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Barbarian2990

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Doom?
« on: March 29, 2008, 02:00:37 AM »
I was just wondering has anyone tried a doom without polish for the heavier stuff if so what was your drilling and what grit did u go to. Also does anyone have both   the Doom and Blue vibe and what kind of reaction would u get if they had same drill and cover prep.

 

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Re: Doom?
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2008, 11:30:57 AM »
PM chitown, he ran with an arsenal of Doom's, he knows the doom inside and out. He also has the blue vibe so hes the man to ask.
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Re: Doom?
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2008, 12:24:28 PM »
chitown, I would also like you're opinion on whether a Doom sanded can handle a condition on the heavy side of medium?

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Re: Doom?
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2008, 12:34:41 PM »
I have deffinetly taken the cover down on the Doom. The Dooms cover will handle alot of oil, especially in the midlane. I do have a BV and Doom with similar pin to pap distances and the Doom is stronger overall. When polished the Doom is longer and cleaner for most of the lane, with all its punch in the back. The BV starts earlier and is very smooth throughout. Now take the covers down to say 2000 and both balls wake up a bit. They both read the lane very well but the Doom becomes silly strong in the midlane. The BV reaction doesnt change much but it too becomes strong enough to handle more oil volume. The BV is very predictable in its reaction regardless of the cover prep.

I also have a rico drilled Doom that I leave at 2000. This is a go to ball when it comes to tournaments and tougher shots.


Doom 1 @ 4000 polished http://members.cox.net/bluerrpilot/Doom.JPG

Blue Vibe @ 2000 polished  http://members.cox.net/bluerrpilot/BV.JPG

Rico Doom @ 2000 http://members.cox.net/bluerrpilot/Doom2.JPG
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chitown

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Re: Doom?
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2008, 01:32:22 PM »
bluerrpilot, give you a great comparison between the Blue Vibe and Doom.

I had a 4 ball Doom arsenal when the ball first came out.  When the Doom first came out many told me not to dull a pearlized ball.  They said the ball wasn't inteded to be dull and I wouldn't be happy with the results.  Keep in mind that many back then didn't get into dulling pearl equipment.  Well, I didn't listen to them and dulle dthe cover anyways.

On a medium pattern (40' medium volume) the Doom in it's box surface has a good mid-lane read and strong but controllable backend reaction.  Of course drill layout's and or bowlers style come into play on just how controllable the ball is.  The Doom's characteristics are clean thru the heads, good mid-lane read and strong backend.

Now when the polish is taken off the DOOM iT obviously becomes stronger with respect to handling more oil.  I had two DOOMS drilled exactly the same.  Both balls had the pin above the bridge 5.5" from my pap, CG kicked right to almost 1oz of side and no balance hole.  One of the DOOM's were in box condition and the other was used at various grits but settled on 1000.

On a medium pattern (not walled up house patterns) the box surface DOOM was about 5 baords less total hook than the 1000 grit DOOM.  The 1000 grit DOOM was a tad bit smoother at the break point as well.  

On the longer, heavier pattern the 1000 grit DOOM would hook a lot more than the box surface DOOM.  I've seen as much as 10 boards more hook out of the 1000 grit DOOM on certain patterns.  I also have seen the 1000 grit DOOM read the mid-lane really well and give a great reaction while the box surface DOOM would shoot past the break point because the oil was too heavy.

Like I said before, the DOOM's characteristics are clean thru the heads, good mid-lane read and strong but controllable backend.  This is one of the most controllable pearlized bowling balls i've ever rolled.

I currently don't have any DOOM's.  I do have the Blue Vibes.  So comparing the two without really using them on the same pattern side by side, may be a little inaccurate.  However, if their's one bowling ball I know really well it's the DOOM.  

If both balls are in box condition, the DOOM is going to be stronger overall.  I also think the DOOM is stronger in both the mid-lane and backend.  Although on certain patterns the BV backend can get very strong.  So it's kind of a toss up on the backend move.  I've seen both balls cover a lot of boards on the backend.

If both balls were 1000 grit, again the DOOM is going to be stronger.  Although the gap would be closer than if both balls were in box condition.

If you get on a heavier, long pattern the BV will not hook a lot.  I've been on some heavier, long pattern and my Box condition BV would only hook about 5 boards.  This is the type of condition you would see a bigger difference between the DOOM and BV.  The DOOM will handle more oil than the BV both in it's box condition and dulled.

Hit and carry!  Both balls hit good and carry great on the right condition.  However, I think the DOOM hit's and carry's better.  I still have never come across another ball that can carry light hit's as well as the DOOM.

Both of these bowling balls are awesome and would work very well together in an arsenal.

Side note:  I don't currently don't own the DOOMs anymore but will be buying a few before there discontinued.

Hope this helps.


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Re: Doom?
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2008, 01:56:47 PM »
Hello Barbarian,
i was able to handle with a 4000 no polish Doom
Kegel Sport Series - HIGHWAY TO HELL - 2340
Kegel Sport Series - DEAD MAN'S CURVE - 3043
oiled with a Kustodian Walker on a high friction lane (Funk).
My stats are not up to date my rev rate and speed are a bit higher now.
Hope this helps.
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Re: Doom?
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2008, 03:36:26 PM »
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When the Doom first came out many told me not to dull a pearlized ball.  They said the ball wasn't inteded to be dull and I wouldn't be happy with the results.  



I think those people were on crack...or just ignorant.


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I don't currently own the DOOMs anymore but will be buying a few before there discontinued.


Fotunatly that wont be happening anytime soon. But I will also have a couple sitting in the closet when it does.
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chitown

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Re: Doom?
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2008, 04:11:51 PM »
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 When the Doom first came out many told me not to dull a pearlized ball. They said the ball wasn't inteded to be dull and I wouldn't be happy with the results.

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I think those people were on crack...or just ignorant.




I totally agree!

When the DOOM first came out, you never heard anyone talk about changing the cover on pearlized bowling balls.  Well at least on this site it wasn't common to change the surface on a polished/pearlized balls.

If you look back just two years ago, even the ball makers really didn't talk about adjusting the cover on pearlized equipment.  In fact, Ebonite was one of the first to bring up changing the surface using abralon pads.  I think it was the Angular One that started the trend.

I always think back to my DOOM experiment and laugh.  Now a days it doesn't matter what surface a ball comes with.  Most change the surface with abralon pads anyways.

I have said this in the past and will continue to say it now.  Most bowling balls that are pearlized and or polished from the factory can be used on heavier oil if the cover is brought down to a low enough grit.  I did this with the DOOM's and with the BLUE VIBES.

If a bowler truely finds a coverstock that matches up the their game really well, then it's wise to just build an entire arsenal out of just that ball.  Of course you could have a different ball for the xtremes (heavy/dry).

For example:
NO MERCY
DOOM
DOOM
DOOM
BLUE VIBE
URETHANE


The above arsenal would be killer for me!  A bowling ball and a set of abralon pads can go a long way.

Take a look at WRW this season.  He's used the ensane leverage for most of the tourney's.  Sure he's got some other MoRich balls but for the most part he's used the ensane.

Look at Norm Duke last year.  He used the spit fire and fired up most of the season.  Sure he had some other equipment but for the most part it was the spit fire that worked for him.

I built an all DOOM arsenal and did really well with it.  If it wasn't for getting bord rolling the same type of bowling ball I would still have an all DOOM arsenal.  I often think about going back to using an all DOOM arsenal and 2 different balls for the xtremes.  In fact, I may end up doing just that for this next upcoming season.

It's all about matching up with a particular ball.  Once you drill a few of the same ball and use different layouyts and cover preps you really get to know the balls reaction.  Plus it's easier to read what the pattern is doing because you know the balls reaction so well.  At least that's my current view on equipment.



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bluerrpilot

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Re: Doom?
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2008, 04:40:07 PM »
Before he left, someone at Hammer told me that the only reason the Doom came oob polished was because it had better shelf appeal. And if you think about it, that’s probably the reason for most polished stuff.
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chitown

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Re: Doom?
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2008, 02:49:45 PM »
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Before he left, someone at Hammer told me that the only reason the Doom came oob polished was because it had better shelf appeal. And if you think about it, that’s probably the reason for most polished stuff.
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I totally agree with you!  It's all about marketing!