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Black Widow Venom Advice
« on: August 13, 2008, 05:56:44 PM »
I had the ball drilled up last night and its drilled to go long with a strong snap off the backend. I threw ball on dry lanes and it never moved. The ball just kept going and going. Im contemplating scuffing the ball up to get it to move more.

Can anyone offer some helpful tips please?

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Re: Black Widow Venom Advice
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2008, 05:54:39 PM »
glad i decided not to buy any more widows i had the pearl quit after one season and yes i cleaned it reaguarly.
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Re: Black Widow Venom Advice
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2008, 09:26:24 PM »
I throw around 15-16 mph with a lot of revs. Ive been thinking of knocking it down, and Ill try the 2k.

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Re: Black Widow Venom Advice
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2008, 10:39:22 PM »
Did your pro shop recomend this drilling? If so, what was his reasoning?

Just wondering if he's watched you bowl, or took this layout from your other equipment.
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Re: Black Widow Venom Advice
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2008, 05:09:37 AM »
Yes he recommended the drilling. He said it was close to the Hammer drilling #3. My BW is similiar to the placement of the pin, cg, and mb, except the pin is below my ring finger and the ball hooks like a monster. I told him i wanted a bit more length with a snap on the backend. Thats why he drilled it the way he did. We bowl together so he knows my style.
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Re: Black Widow Venom Advice
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2008, 01:15:07 PM »
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Yes he recommended the drilling. He said it was close to the Hammer drilling #3. My BW is similiar to the placement of the pin, cg, and mb, except the pin is below my ring finger and the ball hooks like a monster. I told him i wanted a bit more length with a snap on the backend. Thats why he drilled it the way he did. We bowl together so he knows my style.
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My 2 cents -
In theory, the baseline reaction of the Venom versus the original is such that the same drilling as the original would have given you what you wanted. I suspect your driller did not know enough about the Venom to appreciate this. This drilling on the other hand puts the pin even further from your PAP and adds length and snap besides that. So much so that you need even more dry to get that reaction. This drilling either needs a LOT more dry than you're seeing or needs someone with a lot more hand than you have.

In either case, sanding is not the solution for this drilling, if the reaction you have indicated is still the one you want. Oh, sanding will probably get you a reaction but not the one you intended when you bought this ball.

If you still want what the Venom offers, I believe you need to redrill this ball.

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Re: Black Widow Venom Advice
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2008, 01:40:09 PM »
I'm wondering if a 3 3/8" stacked leverage drilling wouldn't benefit you more, on this ball??
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Re: Black Widow Venom Advice
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2008, 02:27:50 PM »
Based on what you guys are saying if someone wanted a long and strong reaction you need to drill this stronger than say the prl like maybe a 4X4 ?
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Re: Black Widow Venom Advice
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2008, 03:04:02 PM »
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Based on what you guys are saying if someone wanted a long and strong reaction you need to drill this stronger than say the prl like maybe a 4X4 ?


Don't know about anyone else, but I wasn't saying that. This ball is stronger than the Pearl, near as I can tell. Also It's a solid, not a pearl.
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Re: Black Widow Venom Advice
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2008, 05:26:46 PM »
What I'm saying is:

Put a strong drilling on it, and let the aspects of the design of the ball, being long with backend snap work together. To me, sounds like the length drilling isn't matching up with the cover/core for what he wants it to do.

That's what I'm looking at. I had a BW Pearl, pin over the bridge, and it was horrible for me, and I tried every option with the cover on it. Have another drilled stacked leverage right of the fingers, and it's a great ball. Kinda where he's at on his Venom.
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Re: Black Widow Venom Advice
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2008, 10:03:51 AM »
BBU-
what are your PAP coordinates? when you threw the ball did it flare a little or a lot?
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Re: Black Widow Venom Advice
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2008, 04:37:42 AM »
I didnt even think to look at the flare because I was so disgusted. Im going to throw it again on thursday night and then take it down with 2k and see what the flare is.

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Re: Black Widow Venom Advice
« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2008, 10:13:58 AM »
Knocked it down with Resurrection now it earlier and smoother, reads alot better and for me still is longer than the pearl. Try out 2k or 4k with no polish and it might fit the bill, if higher speed go resurrection or 1k.

I do not believe for one minute that this is the strongest veneer ever used on a hammer ball, my take is weaker than the Pearl cover.
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Re: Black Widow Venom Advice
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2008, 10:22:24 AM »
Flare is not an issue in my case still getting well over 5 1/2 inches of total flare, the core is moving this ball the cover is IMO just alot weaker than advertised.

It is a good ball but do not expect the as strong of a move as the solid produces, so if you want longer than the pearl it really does do that.


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I'm wondering if a 3 3/8" stacked leverage drilling wouldn't benefit you more, on this ball??
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Re: Black Widow Venom Advice
« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2008, 11:35:19 PM »
Unfortunately I never threw the BWP. I waited for this ball so I could the length that the BW didnt give me. I had the BITE and didnt like either. I will take it down to 2k and throw it Thursday night and let you know what happens.
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Re: Black Widow Venom Advice
« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2008, 11:15:22 PM »
Id like to say thank you to everyone that gave me the advice I needed!!!

I knocked it down with 2k grit paper on the spinner, then went over it with a fine scuff pad. I took it to the lanes for a 9 game test session.

The ball hit the dry cushion around five and blew the rack. The ball reacted a million times better than the other day. I was very happy with the reaction and it was what I was looking for. It laid off the pocket a bit longer than the BW. The BW was rushing the pocket to hard and going through the nose. The same line with the Venom and it held longer and carried every time.

Thanks again to everyone for the advice.
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