Author Topic: Pin Question (Read 5944 times)

bigdawgwill44 · « **on:** February 28, 2008, 02:49:21 PM »

I'm ordering two balls online tomorrow and want to know what pin size i should go with. I'm ordering a BW Bite and a BW Pearl. I want these balls to flare so im thinking either a 2-3 inch pin? That sound reasonable?

bigdawgwill44 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 28, 2008, 11:27:25 PM »

If pin is below fingers, does that mean it will be more aggressive?

bluerrpilot · « **Reply #2 on:** February 29, 2008, 07:46:36 AM »

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I want these balls to flare so im thinking either a 2-3 inch pin? That sound reasonable?

pin to cg distance has nothing to do with how much the ball will flare
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bigdawgwill44 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 29, 2008, 09:38:09 AM »

So from what i have gathered from these posts, i'd be safe ordering a 2-3 inch pin, correct?

CoachJim · « **Reply #4 on:** February 29, 2008, 09:45:59 AM »

Order a 1-2" pin for pin under fingers 2-3 for Rico or on fingerline drilling, 3-4 for over fingers 4-5 for tommy Jones type drilling with pin near val.

bigdawgwill44 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 29, 2008, 12:10:27 PM »

Ok i am still confused over all of this and I'm sorry. Basically, i want to get a BW bite and use it as my medium heavy ball and it will fit under my hammer raw anger which is the heavy oiler. I want the ball to be a monster and was planning on going by the aggressive drilling instructions on hammer's website, drilling #3 or #5. I also want the BW Pearl, which i will be using as my medium oil ball, and will be below the Bite in the arsenal. Same thing, i want it to be aggressive. I am a tweener you could say, i throw around 16 mph. I like to play in the middle, throw it right, and have it come back to the pocket. I hope this helps at all with what kind of pin size i should be looking at. Thanks for responding, i really do appreciate it.

chitown · « **Reply #6 on:** February 29, 2008, 12:56:37 PM »

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Ok i am still confused over all of this and I'm sorry. Basically, i want to get a BW bite and use it as my medium heavy ball and it will fit under my hammer raw anger which is the heavy oiler. I want the ball to be a monster and was planning on going by the aggressive drilling instructions on hammer's website, drilling #3 or #5. I also want the BW Pearl, which i will be using as my medium oil ball, and will be below the Bite in the arsenal. Same thing, i want it to be aggressive. I am a tweener you could say, i throw around 16 mph. I like to play in the middle, throw it right, and have it come back to the pocket. I hope this helps at all with what kind of pin size i should be looking at. Thanks for responding, i really do appreciate it.

Here's why I think your getting confused. When you buy a bowling ball they will come with specs. These specs are "TOP WEIGHT" and "PIN OUT" distance. The "PIN OUT" distance is not the same thing as drilling the ball with the PIN x# of inches from your PAP! "PIN OUT" distance is the distance between the PIN and CG which is measured in inches.

If you buy a bowling ball and it has a small "PIN OUT" distance of like 1-2" then it will be a little more difficult to drill the ball with the PIN above the fingers because of the static weights.

I hope this makes a little bit of sense to you?

bigdawgwill44 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 29, 2008, 01:23:38 PM »

yes it is beginning to make more sense. So if you were in my shoes, with the information i have provided, would you suggest going with a 2-3 inch pin?

chitown · « **Reply #8 on:** February 29, 2008, 01:44:09 PM »

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yes it is beginning to make more sense. So if you were in my shoes, with the information i have provided, would you suggest going with a 2-3 inch pin?

I prefer to buy bowling balls with 3 to 4" pin out distances. I only use pin above the fingers type layouts. I never use pin below the fingers. If your wanting to have your bowling balls laid out with the pin below the fingers then a shorter "pin out distance" would be better. If your planning to use pin above the fingers type layouts then it's better to have longer "pin out distances".

bigdawgwill44 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 29, 2008, 02:33:55 PM »

refresh me on the difference of pin above and pin below

azguy · « **Reply #10 on:** February 29, 2008, 02:39:34 PM »

Pin above = pin above fingers

Pin below = pin below fingers

Pin can also be equal to or just to the right (or left for a lefty) of the fingers.

Point here, if you order a 1-2 or 2-3 inch pin distance, you MAY be limiting your drill where a 3-4 inch pin distance does not limit your drill unless you already plan on putting the pin under the fingers, then go with a 2-3 inch pin.

JMO
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bigdawgwill44 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 29, 2008, 03:03:49 PM »

let me rephrase the question, if pin is above fingers, how does it differ from pin below fingers reaction wise? are there ideal difference for different players?

bluerrpilot · « **Reply #12 on:** February 29, 2008, 03:17:51 PM »

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let me rephrase the question, if pin is above fingers, how does it differ from pin below fingers reaction wise? are there ideal difference for different players?

The farther you move the pin from the grip center, or the closer to VAL, the faster it responds to friction.

Longer distance from GC to Pin = sharp, angular, fast response to friction

Shorter distance from GC to Pin = smooth, arcy, slower response to friction
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2008 USBC Nationals
ABQ, NM

"USBC is concerned that technology has overtaken player skill in determining success in the sport of bowling"

bigdawgwill44 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 29, 2008, 03:27:26 PM »

so a longer pin will be more angular?

chitown · « **Reply #14 on:** February 29, 2008, 05:47:49 PM »

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so a longer pin will be more angular?

I know this can be hard to understand for someone who doesn't know much about ball layouts.

Do you know what a PIN is?

Do you currently own a bowling ball?

Where is the PIN located on your bowling ball? Is the pin next to the ring finger? Is the pin above the ring finger? Is the pin below the ring finger ect... ?

I think it will be easier to explain this too you if we had an idea of what you do know about bowling ball layouts.

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