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Hoselrockets

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Anatomical Drilling Technique
« on: March 04, 2015, 11:02:07 AM »
I saw this term on a FB page and was wondering what exactly it is?  Anyone drill their balls this way or have experience with it?  Wanted insight before I decided to spend the $12.95 that he is asking.  Thanks!!

 

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Re: Anatomical Drilling Technique
« Reply #121 on: March 24, 2015, 10:34:48 PM »
I can also add that my driller has already used this technique for a few of his customers and they all have had good results.  So there has to be something to it. 

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Re: Anatomical Drilling Technique
« Reply #122 on: April 01, 2015, 10:20:56 AM »
I have sent Joe my paypal payment and have received the info.  I will be looking into updating my drilling using this information.  I am wondering if this layout will change my PAP, tilt, rotation, etc?  Will I need to modify my dual angle layouts accordingly?

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Re: Anatomical Drilling Technique
« Reply #123 on: April 01, 2015, 12:20:28 PM »
In the beginning it changed mine radically. My pap was 4 3/4" × 0" after I went with the first layout which was 7/16" left by 0" reverse it made the ball roll over my thumb. Almost rolled over the entire thumb slug. My pap went to 6 x 5/16" up.I have since went to 1/4 - 5/16" left pitch (right hand bowler) and still at no reverse and I'm able to keep the ball from rolling over my thumb. Just remember it'll take a lot of trial and error to get the grip correct for you. I have plugged and redrilled that ball 6 times to get to what I like
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Re: Anatomical Drilling Technique
« Reply #124 on: April 01, 2015, 04:26:05 PM »
In the beginning it changed mine radically. My pap was 4 3/4" × 0" after I went with the first layout which was 7/16" left by 0" reverse it made the ball roll over my thumb. Almost rolled over the entire thumb slug. My pap went to 6 x 5/16" up.I have since went to 1/4 - 5/16" left pitch (right hand bowler) and still at no reverse and I'm able to keep the ball from rolling over my thumb. Just remember it'll take a lot of trial and error to get the grip correct for you. I have plugged and redrilled that ball 6 times to get to what I like

I only had to do 2 drillings and have what I feel is a perfect fit. I followed the drilling instructions EXACTLY as they instruct and the ball was great the first time.  Even though my thumb-finger angle came out to 30*, my fingers weren't exactly on the flat side of grips. I Emailed Joe and he said to reduce the angle to 23-25 degrees, so I re-plugged the fingers plus increased MF lateral pitch from 1/4 to 3/8 and all came out perfect. I've used the ball 4  times since and don't anticipate any more adjustments at this time.

As for my ball track, PAP, tilt, etc. I haven't paid any attention to those things at the moment as I wanted to get the fit perfect first. Will look at those things next.
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Re: Anatomical Drilling Technique
« Reply #125 on: April 01, 2015, 08:02:37 PM »
Tried it, but did some conversion in order to utilize simple, round, grip holes that can later be applied to to oval inserts and oval thumb in a urethane slug.  No bevel on the fingers is just fine, at the moment, but the fresh urethane cover of the ball utilized was too grabby even after bevel until I worked some oil into the coverstock in the thumb hole.

It's a different fit, might be a good fit... but I am waiting until the off season to take the next step to inserts and slugs.  Will go with the standard, T-grip, way of referencing the pitches I found using this technique in the future though... Makes it easier on my driller

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Re: Anatomical Drilling Technique
« Reply #126 on: July 27, 2015, 08:12:01 PM »
Has anyone else experimented with this technique? What are your thoughts?

I am wanting to drill this for a friend and myself. As for the thumbhole, has everyone used the normal thumb hole size or does this layout require a more tight/loose thumbhole?

Thanks for your input and thoughts.

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Re: Anatomical Drilling Technique
« Reply #127 on: July 27, 2015, 08:22:52 PM »
My team mate who owns a pro shop used it for a while but switched back to his former grip.  I don't think he hated it, but didn't see any benefit or improvement with it.

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Re: Anatomical Drilling Technique
« Reply #128 on: July 27, 2015, 11:49:10 PM »
My team mate who owns a pro shop used it for a while but switched back to his former grip.  I don't think he hated it, but didn't see any benefit or improvement with it.

Strider, same here .... I tried it an liked it at first and then things went down hill later and I ended up lowering my average, so I am thinking about returning to my old grip after our last league games tomorrow. I'm going to have to find a different pro shop though as the one I have been using is closing this week and is not taking on any more pluging and re-drills this week.
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Re: Anatomical Drilling Technique
« Reply #129 on: July 28, 2015, 06:33:06 AM »
I tried it and it was decent. The grip felt good on your hand but coming off your hand it felt about the same as my usual grip, well the ADT grip instead of helping me come more up the back of the ball it felt like it made me go off the side more. The grip was OK overall though just not enough benefits to convince me to plug all my balls.

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Re: Anatomical Drilling Technique
« Reply #130 on: July 28, 2015, 07:09:26 AM »
I had the exact same reaction as Ken. I only tried it on that one ball. Since then I went back to my standard thumb, but I drill my fingers according to the ADT. So I guess I'm using a semi-ADT, lol!

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Re: Anatomical Drilling Technique
« Reply #131 on: July 28, 2015, 09:30:32 AM »
I had the exact same reaction as Ken. I only tried it on that one ball. Since then I went back to my standard thumb, but I drill my fingers according to the ADT. So I guess I'm using a semi-ADT, lol!

Gatekeeper, with my planning to return to my old grip, that is what I was thinking about trying also. I am trying to decide whether to drill the thumb as is normally done by centering it on the grip line or drilling the thumb center line towards the RF like it is done in the ADT drilling.
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Re: Anatomical Drilling Technique
« Reply #132 on: July 28, 2015, 09:37:43 AM »
     I think the biggest thing is understanding what one is reading and applying the principles. IMHO I think there are a lot out there that are good, but could be great if they understood angles and applied the principles they read. If a person has a certain pitch, they have a certain pitch if that is what the hand and release are telling you. No fitting teqnique is going to change it. I have 1/4 reverse and 1/4 right lateral on my thumb and have been told I should have 0 lateral. I have tried it, it does not work. The way my hand lays I the ball and looking at my hand in a relaxed position tells me I need some right lateral. I was trained through IBPSIA and that is the system I have used for 15 years. I have read (r)Evolve and have taken it and combined it with my IBPSIA training and feel that it has givin me the best mesuring technique I could have. I have two guys that work for me and are very good drillers, but they have a hard time measuring and understanding what the hand is telling them. All of these measuring techniques are "guides".
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Re: Anatomical Drilling Technique
« Reply #133 on: July 28, 2015, 09:37:51 AM »
     I think the biggest thing is understanding what one is reading and applying the principles. IMHO I think there are a lot out there that are good, but could be great if they understood angles and applied the principles they read. If a person has a certain pitch, they have a certain pitch if that is what the hand and release are telling you. No fitting teqnique is going to change it. I have 1/4 reverse and 1/4 right lateral on my thumb and have been told I should have 0 lateral. I have tried it, it does not work. The way my hand lays I the ball and looking at my hand in a relaxed position tells me I need some right lateral. I was trained through IBPSIA and that is the system I have used for 15 years. I have read (r)Evolve and have taken it and combined it with my IBPSIA training and feel that it has givin me the best mesuring technique I could have. I have two guys that work for me and are very good drillers, but they have a hard time measuring and understanding what the hand is telling them. All of these measuring techniques are "guides".
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Re: Anatomical Drilling Technique
« Reply #134 on: July 28, 2015, 09:59:59 AM »
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Re: Anatomical Drilling Technique
« Reply #135 on: July 28, 2015, 10:00:17 AM »
What people seem to miss when "offsetting" the thumb is when you redraw your lines with the center gripline splitting the fingers and splitting the thumb you are only dropping a finger more so then normal.

Many (rh) Bowlers have the ring finger slightly further then the middle finger.  Usually about 1/8". Moving the thumb hole further right or left of the Center line shortens the distance of the finger you are moving towards. It's not really offset
« Last Edit: July 28, 2015, 10:02:23 AM by kidlost2000 »
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.