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jmc1972

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Help please....ball drillers (hopefully pros)
« on: January 17, 2017, 07:17:57 AM »
Good Morning!

I am taking my No Rules in tomorrow to have it drilled and was wondering what your thoughts and opinions are on getting it drilled on the 3 1/2"x5"x3" (Rotogrip Assymetrical Drill Guide).

Also attached is my Bad Intentions Hybrid showing oil track. I've been able to drop my ball speed to 18mph and I'm not sure of my revs. I am right handed, start on the front dots (4 step approach), left foot on the 14 board, aim at the 7 board and if it turns I cut strait to the pocket somewhat gradually. My hand at the start is strong with my ring finger in the 7 o'clock position.

I'm looking to have my ball go long then cut quickly to the pocket.

Forgot to add the ball specs (don't know if it's necessary):

15lbs
3-4" Pin Placement
Top weight 2.5-3.5

Your opinions and help are greatly appreciated!
« Last Edit: January 17, 2017, 08:49:14 AM by jmc1972 »
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Re: Help please....ball drillers (hopefully pros)
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2017, 08:57:40 AM »
If you're looking for that kind of reaction, the no rules isn't the ball for you. You would be better off with a No Rules Pearl.

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Re: Help please....ball drillers (hopefully pros)
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2017, 02:51:05 PM »
I thought about the pearl. My coach steered me away because of ball speed. My natural speed is 21mph which I know is too fast. I've been able to get down to 18mph which is very uncomfortable yet I'm working on it.
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Re: Help please....ball drillers (hopefully pros)
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2017, 07:09:19 AM »
I understand, but you're not going to make a No Rules go long and snap. It has an aggressive cover, sanded to whatever it is, and the cover is what is going to give you that fast response off of the dry. Even at 21 mph, with a high flare layout, youre going to see a smoother arc than I think you're expecting. I just don't want someone to drill a ball, expect it to do one thing (which it's not designed to do), then be upset with the ball. No Rules looks like a great oil ball, but it's not a ball that's going to give you a hockey stick type move.

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Re: Help please....ball drillers (hopefully pros)
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2017, 08:19:15 AM »
Thanks!  I can work with a smooth arc even if it's the same as my Bad Intentions Hybrid. I'm hoping for something that will cut through the oil while allowing me to bowl at either a natural speed or just a bit slower. Going from 21mph to 18mph gives me more hook however it's extremely uncomfortable and a bit rough on the wrist. I'm having to keep my ball at hip level, in front of the body at stance and just about crawl to the line on approach. Timing feels completely off.

About midway through league night my ball doesn't bite at all and if I increase revs by snapping my fingers the ball goes from 18 to 20 and there's still no turn. Working with my coach on this.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2017, 08:22:16 AM by jmc1972 »
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Re: Help please....ball drillers (hopefully pros)
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2017, 11:12:53 AM »
The one issue I have with the 3.5x5x3 drilling in the Roto guide is the drawing depicting the layout.  A 3.5x5x3 drilling converted to dual angle is approximately 60x3.5x45 - which for most people with an average PAP the layout would put the pin a little bit higher up and closer to the fingers and not so pin down and close to the PAP.  The picture is a distortion to me.

jmc1972, do you know your PAP?

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Re: Help please....ball drillers (hopefully pros)
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2017, 11:38:00 AM »
I don't. The best that I was able to do was show the oil track on my ball. The strap is going directly over thr track at just about the exact width.
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Re: Help please....ball drillers (hopefully pros)
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2017, 11:44:25 AM »
Don't know if this makes more sense.....I just ran the Storm VLS based on the following:

Ball Speed - Fast
Rev Rate - Medium (honestly don't know the number - just based off starting point at release and the break I get)

Axis Tilt - Average
Axis Rotation - Off the Side

PAP Direction 5.25
PAP Up or Down (-) .25

Reaction Strength - Medium
High/Low RG Layout - Low RG
Transition Length - Medium-Short


Reaction Length - Middle

Low RG 2.510
Differential .053
PSA .018

Results showed -
Pin to PAP 2 3/8
PSA 6
pin buffer 1 1/2

(May mean absolutely nothing lol)
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Re: Help please....ball drillers (hopefully pros)
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2017, 03:36:17 PM »
We'll just got the ball drilled and my coach knows my game. The ball is doing exactly what I need it to. First game 63 pins over average!!!!
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Re: Help please....ball drillers (hopefully pros)
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2017, 03:37:49 PM »
Do you have a picture with the final layout?

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Re: Help please....ball drillers (hopefully pros)
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2017, 08:42:45 PM »
Here they are......it's like the pocket has a magnet. No matter how far left I moved it tracked right back.
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Re: Help please....ball drillers (hopefully pros)
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2017, 08:15:51 AM »
Awesome.  Glad it's working out. 

One thing to keep in mind with a more aggressive/strong ball is that the cover needs regular maintenance to keep it hooking the way it did when it was brand new. 

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Re: Help please....ball drillers (hopefully pros)
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2017, 09:01:46 AM »
Thank you for the advice!  I have a bottle of reacts foam, a bottle of 91% Isoprpyl Alcohol, a Master Surface Management System. I also have my balls detoxed every 30 games or so. Can't wait to get on the lanes and destroy pins.
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Re: Help please....ball drillers (hopefully pros)
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2017, 09:16:41 AM »
Glad it worked out for you!