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Can anyone give a list of professional bowlers who are strokers
« on: January 06, 2017, 10:09:09 PM »
Can anyone give a list of professional bowlers who are strokers (male or female)

 

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Re: Can anyone give a list of professional bowlers who are strokers
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2017, 01:29:32 PM »
What would Eugene McCune be considered then? Power stroker??

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Re: Can anyone give a list of professional bowlers who are strokers
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2017, 02:29:34 PM »
What would Eugene McCune be considered then? Power stroker??

I'd say barely... he's more speed than anything else, so for him it really does come down to the right pattern for him to excel.

However, I would definitely put David Ozio in as a stroker.

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Re: Can anyone give a list of professional bowlers who are strokers
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2017, 03:25:57 PM »
Eugene and his speed is definitely part of his "A" game, but I have seen him slow down and hook the crap out of it, and his rev rate is pretty good if he wants it to be.
Ozio was sneaky.  His mechanics were so good that he is one of those guys that you would never guess could  curve the lane, and it wasn't his first choice, but he could do it plenty good if he had to.

I have a friend who had a big, urethane release and big rev rate, and he crossed with Ozio when the Teal Rhino was big on tour, and my friend was using one. My friend was playing the lane inside out and shot a respectable 8 game block of around 240 over.  Ozio was using a Columbia Blue Dot straight up the boards and was 300 over. Later, Ozio was talking to my friend and they were joking around, and Ozio told him, "yeah, I was using my reactive Blue Dot". They both just cracked up, but that was when my friend told me he realized how good those regular tour guys really were.

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Re: Can anyone give a list of professional bowlers who are strokers
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2017, 03:26:11 PM »
is Francois Lavoie one??? is he a stroker?

What the heck is a stroker these days? I'm confused. RP call him a classic style/stroker.

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Re: Can anyone give a list of professional bowlers who are strokers
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2017, 04:30:19 PM »
is Francois Lavoie one??? is he a stroker?

What the heck is a stroker these days? I'm confused. RP call him a classic style/stroker.



Yup.
I'd say low (175-275 +/-) revs, low-to-medium ball speed.
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Re: Can anyone give a list of professional bowlers who are strokers
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2017, 05:14:44 PM »
Rev rates are not a good way to classify bowlers.  He would be classified that way by style.  But his rev rate is way closer to 400 than 275.  The one thing that looks way lower on television than in person is rev rate.  Go to a PBA event and you will realize just about everyone's ball revolves way more than it looks on tv. 

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Re: Can anyone give a list of professional bowlers who are strokers
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2017, 05:52:59 PM »
Rev rates are not a good way to classify bowlers.  He would be classified that way by style.  But his rev rate is way closer to 400 than 275.  The one thing that looks way lower on television than in person is rev rate.  Go to a PBA event and you will realize just about everyone's ball revolves way more than it looks on tv.

 
Amen. It's not close in many instances.

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Re: Can anyone give a list of professional bowlers who are strokers
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2017, 06:06:51 PM »
Rev rates are not a good way to classify bowlers.  He would be classified that way by style.  But his rev rate is way closer to 400 than 275.  The one thing that looks way lower on television than in person is rev rate.  Go to a PBA event and you will realize just about everyone's ball revolves way more than it looks on tv.

 
Amen. It's not close in many instances.

I must agree. When I worked in Sports Entertainment, these athletes like Chris webber had ankles like my distal forearm, small ankles. Guys on ESPN didn't seem that big either when not wearing a suite. I'd be standing next to these guys and wonder how did Spud Webb and Mogsey B. play with six/seven footers? They are so short. Or guys in the NFL or professional body builders, it's the opposite. They don't look that big on TV, but damn they are huge! Mr. Terminator at his later age, if you saw his cavles!! they look like they can crush a cans!

So big difference for sure, from TV and being their yourself. A dunk on TV by shaq isn't the same live.
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Re: Can anyone give a list of professional bowlers who are strokers
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2017, 06:43:47 PM »
is Francois Lavoie one??? is he a stroker?

What the heck is a stroker these days? I'm confused. RP call him a classic style/stroker.



Yup.
I'd say low (175-275 +/-) revs, low-to-medium ball speed.

Lavoie is well over 275 rev rate, well over.
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Re: Can anyone give a list of professional bowlers who are strokers
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2017, 03:49:32 AM »
is Francois Lavoie one??? is he a stroker?

What the heck is a stroker these days? I'm confused. RP call him a classic style/stroker.



Yup.
I'd say low (175-275 +/-) revs, low-to-medium ball speed.

Lavoie is well over 275 rev rate, well over.

If he is, I wouldn't say that disqualifies him. That range was a ball park and I won't be inflexible about it.
I'd still think from general appearances, he's a stroker.
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Re: Can anyone give a list of professional bowlers who are strokers
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2017, 07:21:27 AM »
Exactly.  The PBA Tour is full of a lot of guys with effortless power, compared to the typical league night where you see a lot of powerless effort. 

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Re: Can anyone give a list of professional bowlers who are strokers
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2017, 08:34:44 AM »
is Francois Lavoie one??? is he a stroker?

What the heck is a stroker these days? I'm confused. RP call him a classic style/stroker.



Yup.
I'd say low (175-275 +/-) revs, low-to-medium ball speed.

Lavoie is well over 275 rev rate, well over.

If he is, I wouldn't say that disqualifies him. That range was a ball park and I won't be inflexible about it.
I'd still think from general appearances, he's a stroker.

The video in the following link says Lavoie's rev rate is 400: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXg1bcp4cIc

Not sure that it's that high but I do know just by watching it is well over 300.  You can also do a comparison between him and Walter Ray here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKf9w41BBR0.  Walter Ray is reportedly around 250-300 and Lavoie's rev rate appears to be much higher than his...
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Re: Can anyone give a list of professional bowlers who are strokers
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2017, 09:32:21 AM »
is Francois Lavoie one??? is he a stroker?

What the heck is a stroker these days? I'm confused. RP call him a classic style/stroker.



Yup.
I'd say low (175-275 +/-) revs, low-to-medium ball speed.

Lavoie is well over 275 rev rate, well over.

If he is, I wouldn't say that disqualifies him. That range was a ball park and I won't be inflexible about it.
I'd still think from general appearances, he's a stroker.

The video in the following link says Lavoie's rev rate is 400: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXg1bcp4cIc

Not sure that it's that high but I do know just by watching it is well over 300.  You can also do a comparison between him and Walter Ray here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKf9w41BBR0.  Walter Ray is reportedly around 250-300 and Lavoie's rev rate appears to be much higher than his...

Lavoie's rev rate is 400?
You'll pardon me if I take that with a POUND of salt. I don't care what measurements they give, by what device.
I think they exaggerate their rev rates, just like the exaggerate the height of all the bowlers. That must make Lavoie about 6'6". :)
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Re: Can anyone give a list of professional bowlers who are strokers
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2017, 09:52:18 AM »

Lavoie's rev rate is 400?


My estimate is between 325 and 375.  He has deceptive power and speed given his smooth and efficient delivery.

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Re: Can anyone give a list of professional bowlers who are strokers
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2017, 11:03:23 AM »
Being a stroker is not defined by rev rate.  Rather it is about having a free arm swing without an exaggerated high back swing and no late timing or extreme acceleration at the bottom.  In my experience you can generate close to 300 rpm while being a pure stroker, although I don't think anyone is really totally pure anymore.  Best example I can remember of a pure stroker was Ozio.  Going further back into the early 70's there were quite a few.  Stefanich might be another good example.   A lot of guys in the 90's up until about 10 years ago would meet the definition of power strokers that was coined in the 80's.  Guys like Voss and Pederson meet that criteria.  Larsen is probably in that category today.

Walter Ray is not close to being a stroker even though he has a rev rate associated with strokers.