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tekneek

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NEW CRISIS SOLID
« on: October 05, 2006, 04:46:52 AM »

2.50 RG CORE .030 RG DIFF, True-glideR solid reactive cover 2000 polished
rg numbers down quite a bit from the Pearl, different core design as well. Earlier rolling with an arcing break point best suited for light to medium oil.

Staff balls suppose to be shipped next week according to my "Kevlar Protected Buddy" LOL Bet that brings a few questions, huh "Ying"
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Re: NEW CRISIS SOLID
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2006, 11:44:47 PM »
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Steve or Jim, Have you any recommendations for a 36 foot Sport Shot? I was looking at 5in pin-to-pap 45 degree, pin on grip line above fingers to compliment my 4.5in pin-to-pap, pin in ring finger 75 degree 44 Mag...
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Capt Dave,

Given many sport shots are on the light side, might not a 2.5x2.5, 2x4 type of drill control ball reaction a little better? Your ball speed and rev rate seem to warrant this, despite the ball's low RG. Pin 2" above midline, hole on PAP. Just a guess.

I was thinking that 5" pin above the finger might be too flippy, unless you kicked the CG way out, like a 5x2 or 5x1.

Good luck with the sport shot in any case.
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Do you think your first two suggestions would hit from up the outside better than your second set of suggested patterns? Or create more hold in the middle like a hook set forward roll reaction?
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Re: NEW CRISIS SOLID
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2006, 08:03:12 AM »
Drilled up this RED beauty last night just before league. It came with a 3 1/2" pin, 3 oz top. After talking to otherguy, I went with a 4"x3" layout, with the pin just above the ring for me, with the cg on the span center line. A 7/8" hole was drilled 6" over on the center line to get the weights legal. I bowl on a heavy-oil THS, with good fresh backends. I usually use my Mag 44, or Threshold, both work great in this house, and start about 17 to 8, and moving all 3 games.
But since I had this one ready to go I went with it. I had to go up the boards naturally, since it's no where near as strong as the other two. I was playing near the fresh oil line, about 9, with a slight swing, to about 5-6. As usual with a new ball, I had to work on the thumb hole trying to get the fit just right. I managed a 4 bagger and stayed clean for 219. The thumb wasn't quite right, but the second game I managed a spare, (stone 8), a sevenbagger, and two whiffs in the 9th and tenth, wild shots from hanging in the thumb, for a 234. I finally got the thumb right the last game, front 11 and a pretty good ball that left a very stuborn 10 pin,...752. In a house where I usually have to move at least 2 and 2 every game, I never moved all night !! This ball with it's out of the box shine, and smooth hard arc-roll, let me stay outside all night, and get better with each game. This ball clears the heads like a hot knife thru butter, revs up and keeps the pins going straight back. This shiny RED and Yellow ball drew looks from all up and down the center, everyone wanted to know what I was throwing...The color is a hit, and the reaction is another great release fron D/T...jime

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Re: NEW CRISIS SOLID
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2006, 09:52:55 AM »
still a good first night out with a new ball, even with thumb issues. Good bowling as usual Jim, and you're still my hero, even if you're throwing #12 equipment, lol Good to see you back posting, me think you spend too much time in the boat chasing fish.
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Re: NEW CRISIS SOLID
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2006, 10:28:31 AM »
Steve, bowling is easy, fishing is hard, I sent ya some pics..

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Re: NEW CRISIS SOLID
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2006, 10:30:27 AM »
great I'll check'm out. Thinking about a dual career? Bowling and fishing?
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Re: NEW CRISIS SOLID
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2006, 02:35:14 PM »
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Steve or Jim, Have you any recommendations for a 36 foot Sport Shot? I was looking at 5in pin-to-pap 45 degree, pin on grip line above fingers to compliment my 4.5in pin-to-pap, pin in ring finger 75 degree 44 Mag...
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Capt Dave,

Given many sport shots are on the light side, might not a 2.5x2.5, 2x4 type of drill control ball reaction a little better? Your ball speed and rev rate seem to warrant this, despite the ball's low RG. Pin 2" above midline, hole on PAP. Just a guess.

I was thinking that 5" pin above the finger might be too flippy, unless you kicked the CG way out, like a 5x2 or 5x1.

Good luck with the sport shot in any case.
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Do you think your first two suggestions would hit from up the outside better than your second set of suggested patterns? Or create more hold in the middle like a hook set forward roll reaction?
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A lot depends on the oil amount: The first two are such that you often wind up with a ball path simialr to an old fashioned curve and since they're closer to the PAP, they'll be earlier - meaning better for heavier oil.
The 2nd two will also flare less but flare later (a lot depends on how this core will react): it'll probably be better for outside lines. A minor caution: such drills as the 2nds can result in a hook and set reaction, which can work quite well on flat oil patterns. If you want to avoid hook and sets or reduce the amount, added rotation over your standard release might help.

(Side thought: I have lower ball speed; so I prefer low and later flare drills like, 5"x2" for control; people with higher ball speeds often do well with the reverse type of drill: 2"x5".  It's earlier, but equivalent flare.)

I thought I read your sport pattern changed from 36 to 40 feet. If the oil amount will also increase, the 1st  drills MIGHT be better. It's all very relative to how the ball winds up reaction. I fear there are too many unknowns right now.  Such balls, solid resin with low RG and low flare have proven good on sport shots for many people with many drills.

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Re: NEW CRISIS SOLID
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2006, 02:58:53 PM »
nice pics Jim, you're showing talent in area other than bowling, fishing and women. Now for the real question, the big bass looks familar, isn't that Billy Bass the talking and singing bass? LOL Hey, well done my friend, keep it up, and Debbie is definitly a keeper.
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Re: NEW CRISIS SOLID
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2006, 08:22:15 PM »
Got the word that the boyz in brown visited the shop today...

...Now for some fun tomorrow!!!  
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Re: NEW CRISIS SOLID
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2006, 11:18:14 PM »
woo-hoo thinking you might have something with your name on it?
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Re: NEW CRISIS SOLID
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2006, 12:06:04 AM »
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A lot depends on the oil amount: The first two are such that you often wind up with a ball path simialr to an old fashioned curve and since they're closer to the PAP, they'll be earlier - meaning better for heavier oil.
The 2nd two will also flare less but flare later (a lot depends on how this core will react): it'll probably be better for outside lines. A minor caution: such drills as the 2nds can result in a hook and set reaction, which can work quite well on flat oil patterns. If you want to avoid hook and sets or reduce the amount, added rotation over your standard release might help.

(Side thought: I have lower ball speed; so I prefer low and later flare drills like, 5"x2" for control; people with higher ball speeds often do well with the reverse type of drill: 2"x5".  It's earlier, but equivalent flare.)

I thought I read your sport pattern changed from 36 to 40 feet. If the oil amount will also increase, the 1st  drills MIGHT be better. It's all very relative to how the ball winds up reaction. I fear there are too many unknowns right now.  Such balls, solid resin with low RG and low flare have proven good on sport shots for many people with many drills.


It's 40 now but will be going to 36 feet in 4 weeks.  I tend to agree with your side thought... I prefer hook set since when I am not repeating my speed I am more apt to get slow vs. fast and the "set" keeps me safer than a "flip".

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Re: NEW CRISIS SOLID
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2006, 12:32:55 AM »
How about a straight forward comparison?

  When I can use a reactive, it usually ends up being a visionary blue/green centaur.  It is one of the only ones that I have been able to use since the shot changed this year at our house.  I have been throwing mostly urethane.  I know it sounds crazy, but I can only use the centaur once the oil carries down a bit, on the fresh shot the backends are FLYING!

  How would this ball compare to that one?
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Re: NEW CRISIS SOLID
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2006, 09:01:02 AM »
After using Visionary for a while . I would say pretty close.D/T has alot of equipment which pushs thru the fronts and revs up and kepps rolling... B/g Centaur  
is just like the also but a stronger cover.
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Re: NEW CRISIS SOLID
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2006, 03:52:50 PM »
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After using Visionary for a while . I would say pretty close.D/T has alot of equipment which pushs thru the fronts and revs up and kepps rolling... B/g Centaur  
is just like the also but a stronger cover.
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Since the weakest shell Columbia has is of the Super-Flex nature, and the Crisis SOlid will be made at the Columbia factory, I'm inclined to believe that the shell will be at least a Super-Flex derivative. Having been a Super-Flex lover for a long time and having a 15 lb and a 16 lb Blue Green Centaur which I love - I'd guess the B/G is a LOT weaker than any ball with a Super-Flex shell. ALso the B/G has the lowest RG Differential I've ever seen.

Yes, the new Crisis will be polished and the B/G is 1000 grit dull, still ...
(I sanded my B.G down to 2000 to make it more useful for me.)
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Re: NEW CRISIS SOLID
« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2006, 08:54:49 PM »
Well the boyz in brown didn't disappoint...

...two shiny red beauties were sitting at the shop when I got there tonight.  I know that one of them will get laid out 5" Pin to PAP @ 45 degrees with the pin ~4.5" above my gripline and a weight hole on my VAL/Midpoint if needed.  I'm just not sure about the second one...was thinking of just putting a simple 5" Pin to PAP @ 90 degrees and lowering the pin a little bit.  If both balls weren't 4-4.5" pins I would've put one pin down...but such is life.

So thoughts for the second one??
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Re: NEW CRISIS SOLID
« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2006, 10:34:57 PM »
I ended up with mine at 3 5/8 x 4 small balance hole on mid past val, I had a 2.5" pin, putting it at 2:00 to the ring finger. I'll toss it Sat morning after the Youth league.
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