswick questions
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2008, 09:14:09 AM »
I used the Moro ("small" version) for moer than a year, and what I liked very much about it (and made me chose this specific piece) was its rather slender design and the option to adjust not only the wrist, but also th tilt. I have rather slender fingers, so the broader support types were no option for me, too clumsy and too big for my needs.

Anyway, I only used the palm strip fior a few weeks and left it away after some time, so that I'd have a free hand and just the backing support in the downswing phase, where my wrist used to break back and made me top the ball. Was also a good way to build wrist strength - after leaving the Moro away, I never had much wrist trouble. I highly recommend it - it is an old design, but highly effective! And also pretty sturdy.

IMHO, the extended version is only necessary if you have really weak fingers that tend to bend a lot (e. g. after an injury), but in this case you should IMHO also consider a lighter ball, to prevent imminent danger thorugh excessive stress. The extension should not tough the ball, or allow a free finger tip insertion.
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