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dR3w

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Brute and Mastermind Intellect
« on: August 25, 2014, 09:08:36 AM »
These two just showed up on the PBA website.  No specs given.

 

kidlost2000

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Re: Brute and Mastermind Intellect
« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2014, 12:04:16 PM »
I love when people mention the tour. Because that actually means something to anyone. Ive not thrown storm or rg in years but have no need to. The stuff looks and rolls good but I have had better. Its all close with the exception of a few brands that seem to struggle a little here lately.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Brute and Mastermind Intellect
« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2014, 11:58:30 PM »
In regards to the tour, it is the highest level of professionalism in our sport. So the most dominant company on said tour must be doing something right. You can have the best bow shooter in the world, but if his arrows are warped, it won't matter how good of a shot he is. So why not use the best arrows available?

kidlost2000

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Re: Brute and Mastermind Intellect
« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2014, 12:18:53 AM »
I haven't watched the pba tour in some time because it's boring. You are saying its the best equipment because it has the most bowlers winning im guessing?

How many staff players on the pba national tour does storm/rg have? How does that compare to other manufactures?

When I look at the 2014 money winners I don't see anything that screams Storm/Rg is anything more or less. Since 99% of the bowling community isn't on tour id say its very irrelevant. None of us get ball reps and a endless supply of equipment like the tour player either. Yet somehow we still go bowl.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Brute and Mastermind Intellect
« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2014, 08:22:21 AM »
Perception has a lot to do with marketing. These types of conversations about which company is berter or not is cyclical. Back 35 years ago, everyone was filling their double bags with Ebonite Gyro series equipment, Brunswick LT-48s, and the Columbia dot series. Then everyone had Hammer, AMF Angles and Columbia 300 (any of the dots series) 30 years ago. Twenty-five years ago, everyone had Hammer equipment or Brunswick Rhino equipment with a smattering of Columbia. Twenty years ago, it was Track equipment and Brunswick Zone equipment . . . Now it's Storm this, Roto Grip that, sprinkled in with Motiv else . . . . you get my drift?

That said, Phil Cardinale mentioned it's all about getting bowlers to believe they've got to get the latest and greatest. That's why stuff's being introduced to the marketplace twice, even three times a year. If you find something that's good, trust me, you can still use it decades later. Find something that works for you and do your best avoiding the hype.







 
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Re: Brute and Mastermind Intellect
« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2014, 07:03:48 PM »
As already mentioned.

Seriously you cannot tell me this logo wasn't intentional?

…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Brute and Mastermind Intellect
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2014, 02:32:19 PM »
The problem is that there really is no break through technology out there is terms of either shell or core.  It has been 20 years since there has been a major technological shift in balls or lane surfaces.  That is historically unprecedented. 

Example, somebody mentioned that the low rg, low diff core is simply resurrecting what Storm did with the IQ two years ago.  Very true.  However that was also resurrecting what Storm itself did in 2002 with a low reg low diff core wrapped in an accutread shell.   

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Re: Brute and Mastermind Intellect
« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2014, 03:43:30 PM »
As already mentioned.

Seriously you cannot tell me this logo wasn't intentional?

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Re: Brute and Mastermind Intellect
« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2014, 05:23:00 PM »
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That is historically unprecedented. 

Check to see how long rubber balls ruled before plastic ones came out.  --  JohnP

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Re: Brute and Mastermind Intellect
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2014, 01:20:02 PM »
You are right about how long rubber balls ruled, but there was a quantum shift from shellac to lacquer lane finish in the late 40's.  Polyester balls came in about 1960, but didn't gain mass popularity until urethane lane finish started to replace lacquer in 1970.  Then urethane balls took over in 1981, followed by resin enhanced urethane in 1992.  Major changes in lane surfaces have been just as technologically revolutionary as major changes in ball construction. 

Therefore if you go back 70 years, the relative status quo of the last 20 years is lengthy. 

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Re: Brute and Mastermind Intellect
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2014, 04:49:54 PM »
True, I ignored the lane finish factor and I'm not sure how long the rubber ball/shellac finish combo ruled.  I've heard from good sources that the switch from lacquer to urethane finish was driven by insurance companies because of the increased fire safety during finishing the lanes.  I've seen the result of a bowling alley fire and it wasn't pretty.  --  JohnP

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Re: Brute and Mastermind Intellect
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2014, 12:11:00 PM »
Switch from lacquer was partly insurance driven, as lacquer was what they called a red label ( highly flammable ) product.  However less maintenance was also a factor.  Lacquer wore off quickly, and almost everyone dragged a new coat at least once during mid season.  Urethanes, some of which were an epoxy base, were much more durable.  They also dramatically changed the friction factor compared to lacquer when oiled.  It was with the transition to urethane that the carry down phenomenum first appeared.  Oil seemed to skitter around like mercury on the hard surface, rather than track like it did on lacquer.  Polyester balls, which had been around for 10 years, suddenly were found to work much better than hard rubber on the urethane finishes.  In a way it was the transition to the urethane finish that started the revolution in ball technology.   

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Re: Brute and Mastermind Intellect
« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2014, 01:48:24 PM »
Hence, avabob, the ol' term track house from the lacquer era and early urethane finish era.
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Re: Brute and Mastermind Intellect
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2014, 06:03:03 PM »
Yep.  They all turned into a track shot.  You could really score on lacquer even if they didn't wall them up ( usually off the corner if they did ).  Track broke down real nicely with no big jumps required.  Not uncommon to get into 4th arrow, but it usually only happened in a long format tournament. 

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Re: Brute and Mastermind Intellect
« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2014, 06:19:50 PM »
Wasn't this post about the mastermind intellect and brute?

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Re: Brute and Mastermind Intellect
« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2014, 06:53:15 PM »
As already mentioned.

Seriously you cannot tell me this logo wasn't intentional?



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