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BeerLeague

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What happened to Brunswick gear?
« on: February 27, 2017, 07:49:53 AM »
I am a little peeved this morning  >:(, so I apologize in advance for the rant.

I started using Brunswick stuff when the Inferno line of stuff came out.  That entire series of balls, with a few exceptions, was awesome.  The Zone line, in particular the Vapor Zone was just as great.The BVP Rampage was also a winner for me.

Due to the success I had with that gear, I continued to drill Brunswick stuff, (Furys, C-Systems, Snake series, Nexus, ect) and out of all that, I got 3 real good ones.  The Anaconda was good (which turned out to be an Absolute Inferno in disguise), the Fury pearl and the black and red Nexus .... everything else did the same thing, roll and puke. 

I got away from Brunswick for a while and started using another manufacturer with great success that continues to this day.  On a whim I drilled my first Brunswick in 4 or so years ... the new green Quantum. 

All I have to say is its the last Brunswick ball I will EVER drill.  It does the same thing, roll and puke.  Move in and it just keeps going, move out and it rolls at your feet and crosses over.

Does anyone else share my frustration with their gear? I used to love it but it just sucks now.



 

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Re: What happened to Brunswick gear?
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2017, 11:24:51 AM »
Every ball has its best use scenario. The green quantum is meant to be an early rolling piece. If you want flippy you should choose the correct ball. I would recommend a red quantum, true nirvana, melee jab, vandal destroy, Xeno pearl, grudge pearl. Any of those would be great choices. If you drilled up a big strong solid from any company with that layout I wouldn't expect much different.

Not looking for flip ... wanted smooth, continuous motion.  Right now I have roll/puke.

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Re: What happened to Brunswick gear?
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2017, 11:27:14 AM »
Either you're bowling with it on to much friction or you need to alter the surface some. Try some 2 or 3k that should help

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Re: What happened to Brunswick gear?
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2017, 01:00:23 PM »
I agree with bringing the surface up, seems like you're seeing too much friction for it. With the layout being what it is, it's going to want to start sooner and be less at the end of the pattern. It would be better suited for higher volume shorter patterns when you can play further out towards the gutter. I have personally found the Quantums to be tamer with lower pin drillings (60+ VAL angles) where you can stay right and kind of jam it into the pocket. I typically suggest 60x4.5x30 on Quantums for most people.

I'm able to open my angles quite a bit with my Forest drilled like I mentioned.
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Re: What happened to Brunswick gear?
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2017, 05:41:58 PM »
I bought a fire quantum and like it the 1st 3 games and the next 3 games I saw over/under. Took a 3000 pad and hit by hand and it is an awesome ball for me. I drill everything with the pin above fingers grip center and cg(i no cg nomadda lol) 3/4" which puts the pin 5-1/2" from my axis. I may have drilled it too weak. I will drill another 4-1/2" pin

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Re: What happened to Brunswick gear?
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2017, 06:20:55 PM »
My sweet spot is usually 5-5.5 but with the higher RG it's ok to go a little stronger overall.
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Re: What happened to Brunswick gear?
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2017, 07:27:51 AM »
BeerLeague,

Curious as to the layout chosen in the Forest Quantum?

Sure .. 45x4x65 with P3 hole.

it puts the pin under my fingers, directly under the bridge.

Are you a low rev player or speed dominant player?

That combination of layout and weight hole location is going to give the reaction you are describing for most bowlers on most house shots.

You have a very condition specific ball at this point. Very heavy oil.
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Re: What happened to Brunswick gear?
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2017, 09:13:24 AM »
BeerLeague,

Curious as to the layout chosen in the Forest Quantum?

Sure .. 45x4x65 with P3 hole.

it puts the pin under my fingers, directly under the bridge.

Are you a low rev player or speed dominant player?

That combination of layout and weight hole location is going to give the reaction you are describing for most bowlers on most house shots.

You have a very condition specific ball at this point. Very heavy oil.

My Red Legend Solid is drilled very very similar to that and I can second those statements.
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Re: What happened to Brunswick gear?
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2017, 09:23:25 AM »
BeerLeague,

Curious as to the layout chosen in the Forest Quantum?

Sure .. 45x4x65 with P3 hole.

it puts the pin under my fingers, directly under the bridge.

Are you a low rev player or speed dominant player?

That combination of layout and weight hole location is going to give the reaction you are describing for most bowlers on most house shots.

You have a very condition specific ball at this point. Very heavy oil.

My confusion/dissatisfaction comes from the fact that I have drilled other symmetric solid balls the same way and never had this problem.  I have one currently in my bag that is quite strong.  I am reluctant to say what it is because I don't want to seem like I am pushing another brand but several of their symmetric solids have run circles around the Quantum.
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Re: What happened to Brunswick gear?
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2017, 10:22:31 AM »
The only thing I can add is that Brunswick stuff to me DID change when the move was made to Mexico. However, that has been more than a decade ago and the stuff that has come out lately from Big B, DV8, and Radical has been very consistent and pretty good quality.

What I can tell you from years of drilling is that certain people match with certain brands better than other brands. I myself matched so well with AMF stuff when Columbia was pouring for AMF it was unreal. I had every iteration of the original Nighthawk series, Angle Evolution, etc. I also matched very well with Track stuff and eventually moved over to Track during the Rule days. I also tossed the Classic Rock very well.

However, Storm...not at all. I hated the reaction I got, etc. Just wasn't for me. Same drills, different drills, same surfaces, different surfaces, didn't matter.

The materials in the covers and the supplier can have a large effect on the bowler. I have always been speed dominant and thus, stuff that is aggressive in the shell and has a tendency to roll early has always been my friend. Take the same drill and slap it on any Storm ball that everyone else loves and the ball pukes for me. Storm's stuff (for me) has a tendency to lope and when it does turn, it is the hockey stick reaction that just does not do well for me. I hate it.

Although I am always tempted by the newest and greatest, I also know what brands I have to stay away from because the newest and greatest will be a turd in my bag. Sometimes, as much as we hate to admit it, we just do not match up well and have to move on and chalk the loss up to experience no matter how much you want something to work.

Been there, done that. Too many times.

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Re: What happened to Brunswick gear?
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2017, 10:29:25 AM »
I'm sorry that the OP had a bad experience with the green Quantum, but I think that the adage that Brunswick balls are early and smooth is outdated. Yes, maybe that was true in the Proactive Zone days, but their current lines have all of the shot shapes that Storm, Roto, Ebonite, Hammer, and everyone else has.

I used Brunswick and DV8 exclusively for a couple of years, and most of the balls were on par with balls from the aforementioned companies. The only issue I had toward the end was a problem with cracking, which was surprising because my gear is never exposed to temperature variance or excessive moisture. Still, I've had balls crack from just about every manufacturer I've tried, so that was nothing exclusive to Brunswick.

Again, I'm sorry the original guy didn't like what he got, but most of the Brunswick balls I've drilled in the last two years have been very, very good.

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Re: What happened to Brunswick gear?
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2017, 10:50:15 AM »
Phil has mentioned in one of his live videos that what separates Radical from Brunswick is their ideals in motion. Brunswick equipment by nature is more midlane reading smoother equipment. Radical takes a more "Storm" approach to motion for lack of a better way of comparing. The OP would have probably had better success with a ball and drilling more conducive to the motion he's wanting to see. It happens though as I did the same thing with a Haywire.
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Re: What happened to Brunswick gear?
« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2017, 01:23:02 PM »
BeerLeague,

Curious as to the layout chosen in the Forest Quantum?

Sure .. 45x4x65 with P3 hole.

it puts the pin under my fingers, directly under the bridge.

Are you a low rev player or speed dominant player?

That combination of layout and weight hole location is going to give the reaction you are describing for most bowlers on most house shots.

You have a very condition specific ball at this point. Very heavy oil.

My confusion/dissatisfaction comes from the fact that I have drilled other symmetric solid balls the same way and never had this problem.  I have one currently in my bag that is quite strong.  I am reluctant to say what it is because I don't want to seem like I am pushing another brand but several of their symmetric solids have run circles around the Quantum.


No one should accuse you of bashing or promoting another brand.

Having that layout on other solid symmetric bowling balls and getting a good reaction doesn't make the layout a good one. It also makes it sound like all solid symmetric bowling balls should be similar or the same.

The layout mentioned has a 4" pin to pap. Large flare and instability in the core. More flare means the ball will slow down faster. Shorter skid phase along with hooking earlier on the lane. More flare will have the ball responding to friction slower down lane as well. Adding a P3 hole increases the above mentioned points even more. More flare, even shorter skid, even slower response to friction. Looking at the larger VAL angle also will give the ball a slower response to friction. Now you have a ball that is trying to rev up and hook early and when it finally sees friction down lane with the box surface, wider flare rings, and large VAL angle isn't going to do much. Getting left and covering more boards helps with the up front part of the lane but the ball is still drilled to not jump when it sees friction down lane. Which you mentioned as the problems in the reaction you are seeing.

Sure if you had a solid ball with a harder surface it may work much better. (Like a black Radical Ridiculous or any number of bowling balls out there)

For the Quantum you have now it will require heavy oil or a lot of polish would be the other option that may work.
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Re: What happened to Brunswick gear?
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2017, 09:42:56 AM »
I tried the ball last nite with 4000 finish ..... MUCH BETTER.

Smooth and strong .. just like I wanted.

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Re: What happened to Brunswick gear?
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2017, 10:10:21 AM »
probably should be noted that the new Quantum's have a higher Rg than most of the solid bowling balls out there. Just putting your normal Solid drilling pattern on the ball may not be the best choice. I haven't tried it yet think I'm going to pick up a fire but two teammates are killing it with the green