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lefty50

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Weight hole question from Reno coverage
ę on: November 11, 2017, 08:33:13 PM Ľ
I have a question about P4 holes based on something I just heard. I was watching the Facebook live of practice in Reno with commentary by Mike DeVaney. At one point in the video heís watching a pro who doesnít like the reaction on his ball because itís too smooth. He immediately says yes, thatís too smooth, put in a weight hole 4 over, 2 down, 7/8 drill bit and 2 1/2 inches deep. Iím fine with that and the reasoning behind it, but my question regards his immediate indication of the placement. Looking around at all the weight hole discussions, youíll see locations commonly stated as "on the VAL 2 inches down from PAP", "past the VAL 2 inches down", and even say "inside the VAL". Usually though, the PAP is taken into consideration. Either DeVaney was familiar with the bowlers PAP, or else his immediate reply indicates that the PAP location didnít really matter. I donít want to draw too many conclusions from a brief comment, but I see nothing else other than those two options: he either knew the bowlers PAP or the position didnít matter.

Which is true?
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jkirkerx

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Re: Weight hole question from Reno coverage
ę Reply #1 on: November 11, 2017, 09:40:53 PM Ľ
I didnít see the video but l did my layouts and drilled my Intense today using the purple Storm PDF on the website, on the bottom of the product page. So I drew lines for an hour 4x4x3, 4x4x1 and 4x4x2. And at the bottom of the purple sheet  it shows effective weight hole positions in which that position offers the most flare.

When I read your post I was able to see my layout and apply the coordinates and visualize where the hole would be, because itís still fresh in my mind.

Iím sure it was just either coincidence or Mike actually was involved in setting up the ball perhaps earlier in the day.

I tried to past the link but my phone wouldnít do it

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lefty50

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Re: Weight hole question from Reno coverage
ę Reply #2 on: November 11, 2017, 09:58:44 PM Ľ
I just bought an Intense also, 4x4x1 and it's a bit lazy, but breaking in still. I usually use a weight hole on VAL 2 inches down, so if I add a hole, I'll look for the sheet you mention, it could be most interesting.
On edit, I looked and don't see anything on the product page except the bottom of the PSA layout guide,  I think that's the purple sheet you're referring to, shows the regions of balance hole placement. Nothing specific though, and nothing that says max flare for each layout. Is that the drawing you are referring to?
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Re: Weight hole question from Reno coverage
ę Reply #3 on: November 12, 2017, 07:29:19 AM Ľ
If it's a Storm guy he probably has a good idea of the specs, but anyone good enough to be a tour rep is going to have a pretty good idea what the PAP is just by looking at the ball or a players release and ball roll.

The other thing is there is a lot more "I like my pin here and my weight hole here" from bowlers on the PBA Tour than you would expect.