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lefty50

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Confirmation of effect of pitch
« on: October 09, 2015, 08:55:43 AM »
I can't find my this in my notes, probably because I have too many.... :(

I have a ball that I get around way too much... much more so than anything else I have. I've checked specs, and the only difference is 1/8 left pitch (away pitch, I believe, since I'm left handed). Confirming... That could be the reason, correct? Left pitch would help a lefty get around the ball?

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Re: Confirmation of effect of pitch
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2015, 10:21:55 AM »
Lateral Pitch toward the palm would theoretically make you stay in the ball longer.  I would look at the bevel.  In many cases too much bevel will cause the ball to come off your hand early and it is typically overlooked.
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lefty50

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Re: Confirmation of effect of pitch
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2015, 05:37:43 PM »
Sounds like I was way off in my thinking, but that's the only measurement that shows a difference. I am surprised though to hear that left lateral is toward the palm for a left hander... Didn't remember it that way...

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Re: Confirmation of effect of pitch
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2015, 09:51:25 AM »
Sounds like I was way off in my thinking, but that's the only measurement that shows a difference. I am surprised though to hear that left lateral is toward the palm for a left hander... Didn't remember it that way...

Opposite for right handed bowlers.

lefty50

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Re: Confirmation of effect of pitch
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2015, 10:13:55 AM »
Thanks CC, that's what I was thinking... For a left hander, left lateral would describe a pitch away from center, not towards palm, correct?

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Re: Confirmation of effect of pitch
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2015, 10:43:10 AM »
For a left hander, forward is toward the palm reverse away from palm. I think of these as "vertical" pitch.

Left horizontal or I suppose you are referring to as "lateral" is toward the palm/pinky finger; right horizontal/lateral is away from the palm.

The easiest way to see it is to think of a ball sitting with the holes turned up. Put your bowing hand in it.

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Re: Confirmation of effect of pitch
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2015, 10:47:45 AM »
Not questioning anything Rico is saying. Unfortunately, a lot of bowlers confuse what the experts readily understand. I we people confusing the terms regularly during internet discussions.

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Re: Confirmation of effect of pitch
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2015, 12:12:54 PM »
Rico, I wish you had the brainpower to see how confusing you make a simple question. I spend my days simplifying answers for people, so usually am a stickler on this point, o great one.... You've never had the ability to admit when you relate a confusing answer. As I've indicated before, why not just shut up and stop replying to any topic I submit. Please!

CC, ball with holes up is the answer. I would typically relate to the ball in my hand, not with holes on top. Makes all the sense in the world that way. Since left = palm, and towards palm = stay in the ball longer, then the singular difference I see in the measurements doesn't account for the difference in rotation. I'll re-check measurements and bevel, but I use very little bevel, so not sure that will be a factor.
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Re: Confirmation of effect of pitch
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2015, 03:23:55 PM »
Rico isn't confusing in the least, he actually makes the most sense of anyone on this site if you think about what he's saying.  He very plainly and understandably stated the correct answer in his first reply.  Left lateral for a lefty is towards their palm, which is the direction left.  Left is left and right is right.  Just like your left hand is your left hand because it's on the left side of your body.  A hole with left lateral is just that, the center of the hole at the bottom will be left of center at the top, which is further under a lefty's palm.  I'm not sure what's confusing about that. 
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Re: Confirmation of effect of pitch
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2015, 05:47:10 PM »
Everyone: please let it go.

We're trying to share information, facts, not force our opinions on everyone else.
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Re: Confirmation of effect of pitch
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2015, 01:50:02 AM »
Its too bad that viable, useful info gets deleted because a crabby old man doesnt like it.

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Re: Confirmation of effect of pitch
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2015, 01:53:16 AM »
I'll agree it's the only thing out there. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, as am I. But if you put it out there, don't automatically expect everybody to agree with you, unless you're a liberal of course...  :)

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Re: Confirmation of effect of pitch
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2015, 07:17:01 AM »
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Re: Confirmation of effect of pitch
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2015, 08:06:11 AM »
I can honestly say I'm done with this site after this...it's not my circus or my monkee...

And this is why we can't have nice things!

I've spoken at length about many a great thing about this sport with visionaries. Bill Taylor being one of them (R.I.P. Bill) Fitting, ball roll, etc etc. Rico is a very smart person. I get his concepts. They're not hard. I know because we've spoken.

What is hard is for someone whom is not in the business of making sure that a piece of equipment fits properly and is going to be the scapegoat if something goes wrong tries to understand advanced concepts about the pro shop world. It's not as simple as "Put holes in ball and throw". I haven't even read what Rico said, but I can tell you that it's not hard to understand if you have a pro shop background.

Now, the questions I would ask. How long is your thumb? What is the lateral on the ball that you get around vs your other stuff? For example, if your lateral is normally 0, is the ball in question 1/8 under (left)? How much forward/reverse is there? What is your span? Do you have an oval in the thumb? IT or regular slug?

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Re: Confirmation of effect of pitch
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2015, 09:19:43 AM »
You don't know what you don't know. If there is standard terms and definitions to a particular job or skill and you do not understand the verbiage you have to either ask or go somewhere and learn. To say the wording is wrong as someone on the outside looking in doesn't make sense.

I've been on the outside looking in before and when I learned more about what was going on I was better able to join the conversation because the language made sense.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.