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Antec

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Valentino Questions
« on: April 21, 2015, 10:57:53 AM »
     After playing around for a little while with there products, I have had nothing but great results. As of right now most of my gear has some sort of Valentino treatment. Remedy RX is self explanatory, I get that. I just have a few questions I know some of you can answer.

1. Resurrection- I have seen that it is considered a resurfacing paste, however it seems very thin. I am not worried about that since it does what I assume what it is suppose to. According to the Bowlers Grit Comparison Chart Ver.2, it list it as , Finish to 800 grit Sheen. I believe that to be true, but recently remember reading somewhere that the grit value is higher if used on a spinner.

2.Snake Oil- I really like this stuff! I was under the assumption that all polish has some level of abrasive, however on the back of the bottle it says "Fine tune your surface with our gritless formula". But on the Bowlers Grit Chart Ver.2 it list it as to finish 1500-3500. Am I missing something here? I am aware of time and pressure on the spinner will have certain effects, but was wondering about the whole gritless thing.

3. Combo- I have now used Resurrection and then Snake Oil and with good success. With my order a card was sent with it to recommend the combo. Is there a surface grit level recommended to apply before the combo. Should I use this combo as a touch up? Or the end of a resurface after I build up the surface with pads to smooth everything out.

Hopefully I explained my questions properly, thank you in advance for your insight!

 

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Re: Valentino Questions
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2015, 11:47:03 AM »
Charlest (Jeff) is the Valentino's and surface guru. He will answer your questions!

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Re: Valentino Questions
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2015, 11:58:16 AM »
Yes Charlest and Alroarjr810 are the coverstock guru's from everything they post in my opinion, I anticipate their input! But please any and all feedback is greatly appreciated. All info is welcome and helpful. Thank You

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Re: Valentino Questions
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2015, 01:18:54 PM »
     After playing around for a little while with there products, I have had nothing but great results. As of right now most of my gear has some sort of Valentino treatment. Remedy RX is self explanatory, I get that. I just have a few questions I know some of you can answer.

1. Resurrection- I have seen that it is considered a resurfacing paste, however it seems very thin. I am not worried about that since it does what I assume what it is suppose to. According to the Bowlers Grit Comparison Chart Ver.2, it list it as , Finish to 800 grit Sheen. I believe that to be true, but recently remember reading somewhere that the grit value is higher if used on a spinner.

As far as I have learned, Resurrection creates an 800 grit CAMI grade level surface when applied by hand.
(800 grit CAMI = 1600 grit FEPA grade, the grading almost every abrasive uses these days and the one we talk about in general.)
If you apply it with a spinner, the abrasive will break down further and put a finer grit level on the ball. What that grit is can only be determined by one of those laser reader machines. As you press and apply more compound, for longer periods of time, it can get to the point where it will begin to shine.

Between a hand applied Resurrection (~1600  grit level surface) and a Snake Oil produced polish, a spinner applied coat of Resurrection is almost halfway in between the two surfaces, for me. This does take some experimentation to get used to the amounts and the final look desired. Don't expect the perfect result the first time you do it.

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2.Snake Oil- I really like this stuff! I was under the assumption that all polish has some level of abrasive, however on the back of the bottle it says "Fine tune your surface with our gritless formula". But on the Bowlers Grit Chart Ver. 2 it list it as to finish 1500-3500. Am I missing something here? I am aware of time and pressure on the spinner will have certain effects, but was wondering about the whole gritless thing.

Personally I have no idea how any polish or compound manufacturer can put any grit level on any bottle. It can specify the grit level of the abrasive they put in it, but once they do that, it is virtually impossible to say what the final grit level of a ball will be when a human is involved with the process. Heck any machine for that matter. Unless that abrasive is diamonds, our hand pressure via a pad will break the abrasive down into smaller and finer pieces.

Snake Oil can be considered "non-abrasive", compared to most polishes, which are more abrasive. It is a relative rating.

I suspect the person who wrote the Grit Chart just took the numbers off the bottles.

So with any polish, even Snake Oil as you apply more, as you press harder, as you press for longer periods of the time, the abrasive will break down further and further into smaller and finer grit levels. The ball will get shiner and have a higher numeric grit level reading.

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3. Combo- I have now used Resurrection and then Snake Oil and with good success. With my order a card was sent with it to recommend the combo. Is there a surface grit level recommended to apply before the combo. Should I use this combo as a touch up? Or the end of a resurface after I build up the surface with pads to smooth everything out.

Hopefully I explained my questions properly, thank you in advance for your insight!

1. As far as I am concerned, you can apply Snake Oil over almost any grit level from 500 grit to 4000 grit. You can apply as much as you want to take the shine up in steps and increase the length of your ball. As with any compound, you need to practice and experiment to learn which is the best for you. Personally I find it best over 1500 - 2000 grit, although I have used it over 750 and 4000 grit.

2. I find Resurrection can be applied over any surface, but the lower the grit, the more you need to work it. I find it best over a 750 - 1000 grit (FEPA) sanding, but I only do this preparation if the surface of the ball needs a complete re-working. This doesn't happen very often for me, personally. It shouldn't for most people. Balls change quite rapidly these days with almost each use.
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Re: Valentino Questions
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2015, 08:24:00 PM »
Thank you for the detailed response!

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Re: Valentino Questions
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2015, 02:01:35 PM »
Thanks for your help charlest.

Resurrection's sanding beads can take any grit from 320 to 5000+ and finish at the 800 grit sheen. Anything below 320 and the product doesn't have the muscle to take out the sand lines. To achieve the sheen 800 finish we recommend a two sided sanding process with a quarter sized amount of product applied to each side and spun for 25 seconds.

When we first introduced Resurrection is was more of a paste like product, but we encountered too many complaints from customers that the paste was matting on the surface while spinning. So when we submitted to the USBC for approval we decided to reduce a certain polymer, and then increase the amount of cleaning agents and amount of silica beads...thus making a thinner product.

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Re: Valentino Questions
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2015, 02:17:06 PM »
Thanks for your help charlest.

Resurrection's sanding beads can take any grit from 320 to 5000+ and finish at the 800 grit sheen. Anything below 320 and the product doesn't have the muscle to take out the sand lines. To achieve the sheen 800 finish we recommend a two sided sanding process with a quarter sized amount of product applied to each side and spun for 25 seconds.

When we first introduced Resurrection is was more of a paste like product, but we encountered too many complaints from customers that the paste was matting on the surface while spinning. So when we submitted to the USBC for approval we decided to reduce a certain polymer, and then increase the amount of cleaning agents and amount of silica beads...thus making a thinner product.

-Kevin

How much pressure applied for those 25 seconds and what type of applicator as different applicators will give different results. For example, a foam type applicator like one used to polish a car vs a microfiber towel vs the foam side of an Abralon or Siaair Pad, etc. will all give different results.

I was unaware it was changed. I "think" what I have may be the original a I got it when you first introduced it. I haven't however used it for a long time.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2015, 02:20:30 PM by Brickguy221 »
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Re: Valentino Questions
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2015, 02:24:38 PM »
I use a standard slightly damp microfiber towel (never want to use a premium ultra plush for sanding). The amount of pressure will be hard to explain but with medium to lighter pressure...less pressure than I apply for polishing.

On a scale from 1 to 10 (one is no pressure and 10 is able to stop the spinner) I use a 5.

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Re: Valentino Questions
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2015, 02:27:44 PM »
I was unaware it was changed. I "think" what I have may be the original a I got it when you first introduced it. I haven't however used it for a long time.


Changed about 2 years ago, exact same results in terms of finish...but now the product emulsifies oil better and sands quicker with more particles.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2015, 02:29:41 PM by ValentinoBowling »