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dougb

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Pin axis drill
« on: March 01, 2010, 12:52:42 PM »
I'm curious to try one of these drills.  It seems like having a ball laid out like this would be a good secret weapon for playing an extreme outside shot when conditions on the inside are difficult.  Goes long and almost no flare on the backend.

But I've actually never seen anything laid out this way.  I only heard about people drilling old Faball Hammers pin axis back in the day.

Can anybody tell me about this layout?


 

the pooh

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Re: Pin axis drill
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2010, 12:53:30 AM »
Can work from outside lines. May also work with extremely clean backends. Does not like carrydown. Can blend out over/under conditions. Carry can be iffy. I have tried it a couple of times over the years and have not stuck with it. Too conditional. A variation I have liked better is a 2" pin or so. A little more backend and not as likely to roll out. Another option that has a similar reaction but seems more versatile to me, is the Rico layout.
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dizzyfugu

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Re: Pin axis drill
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2010, 01:29:33 AM »
Pin axis is the ultimate ROLLY layout. The core is in its stable end position when the ball leaves the hand, it is DEAD. Can be a choice for outside lines, but I found axis drillings tricky. While such a ball does not overreact at all and blends out wet/dry conditions, the early roll depltes energy easily, and as the pooh mentioned, carry and angle can be issues. Better play fast and firm with such a thing, otherwise I'd expect it to make a good spare ball.

I'd also rather vote for a half-axis setup, with the pin at abot 2" from PAP. This is still a rolly thing that IMHO needs a fast and firm release, but has some arcing move on the back end.
I have a Power Groove Particle Black Sparkle with such a setup - a pretty special piece, moves and plays very different from any pin-above-leverage-point ball I have. But it feels at home straight down between 1st and 2nd arrow.

Check my review of it, and here's a video of it, showing how it arcs:

http://de.video.yahoo.com/watch/5346519/14091083


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charlest

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Re: Pin axis drill
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2010, 07:04:50 AM »
quote:
I'm curious to try one of these drills.  It seems like having a ball laid out like this would be a good secret weapon for playing an extreme outside shot when conditions on the inside are difficult.  Goes long and almost no flare on the backend.


Don't assume "goes long". That depends on many variables:
- where the oil line starts,
- how much oil is outside (normally on house shots, there's almost nothing!)
- where you're playing,
- what type of surface is on the ball,
- what the RG is,
- what your ball speed is,
etc.

If you're using a pearl with 2.55 RG and the oil line is on the 5 board, and there is some oil out there, Yes, you can get easy length.
If your ball speed is 20 mph at the arrows, you can probably use a solid or a duller surface and then, Yes, you'll get length.

Anything in between is up for grabs, as to where you can play or even if you can use an axis drilled ball.

Heck, some oil lines on some house shots are bone dry outside of 10 board.

Choose your ball and where to use it carefully. Remember this ball is trying to roll as soon as it hits the lane.
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dougb

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Re: Pin axis drill
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2010, 11:33:59 AM »
Thanks everybody for the info, and a video to boot!

I bowled Saturday with a friend who had a HyRoad drilled up by a Storm rep at a tourney.  He told him he wanted the ball to go very long and make a slight flip on the backend.  The Storm rep drilled it pin over bridge with the cg in the palm, and that's exactly what it did!  Might be less conditional than a pin axis drill.

charlest

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Re: Pin axis drill
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2010, 02:17:54 PM »
quote:
Thanks everybody for the info, and a video to boot!

I bowled Saturday with a friend who had a HyRoad drilled up by a Storm rep at a tourney.  He told him he wanted the ball to go very long and make a slight flip on the backend.  The Storm rep drilled it pin over bridge with the cg in the palm, and that's exactly what it did!  Might be less conditional than a pin axis drill.


Just a reminder (to me as well as to you):
We all tend to forget that the largest influences on ball reaction are the bowler's release, the oil pattern and the ball's surface (both resin composition and texture), not in any order. Drillings come in 4th but are, of course, very influential.
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clt2244

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Re: Pin axis drill
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2010, 02:23:54 PM »
Ive had luck with what my pro shop guy calls a modified axis weight drill, he seen it at a regional on cheetah, guy he seen used it allowed him to play up 5 on the new cheetah and he tried it on a Mars, I threw it and its more rolly then a regular axis drill (tried that as well), works well on a LOW flaring core, here is the pic of my Neptune thats drilled with that layout: http://tinyurl.com/yj8z5xm

its virtually has no backend and just a smooth arc from the foul line to the deck


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