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sneaky PETE

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too much surface = less hook
« on: April 20, 2018, 07:33:12 PM »
i have a kingpin and i put the surface at 360 abralon to see what would happen and it barely hooked at all. so was it too much surface or something else.
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Re: too much surface = less hook
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2018, 07:50:00 PM »
i have a kingpin and i put the surface at 360 abralon to see what would happen and it barely hooked at all. so was it too much surface or something else.

The old adage is that a sanded ball hooks less but earlier and a smooth ball hooks later but stronger.

A coarser sanding makes a ball hook less, but earlier. Because it reads the friction earlier and it smooths out the reaction.

A smoother surfaces hook later and harder. Because it reads the friction later and is retaining more energy so hooks harder when it does.

360 is pretty coarse, if there wasn't a lot of oil. The ball probably blew up in the heads or midlane and just straightened and rolled out.
« Last Edit: April 20, 2018, 07:55:05 PM by Aloarjr810 »
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sneaky PETE

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Re: too much surface = less hook
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2018, 08:40:33 PM »
yeah, i figured it was something like that. so i brought it back up to 1000 abralon
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Re: too much surface = less hook
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2018, 09:52:37 AM »
Surface dictates length...it doesn’t ‘hook’ any more or any less...it reacts sooner on the lane...’hook’ is any deviation from a straight line NOT lateral movement...lateral movement is created by axis rotation
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Re: too much surface = less hook
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2018, 07:05:00 AM »
putting 360 on a ball isn't a good idea. Anything below 500 is more of a pro shop thing to take out nicks and do prestep surfaces. You're changing the time it takes the ball to grip the lane to a number that isn't for the typical House Pattern. It gave up all its energy in the first 30ft and by the time it got to the portion of the lane that everyone wants to see the ball roll out, it had nothing left to give.
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Re: too much surface = less hook
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2018, 12:04:35 PM »
Surface dictates length...it doesn’t ‘hook’ any more or any less...it reacts sooner on the lane...’hook’ is any deviation from a straight line NOT lateral movement...lateral movement is created by axis rotation

+1 for this.

Try the 1000 dull and then put polish over it.
It will get through the heads better and still have some teeth when its gets to the friction.
Very easy to put it back to dull if you want to

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Re: too much surface = less hook
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2018, 02:23:35 PM »
People dont understand what creates hitting power.   It is the release of energy from rev rate combined with axis rotation.  If that energy releases too soon hitting power diminishes.   Even low axis rotation combined with a good rev rate, and the release of energy at the proper time will out carry a larger hook and entry  angle if the energy has burned off too early on the latter

Rev rate creates enegy which is stored by skid, and released as the ball changes direction.   The higher the rev rate the more ball speed is necessary to allow the release of energy at the optimum time.
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Re: too much surface = less hook
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2018, 03:12:28 PM »
Another brain fart by Justrico.  I