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JohnN

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Proper way to sand with a spinner
« on: October 22, 2017, 09:10:00 AM »
Just want to confirm the proper way to sand a ball using a spinner. I usually start finger and thumb holes facing up, turn 180 down, turn 90 left and 180 right . Use light to medium pressure . Have tried dry and wet. My sanded balls just don't seem to be moving like I think they should. Too much pressure ? Have tried 500-1500 grits . All the balls I use are solids and high end. I clean and de-oil regularly. Just for an experiment I sanded a Ruckus Feud 1000 and polished it with factory finish polish and it hooks more than my sanded stuff. Been struggling all year and shot 696 with it the other night. :-\

 

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Re: Proper way to sand with a spinner
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2017, 09:18:40 AM »
Seeing that the ball you polished worked, says you most likely have been using too much surface on your balls for the conditions your on.

Instead of just using 500-1500 grits try some 2000, 3000, 4000 grits also and add polish if needed.
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Re: Proper way to sand with a spinner
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2017, 09:21:23 AM »
+1 ^^

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Re: Proper way to sand with a spinner
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2017, 10:13:49 AM »

Rarely do I ever use more than light pressure when sanding.  Our spinner also has a water supply, which helps a ton.  Water acts as a "lubricant" and can help you fine tune reaction, along with speed and directional changes. 

As you practice you will find what works best for you.  Good luck.


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Re: Proper way to sand with a spinner
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2017, 11:23:44 AM »
>Water acts as a "lubricant" and can help you fine tune reaction

Also saves on wear on your pads.  I always spray just a little bit on the ball (and on any dry pad), enough so its not dry sanding but not so much it start splattering.  I would also recommend using 5+ parts of water to 1 part simple green mixture to spray on as it will also help clean but since Simple Green can't technically be legally diluted with water (but completely legal at full strength, fsck the USBC telling me how to clean my equipment at my home when their rules make no common sense) I can't wink wink (though I guess you could use full strength legally and no film if sanding but wasteful).  Also sometimes when I use a low grit pad I will go ahead and use a dollop of clean and dull instead.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2017, 11:34:34 AM by HackJandy »
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Re: Proper way to sand with a spinner
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2017, 09:41:33 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khUITPlM5-Y
Always thought grit adjustment worked like this. I understand about burnout but never quite understood how going to a higher grit could increase hook. Will give a higher grit a try.

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Re: Proper way to sand with a spinner
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2017, 10:04:28 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khUITPlM5-Y
Always thought grit adjustment worked like this. I understand about burnout but never quite understood how going to a higher grit could increase hook. Will give a higher grit a try.

my understanding is that you're seeing higher hook, is due to the ball storing more energy when it hits the friction so it has more energy to snap back. If you sand the ball to low, it will burn up all its energy in the front of the lane so when it hits the friction there is nothing left in the ball for it to move to the pocket.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2017, 11:08:30 AM by storybook123 »

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Re: Proper way to sand with a spinner
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2017, 10:54:55 AM »
Yes with reactives you are changing where it hooks with surface adjustments (though you can reduce hook if you push the breakpoint far enough down the lane it doesn't have time to hook).  With urethane you are actually reducing the hook going with higher grits.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2017, 11:14:35 AM by HackJandy »
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Re: Proper way to sand with a spinner
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2017, 08:51:29 AM »
One final question, I see a lot of balls will have 2 grit numbers listed. An under and over grit. Usually there is a gap of at least 1 grit # such as 500-2000 or 500-1500 as opposed to 500-800 or 1000-1500 . Any rule on this such as would 500-4000 be counterproductive ? Also if a ball is listed as a single # such as 2000 grit would you use all grits up to that # ? Thanks.

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Re: Proper way to sand with a spinner
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2017, 10:09:53 AM »
Resurfacing equipment represents the most customization you will find in bowling.  In my opinion, even more so than drilling.

To answer your first question, yes, the multiple grit numbers listed usually represent the final two grits used.  Some are small differences like 500-2000, but some have been more dramatic like 500-4000 that was used on the original Virtual Gravity. 

When you see a single grit number, this usually means the final measured grit is that number.  So if it says 4000 grit, then it should be 4000 grit when measured with a scanner.

All said though, it doesn't mean much.  Even in the factories, there are differences ball-to-ball.  Pads age and deteriorate meaning the first ball a pad sees will be different than the last ball.  You can open two boxes with the same ball and they may not read the same surface or even look the same.

So, what this means for you is do what works for you.  After I purchased my spinner, I spent a lot of time experimenting what works for me and what doesn't.  How much pressure, how long per side, which pads to use, how many uses per pad, which polish is best for me, etc....  And you will, or should, do the same.

As a starting point, look at these charts to get an idea of the variations and their effects:

http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/images/5/57/Bowling_grit_chart_v2.pdf

http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/images/0/02/BJI_Surface_Chart.pdf

You will hear how bowler x likes one grit while bowler y likes another.  Doesn't make either one right or wrong, but it also doesn't mean it is guaranteed to work for you either.

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Re: Proper way to sand with a spinner
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2017, 10:34:23 AM »
To expand on what spm said your style (and conditions expected of course) will often dictate what works on what ball.  For example since I am a low rev, low track, speed dominant bowler the only balls I usually polish are my spare balls.  I generally need the ball to read the lane as quickly as possible (tend to avoid lower grit than 2000 on all but urethane or oilers though as do want something for the back end as I need entry angle to carry, plus pretty much only bowl on THS).  Polish however is often a high rev players best friend as they need the ball to get down the lane before making its move to avoid over hook or the ball burning up its energy early and hitting weakly.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2017, 10:42:43 AM by HackJandy »
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