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Having problems w/ABS- Need Help!
« on: February 21, 2005, 05:57:33 PM »
I was wondering if anyone has experienced something similar to the problem I am having.

I just purchased a new pair of ABS Tour Ultras and used them for the first time last week during league.  They worked fine.  I took them down to the same center today and threw 6 games of practice.  At the beginning of the 4th game, I noticed a gummy substance building up on the heels.  In experimenting with the shoes, I have already tried all of the heels and most of the soles in different combination.

Upon inspection, ALL of the heels have this gummy substance built up on the bottom, and after sticking so badly I dumped myself on the lane, I switched to the most slippery combination of sole and heel to see if I would stick again.  Sure enough, I didn't slide one millimeter and ended up on the lane again.  It was really embarrassing.  I got one of the employees to come clean the approach after I noticed some black buildup on the approach in my slide area, and it surely came from the heels I was wearing.  A careful approach revealed that I STILL couldn't slide, and my #4 sole looks like it is 20 years old already.  It started out white, and now is mostly black, like the substance my heels were leaving on the approach.

This is extremely frustrating considering the money I spent on these shoes.  I am afraid there is no fix for this.  Has anyone had a similar problem?  How did you resolve the situation?  I really think these shoes will be great if I can solve the problem.  I will probably have to replace the #4 sole for sure, but I also don't know if the heels are salvageable.  How can I keep this gummy substance from building up on my heels and therefore the approach?  Would love to get some input from anyone with experience in this area.

 

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Re: Having problems w/ABS- Need Help!
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2005, 02:01:16 AM »
Sounds to me like you are coming down on the heel instead the slide.
I have never had any trouble with mine, I slide to far much of the time.

What brand were you using before?
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Re: Having problems w/ABS- Need Help!
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2005, 02:12:54 AM »
I just had a cheap pair of Dexters, not sure what model.  I actually went back to those to finish the last couple of games.

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Re: Having problems w/ABS- Need Help!
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2005, 02:22:38 AM »
I suspect you mean a pair of the tennis shoe style that have a flat sole.
If this is the case it is highly probable that you are in fact coming down on the heel due to the differnce in sole design, 1 with a raised heel and one without.

Have someone watch you it will be easy for them to see if your are planting on the heel instead of the slide.
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Re: Having problems w/ABS- Need Help!
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2005, 02:29:55 AM »
I have no doubt that I put plenty of pressure on the heel to brake my slide, but that is my natural approach and I really don't know if that is a fixable problem.  I certainly won't change my bowling style over a pair of shoes, even if I am out the money.  Any suggestions on how to clean the heels or keep them from gumming up?  There has to be something I can do!

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Re: Having problems w/ABS- Need Help!
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2005, 02:56:52 AM »
I don't know anything other than cleaning the heel frequently during play.

You may want to try the "adjust-a-heel" kit
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Re: Having problems w/ABS- Need Help!
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2005, 03:01:48 AM »
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I certainly won't change my bowling style over a pair of shoes, even if I am out the money.


I wouldn't change over a pair of shoes either.
On the other hand there are benefits to a proper slide more leverage and more consistant release timing/accuracy.
I am by no means trying to tell you to change anything but you should never rule a change out.
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Re: Having problems w/ABS- Need Help!
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2005, 11:18:40 AM »
A-Game, how did you go about cleaning the heel between frames?  I thought about taking a wire brush to my heels, but am afraid that would change the intended braking capabilities.  Would a household cleaner like Windex or something like that work, or would that be a bad idea also?

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Re: Having problems w/ABS- Need Help!
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2005, 07:26:56 PM »
I can't be entirely sure that the problem is the shoes and not the house, but I have never had a problem with my old shoes in the same house.  Furthermore, the employee who cleaned the approach was befuddled by the fact that she owns the same shoes and hasn't had any problems of this nature.

There was a visible layer of black gummy substance in the slide area, which was not there when I started bowling, and which was removed (at least from visibility) with a thorough cleaning.  I was the only person on my lane, so I have to assume the substance came from the shoes.

As a sidenote, when I was practicing a guy from my league was there and said he had had the same problem with his ABS shoes, and that he just gave up and went back to his old pair.  I however, do not want to give up until I find some sort of solution, because I still believe these shoes can be the great product everyone says they are.

The conclusion I draw from all of this is that the pressure my natural approach puts on the heel when I slide definitely creates quite a bit of friction, and therefore may be scuffing small amounts of the heel off and spreading it across the rest of the heel.  This, combined with any possible dirt or dust on the approach would cause it to turn black and dirty, and since I plant in the same place on every throw, it would deposit small amounts at a time on the approach.  Then the real problem becomes the transfer of this stuff from approach to heel and back to the approach every time I throw a ball.  My ruined #4 sole is evidence of this, considering it turned black in under 7 games of play!  It was just wiping up all the crap on the approach until it couldn't wipe up any more and started sticking.

Given that my natural style slides more on the heel than on the sole (apparently), what are my options?  I have thought about the adjust a heel tool; it actually looks cool!  In fact, the adjustable part of the heel is exactly where the black stuff is on my heels.  However, if anyone has any suggestions on how to specifically clean my existing heels, I would sure appreciate it!

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Re: Having problems w/ABS- Need Help!
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2005, 03:41:45 PM »
Well I decided to try some 409 on the rubber heels and use my wire brush on the soles.  The way I see it, if I destroyed anything by doing this at least I won't have to replace the entire pair of shoes, just the interchangeable parts.

The heels look pretty clean now, and there isn't much sign of black stuff on the soles, except the #4 is still not white like it was when I got it, but does significantly look better.  I won't know if this will solve the problem until I try sliding on them tonight at league; I'll post again later to update.

By the way, we have a 2 game lead heading into tonight's position round; this is the 4th time in the last 2 years my team has gotten to the position round with a chance to wrap it up, and we have failed each time previously.  Here's predicting that the other team runs into a BUZZSAW tonight!

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Re: Having problems w/ABS- Need Help!
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2005, 06:35:33 PM »
I also get a black buildup on the heels of my abs' saw, so you are not alone. It is also on my flat light grey heel that I get a buildup. I find that actually, the buildup I get makes me slide too far than I like, because it is dry most of the time, not sticky.

The other problem I have had is that after only 6 months, all my soles are already worn to the point where I can't use them without sliding way too much, and my radial heel is also already worn down. It is extremely frustrating paying this much for shoes and having this happen, as I don't like replacing soles every 3 months and washing heels after every set.
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Re: Having problems w/ABS- Need Help!
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2005, 07:55:50 PM »
you have to try to LEAN into your slide. This will use the fronts to slide, and taking the most of the pressure, and leaving the backs just as a brake, and it wont get that gummy substance on it. THats just a guess though.

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Re: Having problems w/ABS- Need Help!
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2005, 12:50:55 AM »
A-Game, thanks for the suggestion.  Here's an update; I used the #3 sole with the radial heel tonight for league and didn't have any problems other than the natural adjustment to different-feeling shoes.  After about 5 frames I was in a comfort zone.

I did start to get a little buildup on the heels again tonight, but I don't think 3 games is enough to cause me the problems I had in practice, which started around the 4th game, and I only was bowling on 1 lane, not a pair.  I did notice the other guys sticking a little more than usual though, so I wonder if there was still a small amount of buildup on the approaches.  However, no one complained about it so chalk it up to coincidence. I think if I just clean my heels regularly after each 3 game session, everything should be ok, especially if I am bowling on a pair and not just one lane.

Also, we needed to split 4 points tonight (3 games, 1 total pins) to win the quarter, and we got skunked by 100+ pins in the first game.  It was looking like another choke, but we came back to win the next 2 games by under 20 pins each to take the quarter!  Me= 628.  Nothing special, but I am proud of it because one of the lanes had been destroyed by open play earlier in the day, and although we were bowling on fresh oil, the left lane had horrible carry down compared to flying backends on the right lane.  I had to throw 2 different balls on two different lines all night!  U Solid on left lane with a more straight line, U Pearl on the right lane with a little swing.  Crazy difference in the two lanes, but we pulled it off!  How did your night turn out, Mike?

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Re: Having problems w/ABS- Need Help!
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2005, 12:57:33 AM »
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you have to try to LEAN into your slide. This will use the fronts to slide, and taking the most of the pressure, and leaving the backs just as a brake, and it wont get that gummy substance on it. THats just a guess though.

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And this might be the reason all my soles wore out so fast? I slide on an even plane, with a little more pressure on the toe, but not enough that abs' soles should have worn out as fast as it did for me.
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Re: Having problems w/ABS- Need Help!
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2005, 07:02:26 AM »
Some comments on what I have read -

The heels on the ABS are higher than Dexters but quite a bit lower than Lind's classics.  There is always going to be a buildup on the front of the heel .... it's just dirt and grime .... some players (like me) need that dirt to be able to slide, the heel has to be "broken in" a bit for me to slide.

Stanski, you say that the soles are worn out, are they truly worn out (no nap left) or are they just dirty?  I use a stiff wire brush quite a bit on the ABS buckskin sole, and all that brushing does lead to the sole having to be replaced after about one season.  But if you have never scrubbed that sole, it really shouldn't wear out for many seasons.  If the sole is never cleaned or brushed, you will start to slide more and more as it gets dusty and dirty.

Saw Freak, I know literally hundreds of players with ABS and almost all are happy, if you still have problems you might want to contact Dynothane directly and see if they have any suggestions for you.  Unlike some of the monster sized companies, they are usually very willing to help you out if you contact them.  I agree that after all the $$$ you spent on the shoes they should work for you.