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Berreez

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Oil Ball
« on: July 24, 2012, 02:32:21 PM »
Hey Hammer Heads

A buddy of mine who is a low rev, low to med speed, and high track bowler is looking for an oil ball in the Hammer line. We were looking at the Arson but there doesn't seem to be a one just for heavy oil. I throw the Motvi line and them like many others, offers one. He wants to stay with hammer. Any suggestions?
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Re: Oil Ball
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2012, 03:58:22 PM »
What kind of motion is he looking for?

I've found my Jet Black to be stronger than my B/S, which is odd, but the snap off of friction the Jet Black gets is pretty scary.

But with lower speed/revs, the B/S might actually be the ball for him/her. If you can get your hands on an original Taboo, I'd suggest that. From what I've seen of other's bowling it's more arcing than snappy.

That's all from opinion/experience with the equipment though.

And from the other topics, it's looking like the new ball being revealed next month is going to be one to look at.

I'd suggest holding off til next month, though, really. So we can actually see what Hammer's putting out.
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Berreez

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Re: Oil Ball
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2012, 05:58:33 PM »
He doesn't have much hand. He plays mainly up the boards around the 7 board. He wants a smooth continuing arc. We looked at the one coming out and it is for med to med hvy. He all ready has the brick which is similar to it. I like the idea about the Taboo. I’ll try a see if there is one out there.
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Re: Oil Ball
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2012, 08:01:50 PM »
I agree that the original Taboo would be a good option. Bowler's Dream has them for $165, and there are a few new and used available on Ebay.

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Re: Oil Ball
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2012, 08:59:00 PM »
He doesn't have much hand. He plays mainly up the boards around the 7 board. He wants a smooth continuing arc. We looked at the one coming out and it is for med to med hvy. He all ready has the brick which is similar to it. I like the idea about the Taboo. I’ll try a see if there is one out there.

The Brick at 2000 grit was a pretty strong ball, for a low rev,  low-med speed bowler.
I wonder 2 things:
1. Is the Brick, being an asymmetric cored ball, drilled properly for his delivery/release specs?
2. Is he actually seeing so much oil that he needs a stronger ball OR, could it be that he's not seeing enough oil for the Brick and it's burning up early?
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Berreez

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Re: Oil Ball
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2012, 09:08:45 PM »
He doesn't have much hand. He plays mainly up the boards around the 7 board. He wants a smooth continuing arc. We looked at the one coming out and it is for med to med hvy. He all ready has the brick which is similar to it. I like the idea about the Taboo. I’ll try a see if there is one out there.

The Brick at 2000 grit was a pretty strong ball, for a low rev,  low-med speed bowler.
I wonder 2 things:
1. Is the Brick, being an asymmetric cored ball, drilled properly for his delivery/release specs?
2. Is he actually seeing so much oil that he needs a stronger ball OR, could it be that he's not seeing enough oil for the Brick and it's burning up early?

Good points. He did switch ball drillers and he told me the brick felt different. I also thought the same as you about burning up to early. I've watched him enough where I don't think that is the issue (this time). He really struggled in a state tournament where there was plenty of oil. I would say on a THS burning up could be an issue but I've tried to show him the tell - tell signs when that happens.
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Re: Oil Ball
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2012, 08:50:39 AM »

The Brick at 2000 grit was a pretty strong ball, for a low rev,  low-med speed bowler.
I wonder 2 things:
1. Is the Brick, being an asymmetric cored ball, drilled properly for his delivery/release specs?
2. Is he actually seeing so much oil that he needs a stronger ball OR, could it be that he's not seeing enough oil for the Brick and it's burning up early?

Good points. He did switch ball drillers and he told me the brick felt different. I also thought the same as you about burning up to early. I've watched him enough where I don't think that is the issue (this time). He really struggled in a state tournament where there was plenty of oil. I would say on a THS burning up could be an issue but I've tried to show him the tell - tell signs when that happens.

So I was going to suggest the Rhythm which is supposed to be just barely stronger, but is a symmetric core. Depending on how much more ball he needs and whether it's just for a once-in-a-while tournament, the Taboo series all have much stronger cores (the Black Widow Core), but they are asymmetrics and you know care must taken in drilling them properly for the desired reaction and the bowler's release. I think some Taboos have a 4000 grit surface but it is easy to taken any of them, down to a much stronger 1500 - 2000 grit range.
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Re: Oil Ball
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2012, 10:07:25 AM »
My biggest concerns are the fact that he is a low speed guy with a high track.  Unless you put weaker drillings, those ball with stronger cores will more than likely die before it gets to the pins.  A high track typically will make a ball want to rev up faster and the fact that he has a slower ball speed, a stronger ball may not be the best matchup.  My first thought, is to take something like a Freeze Solid or Freeze Hybrid and put a medium strength layout in it; not weak, but not strong either.  A low ball speed player wont want something strong unless he is bowling on 42+ feet of oil.  If his rev rate is fairly low, even a skid snap ball wont be a true skid snap because of the lower rev rate.

I am in agreeing with Charlest here.  With his profile, a stronger ball wont always equate to a stronger hook because he risks the ball dying by the time it gets to the pins.  In his case, a weaker ball will actually appear stronger because it is able to conserve more energy going down the lane and give him extra help on the backend of the lane.  The Freezes have a strong enough cover for most conditions he will see but a simple enough core that it wont want to roll too soon and quit.

Also......if he really wants Hammer, look into the Vibes.  The new Cobalt could be an excellent choice.
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Re: Oil Ball
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2012, 11:25:24 AM »
Have you tried adjusting the cover on the Arson? That ball is a great ball of the heavier patterns for me, but I do have some hand in my game.

Another recommendation would be the new Ratchet. The Ratchet is stronger down the lane than the Brick, which tends to roll too early for me, even with a weaker layout. The Ratchet gets through the front part of the lane better and offers a stronger midlane & more continuation in the backends than the Brick. I think your friend would LOVE this ball more than the Brick.

The original Taboo would be a good fit too, but the Gas Mask core is a strong rolling core and the cover on the original is a great cover that is easily tunable for any condition. I hope this helps in your friend's search. Let me know if you have any other questions!
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