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Savage
« on: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »
Ball NPS Score: Not Available
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The core of the most devastating ball of its time is back with a vengeance. The medium RG Turbo/X core has been retooled for the tighter lane conditions of the new century by adding a flare increasing domed cap. And, by adding the Big Wheel™ reactive resin®, sanded with 1200 grit, Ebonite is recreating the medium length and strong change of direction that made its forefather a legend. Savage. The name says it all.

Specifications are as follows:

Color: Midnight Blue/Rubine Red Sanded
Ebonite Hook Rating (Scale 1-30): 28.25
Length (Scale 1-30): 10.8
Ball Speed: Slower
Axis Rotation: Minimal Side Roll
Axis Tilt: Low Track
Revolutions: Low/Medium Revs
Best Lane Oil Condition: Heavier Oil
Backend Condition: Carrydown
RG: 2.522
Diff: .055

 

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Re: Savage
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2001, 05:19:09 PM »
I layed this bad boy out 5*3 and went to bowl on the house shot which is 7 to 7 and this ball preformed very well.  I could move in left of the track and bump the dry or I could come right up the back of the ball and go play in the sand.  When this ball reaches the breakpoint can you say FLIP? This ball creates such angle at the breakpoint that it's unreal.  You can't go wrong with this or any of the cat series, so i'm sure you will be seeing this along with the Predator in bunches at your local bowling center.  This one gets a 9

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Re: Savage
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2001, 12:05:59 AM »
This ball kind of like old XL.   With a 3 3/8 stacked drill it was hook a mile or skid a mile.   Kind of a crapshoot.   One thing about it, you will know quick whether you are using it on the right condition.   Don't fall in love with this one unless you take the time to figure out exactly how to set up the cover and what condition to use it on.  I couldn't.    Luck    Bullred.

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Re: Savage
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2001, 09:32:54 AM »
I drilled this ball with a more agressive layout than normal.  A 4 1/2 x 4 1/2 with XH on my axis.  The ball specs are close to the Pantera and I would have to agree that it gives a similar look to the Pantera but with a touch more length and recovery.  I have a Pantera that's drilled the same and it's more even than the Savage.  The Savage has excellent recovery as long as you have enough head oil as the coverstock is strong (as well as strong core).  The recovery is not as violent as my Vortex I, but more of very hard arc.  I seem to have unlimited right with this ball, especially on longer patterns.  Good midlane read with strong recovery on a variety of house conditions.

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Re: Savage
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2001, 06:06:25 PM »
SPECS 5 X 5 PIN IN RING FINGER
POLISH  EBONITE FACTORY FINISH

A BIG THANKS GOES TO EBONITE FOR THIS ONE I
HAVE FIFTEEN GAMES WITH THIS BALL AND I AM
AVERAGEING 245 WITH IT. THIS BALL GETS THREW
THE HEADS VERY EASY BUT MAKES IT MOVE AND
NEVER LOOKS BACK THE ONLY FALL BACK IS IF IN DRY
ENOUGH CONDITIONS I SEE THIS BALL ROLLING OUT COMPARED
TO THE V2 IT IS ABOUT FIVE FEET LONGER AND A SHARPER
BACK END HITS LIKE A TRUCK PINS FLY THIS CAN FIT INTO
ANYONES ARSENAL. ON A SCALE (1-10) HOOK = 7   LENGHT = 8 OVERALL = 9

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Re: Savage
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2001, 11:24:12 AM »
This ball is diffently a Savage on the lanes. This ball is very versatile. I have a lot of trouble on Wet-Dry lanes. So I laid this ball out 5 X 3 and matted it too 800, then applied a light coat of Ebonites Partical Polish. Out the box I shot 300 with it. Since then I have had a lot of high games with it, by changing the surface.

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Re: Savage
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2001, 11:45:31 PM »
Pin: 3-4"
Drill: Pin is 12:30 to center of grip
Rev: High
Speed: Medium

Out of the box, this ball easily handled all oily conditions presented to it.
It has no trouble in recovering after a long skid and when it hits the pins, it hits it hard. From my type of bowling, it hits harder than my Predator. Maybe because of its denser ball construction.

When the heads start to dry off, control is still very apparent and ball still holds its lines pretty well.

After shining and polishing it up, the ball cleared the heads real well and kept most of its energy for the hit into the pocket.

Great great ball for all conditions and very verstatile for any type of bowler. It's simple core construction and aggressive enough coverstock, outshines most balls twice its price.

For oily lanes, i will stick to my predator. For anything else, the Savage more than does its job. Ball selection doesnt come any easier than that.

Thanks Ebonite and Bowl to Win.

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Re: Savage
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2001, 11:22:38 AM »
I have been rolling the Savage now for about a month, and all I
can say is it's one devastating ball when it hits the pins, and has
great carry!  I have mine drilled for maximum hook in heavier oil,
the pin out.  In our leagues on most nights, guys are having problems
getting to the pocket because of the tight condition.  I am right-handed,
and most right-handers are standing so far right, they are almost
pointing the ball to the pocket.  There is an out of bounds at about the 6th board on both sides.  Each of the last 4 weeks, I've started out standing on
or near the 25th board.  I start out playing around the 13th board, sending
it out to about 8, and back.  Since no one else is able to play in there, my shot stays a long time, and I'm generally able to string a large amount of strikes.  The Savage seems to love the oil, and makes the turn for the pocket
easily. I am a stroker. The guys that have watched me throw this ball can't believe that I even dare to start out playing inside!  I noticed that lately about 6 or 7 of them have bought and are now using Savages!  Scores are going up.  I really love my Ebonite Tiger for medium lanes, but the Savage is now my favorite ball, period!  Those two make a great combination.   Thanks, Ebonite.  You folks continue to make the best equipment at the most reasonable price!
Joe L. Carter

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Re: Savage
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2001, 01:16:14 PM »

 I drilled two of these, 1 label with a 2-1/2 inch pin, the other 4-1/2 strong.
 The label drilled ball, reacted early and smooth, could not open the lane too far, because the ball set up in the back. However, the 4-1/2 strong, gave me almost unlimited right. I was very impressed and a little surprised how strong this ball is. For the price, this is a must have ball. (very versatile)

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Re: Savage
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2001, 01:35:01 AM »
This ball is a high flare Turbo/X core with an added flip block. I placed the pin 6" from my PAP, Cg in the palm, no hole.

I took the shell to a 1000 grit wet sand, no polish.  The Savage is a ticking time bomb going down the lane.  Drilled weak, the Savage gets to the break point with ease then UNLOADS on the backend.  Very strong and continuous thru the pin deck.  This ball has been killer on easier conditions with medium carrydown.  Great addition!

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Jim Lewis

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Re: Savage
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2001, 02:56:21 PM »
The Savage is properly named. This powerful ball can match up to almost any $200+ ball.  The Savage's strength is its loping roll that will allow bowlers with medium ball speed (and proper surface preparation) to get the ball through the heads and midlane to create a strong angular hook on oily to somewhat broken down lane conditions. Bowlers with higher ball speeds will need to use duller surface preparations to minimize midlane skid of Savage.  The layouts I have used are 6x5 label drill and 4 1/2x3 with hole in PAP, both with pins just above finger level.  My positive axis point (PAP) is 5 1/4 by 3/8 up.  I use these layouts to allow myself to use the Savage from deep inside angles, when low RG balls like Vortex 2's are losing energy too early on broken down conditions.  That is what works best for me, but this ball can easily be drilled with other layouts for those who want to play from outside angles on oily lanes.  I would highly recommend a Savage to any bowler looking for a mid-priced ball with power.

Jim Lewis
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Re: Savage
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2001, 01:40:48 PM »
Specs
14 lbs.
Drilling 1
Label Leverage

Check profile for my style.

A Savage is just what this ball is.It goes very long and is huge on the backend. I am a YABA bowler and i get a little above average revs.I have an average ball speed.This ball is awesome.I throw from about board 16 to 8 on heavy oil.It goes long and comes back hard.It is very strong and kicks out the corners like no other mid-price ball i've ever seen.Overall, i would give this a 9.5 of 10.

Part 2

Ok, it's a year later and I have used this ball A LOT more so I can post a detailed continue of the first one.

Ball works best on either heavy oil or medium oil. Too over under for me on regular house shot with dry boards from 5 on out. 38 ft. Christmas tree pattern. I find that I can throw the best line on this pattern by playing along the first arrow, and cutting down on my revs a little. On medium oil it is great, it is a very strong ball. Heavy oil is it's forte though. This thing cuts through heavy oil like no other I have thrown. Outhooked the Apex Aggression I tried at a demo day on the sport shot. In conclusion, this ball is good on medium oil, average on medium/heavy, and great on heavy.

Also, the coverstock of this ball is very versatile. If you polish it, depending on the condition it will have a nice skid/flip. When dulled down it starts pretty early but has a strong backend. Out of the box I found it at the best, it will be mostly skid/flip, except start maybe 3 to 4 feet earlier than dulled.

I spent 5 hours taking the oil out of this thing and now it has become an absolute BEAST! Talk about skid/snap! I threw it on a normal house shot and I actually had to cut down on my revs to get it to the pocket playing 22-6.

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Re: Savage
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2002, 03:58:28 PM »
Picked one up cheap on line, had it drilled medium rg, pin 4 3/4 from pap
just under ring finger, cg at grip mid line.
Threw four practice balls to find a line and proceeded to throw 11 strikes my first game with it(missed a (solid) 10 pin for 267).  Great reaction, pounded the pins, kicked the corners and mixed well on light hits.
Played outside until they dried out too much then moved inside.  Went long through the oil and carried well through the back.
Great ball.  Very versatile for my style(low axis, medium revs).
Tossed a 698 with it first time out of the box.
Recomend highly!

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Re: Savage
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2002, 08:32:05 PM »
I have two of this ball.  The first one has a 2 1/2" pin from my PAP drilled to 1/2 pos side weight with weight hole on axis.  This layout I can use on anything is very predictable.  Has very good length polished but still has very good backend.  The other one has a 5" pin from my PAP drilled on center line of CG.  This ball I can stand left and hook the lane with.  It has very good length and when it makes it's move to the pocket is very even on the backend.


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Michael Gaither

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Re: Savage
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2002, 06:48:34 PM »
This is a very strong reactive ball that reads the midlane good,
with a very strong backend.I like the savage for medium to heavy oily
conditions.It compliments the v2 solid very well.If you want more hook
then the v2 solid and want to stay in reactive,this is your ball.                                                                            



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