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Beano

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No Mercy Query
« on: May 03, 2007, 01:14:05 PM »
I'm looking at buying a No Mercy, but remember posts a few months ago warning about balls that didn't have the Pin, CG and Hart lined up.  I'm in Australia and balls aren't exactly in abundance, and the one i can get has the CG to the left between the Pin and Hart.  Does this really make any difference when the ball is drilled up?  if so, is there a way to compensate for it?

Also, my Doom and Pain are drilled with a 4.5" Pin to PAP (CG towards the centre of my grip), where i get a strong but predictable reaction from them.  I'm looking at the No Mercy to handle oilier lanes when the Pain struggles, and to get a different read on fresh lanes.  Should i drill it with the same Pin to PAP and let the cover and weight block be the difference, or go for a more aggressive drilling?  i remember a lot of people said the #1 drilling was too strong.

Thanks for any advice, as i really want to get one of these balls.

Dean

 

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Re: No Mercy Query
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2007, 09:31:18 PM »
IMO, #1 is to strong for a lOT of folks. You might want to look at #7 unless you're a High Rev guy, then #6. Either one of these will allow the cg to be left of a line from the pin to the Hart, how much the ball is off that you are looking at, I don't know. I do not like to have the cg more than 1/2-1 inch either side of that line for my customers, but it all depends on what drill you plan to use.

My wife has #2 which allows the 'off line' cg more than a lot of other drills. If you are looking for more arc than midlane hook, you'll be fine, left is better than right for those types.  

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Re: No Mercy Query
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2007, 01:44:05 AM »
The CG mark is determined after the ball has been fully produced - pin and mass or or HART marker are fixed through the core angles inside of the ball.
Since the core cannot be exactly fixed during ball pouring, a slight deviation of the CG from the pin/MB marker line on any ball is natural - since the CG only gives information about the weight distribution and hints how to set up the ball to keep static weights in legal limits (though weighing a ball before drilling is never wrong. You never know...).

Unless you have some crude deviation or CG placement, you should not worry. But I'd also be sceptical when the CG is more than 1" away from the pin/MB marker line, or very close to either of them and off of that line. Results may vary - friend of mine had had a Fear Factor with the 1" pin distance, and the CG was 1" off of the pin/MB marker line. The ball, though legal, had a weird and very inconsistent reaction, and when we asked a pro about the ball he told us that he'd consider the ball basically to be a blem, despite the rather low deviations.
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Re: No Mercy Query
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2007, 08:11:09 AM »
I would put the pin at least 4.5" from your pap, further if your a high rev bowler.  I would also put it above the finger to pap line.  Then place the HART left of your thumb (if your a right hander) into your ball track. The CG can go up to 1oz of negative side weight.  So this should help you get the HART in the correct spot.

Remember the pin location is going to determine the flare potential of this ball.


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Re: No Mercy Query
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2007, 09:56:00 AM »
I don't know about all that pin to pap stuff, but I'm a solid tweener. I had the number two drill on my mercy at first. It arcs nice but I tended to leave a lot of corner pins with it. Had it redrilled with the number 6 drill, it went to long. I did win some nice money throwing it on a short oil shot with good backends though. Its just doesn't handle a lot on conditions or much oil with that drill. If I was to drill another one I would go with a variation of the number one drill. Maybe move the pin up a little and play with the cover. I threw another fellow leftys mercy with that drill and loved it. I don't need another one right now because I have two pains that do the job on oil. 2cents

Beano

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Re: No Mercy Query
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2007, 12:32:15 AM »
thanks for all the feedback, it is much appreciated; the Hammer Forum is great!

the CG is about 1/4" to the left, so thanks for reassuring me there.

as for the drilling, i'm looking to use the potential in the ball while still being able to control the reaction, so that it out hooks my Pain, but i don't need it to hook off the lane.  i used to have a Razor Blade with a 3 3/8" Pin and CG, but the Pain covers more boards with a 4.5" Pin and 5" CG (and hits harder with more carry, which basically retired the R.B.), and would like the No Mercy to be the strongest ball in my arsenal.

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Re: No Mercy Query
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2007, 12:53:33 AM »
HEY BEANO!

I have a NO MERCY drilled with the # 1 Recommended Layout per the spec sheet. The guys on here are correct in informing you that this layout may be too strong for you. It all depends on your style.

I decided to give it the # 1 Layout because I wanted to see what it would do for me. A guy such as myself who has a PAP distance of 5 > by 1 ^ would have a layout of a 3 1/2" Pin to PAP distance with the HART just left of thumb.

EXAMPLE: We both have a NO MERCY drilled with the # 1 Recommended Layout; but, we have different PAPs. You may have a 2 3/4" Pin to PAP while with my PAP, the layout would be 3 1/2" from Pin to PAP. Thus, we see 2 totally different reactions and it could be the difference between a ball getting a 'thumbs up' or a 'thumbs down'.

For me the NO MERCY with this layout definitely shows how strong it really is; however, in the heads (front part), uses most of its energy up front and gives a smooth arc on the backend.

I suggest drilling the NO MERCY based on these 3 guidelines:
1. Your Positive Axis Point (PAP)
2. What type of reaction you are looking for
3. What type of condition you are looking to use it on

Hope this helps buddy! God Bless You All and have a great week!

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Re: No Mercy Query
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2007, 01:28:04 AM »
Also you need to know you rev's, that play a big part of it too. Don't worry a SteveAustin2808 #3 sugguestion, you can tweak the surface for any condition you want to play on.

BTW, my pin is at 1:30 on ring finger 1 inch away. hart is at 1-2 flare track. Also my driller dril one of the finger hole a little bit deep to counteract off line CG.

Hope that help....Also give the coverstock a try its pretty strong cover.
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Re: No Mercy Query
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2007, 08:16:07 PM »
thanks for all the helpful advice.  picked the ball up on the weekend and am going to get it drilled this week.  i think i'll go with a 5" Pin to PAP placed above Ring. Can't wait to give it a roll.
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Re: No Mercy Query
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2007, 08:15:46 AM »
The layouts on the NO MERCY are simple.  The pictures on the drill sheet give a rough estimate of how the layout would look.  If you take a look at the #1 most aggressive layout, you will see the pin next to the ring finger and HART left of thumb.  This pin location may put your PIN to PAP too close for a good reaction.  Now if you read the description that's above the layout, you will see the #1 aggressive layout says to put the pin 4" to 5" from the bowlers PAP.  For some bowlers having the pin 4" from there PAP ends up above their ring finger and not next to it!  For some the pin next to the ring may end up 2" to 3" from there PAP which will cause a early flare reaction that lays off on the back end.

The best way to use the drill sheet is to not look at the pictures.  Just read the instructions.  

Place the pin 4" or further from the bowlers PAP.  Then place the HART left of the bowlers thumb (for a right hander).  You can place the CG up to 1oz of negative side weight to get the HART in the correct location.

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Re: No Mercy Query
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2007, 09:05:19 AM »
Mine  came with 2.5 oz top wt.- 2.5 inch pin to C.G. -has the recommended drill - pin just right of ring, heart 1" left of thumb, ended with 1/4 ounce of negative side.  The C.G. was 7/8" left of pin - heart line. I have tried several surface adjustments - ended at 2000 abralon - no polish.  The line it likes is 15 at arrows to 10 at break - with very little hand - up the back.  High revs and more tilt make it impossible to keep it on the right side of the head pin.  Fall back shot is good, but no forgiveness -  my bowling center does not put out a shot that this ball likes.  The drill is too strong. - considered pin over bridge - but didn't want a balance hole on the left in  my track.  Aside from the initial reviews, and some problems with too much negative side killing the hook, this ball doesn't have a lot written about it.  And it could be that many of the bowlers found that the recommended drill is just too strong, even with polish.  It could be that it needs a much deeper line to be happy.  If I were getting another I would request a 4" pin with C.G. offset to the right 1 inch drilled pin over bridge....

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Re: No Mercy Query
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2007, 11:49:38 AM »
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Mine  came with 2.5 oz top wt.- 2.5 inch pin to C.G. -has the recommended drill - pin just right of ring, heart 1" left of thumb, ended with 1/4 ounce of negative side.  The C.G. was 7/8" left of pin - heart line. I have tried several surface adjustments - ended at 2000 abralon - no polish.  The line it likes is 15 at arrows to 10 at break - with very little hand - up the back.  High revs and more tilt make it impossible to keep it on the right side of the head pin.  Fall back shot is good, but no forgiveness -  my bowling center does not put out a shot that this ball likes.  The drill is too strong. - considered pin over bridge - but didn't want a balance hole on the left in  my track.  Aside from the initial reviews, and some problems with too much negative side killing the hook, this ball doesn't have a lot written about it.  And it could be that many of the bowlers found that the recommended drill is just too strong, even with polish.  It could be that it needs a much deeper line to be happy.  If I were getting another I would request a 4" pin with C.G. offset to the right 1 inch drilled pin over bridge....

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First, the negative side weight does not kill this balls reaction.  That is just plain false.

I have 3 NM's.  2 are drilled with the #6 layout.  Both of these balls have 1oz of negative side weight.  These Nm's have good mid-lane read and strong back end move.  Great ball for playing deep inside lines.  I have them at different cover preps.

My 3rd NM is drilled with the pin high above and a little right of the ring finger.  This ball get's more length but stronger on the back end than my other 2 NM's.  This is a version of the trick layout.

So if you get another NM and the pin/cg/hart are off set not in your favor then try the trick layout.  This will allow you to get the length your looking for with the HART in the correct location.


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Beano

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Re: No Mercy Query
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2007, 05:08:59 AM »
Got the No Mercy drilled today, 5" Pin to PAP, placing the Pin above my ring finger, and Hart just right of my thumb in my first oil ring (I'm a high tracker).  Ended up 3/4 ounce negative side weight.

took a few games to get the right line, revs and speed, but then started to see a great reaction - good length then a continuous arc in the back end, and struck 8 in a row in my 3rd game.

I'm very happy with the result and would like to thank everyone who posted advice, as it was all useful.