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HackJandy

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Suggested surfaces for arsenal?
on: May 17, 2017, 07:33:00 PM
Recently got back into bowling and have built a bit of mishmash of an arsenal (promised wife no more balls for awhile) I am looking for advice for surfaces on.  Pretty much a low rev medium speed stroker who right now is mostly doing open bowling THS to get consistent and back in shape but am looking to do league in the fall (reputation here in Southwest unless you do Sports pattern league not getting heavy oil generally) and perhaps a few tournaments.  Also decided to go full out and currently waiting for a ball spinner to arrive so I will be able to change surface at a will.

(Edit:  forgot to mention all drilled pin up except for SB which is pin down)

Hammer Scandal Pearl - 15lb
Burgundy Hammer - 15lb (new version, vastly underrated benchmark ball IMO)
Lane #1 Stealth Bomber Solid - 15lb (falling in love with Hammer but would be a sawhead if company wasn't dying, found them too late).
Brunswick BVP Rampage - 15 lb (old and beat to hell but still rolls decent, thinking for resurfacing the crap out of that one and going with a 4000 polished dry weak pearl ball maybe)
Viz-a-Ball World - 14lb (plastic ball for spares, and very dry).
Last Edit: May 17, 2017, 08:02:12 PM by HackJandy
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Re: Suggested surfaces for arsenal?
Reply #1 on: May 17, 2017, 08:09:49 PM
It's all trial and error to see what works best for you. I'd definitely do a resurface on the Rampage as that can be a very good ball on lighter conditions.
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Re: Suggested surfaces for arsenal?
Reply #2 on: May 17, 2017, 11:21:32 PM
Yeah sadly did too much reading of reviews instead of talking to regular bowlers or wouldn't have so many strong pieces.  Love hammer and will make it work and like a somewhat unique collection (really dig on Burgundy hammer being its such a versatile unique smooth roller and is like half the cost of the scandal and other than seeming to wear a bit faster without the carbon fiber cover its better as well for most conditions at least for me) but after seeing all the love for Storm IQ Tours and Hy-roads maybe a tiny bit of buyers remorse.  Looks like a lot of higher grit and polish in my future but working on my form more important than over worrying about equipment I suppose.
Last Edit: May 17, 2017, 11:36:12 PM by HackJandy
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Re: Suggested surfaces for arsenal?
Reply #3 on: May 17, 2017, 11:57:21 PM
Is the burgundy stronger than the Stealth?
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Re: Suggested surfaces for arsenal?
Reply #4 on: May 18, 2017, 12:34:02 AM
On the house conditions I have encountered at least the way I throw I would say yes (haven't seen either in true heavy oil I believe).  Not sure if the Stealth is burning up (stealth is an oiler and my ability to recognize what my ball is doing is a real weakness I need to work on).  The only caveat is I have been messing with changing surfaces by hand on both balls and coupled with my  inconsistent mechanics I am addressing I might need some more games to know for sure.  The Burgundy is definitely more versatile and predictable.  My guess is I am probably going to go back to factory 500 grit on the Burgundy (coverstock some weird urethane and reactive mix so grit has less affect than most balls but will enable it to handle medium light through medium heavy conditions).  But will probably add polish as that piece starts hooking at your feet (constant arc all way down, think urethane on serious steroids).  The stealth bomber I am probably going to take back to factory NEAT 1500 (pretty close to that now) and keep for rare long oil and tournaments (not like will be able to replace that one here pretty soon either).  I like the bomber and the core competes with nearly anything modern but the five year old coverstock means I would say its like a bit weaker Gauntlet (strong heavy oil hybrid asymmetrics) so it might up being more versatile later when I get my mechanics under control.
Last Edit: May 18, 2017, 01:06:56 AM by HackJandy
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Re: Suggested surfaces for arsenal?
Reply #5 on: May 18, 2017, 06:39:28 AM
Try some trail and error with the scandal, its a really good piece
Start with 500+ polish and see what happens, go up in grit level until you get the motion you're looking for.
With this ball, it will be about where or how early it sees friction
2000 + polish might be the sweet spot.
There are some low end, lower priced EBI pieces being released on 6/8 that would fit the bill for a low price, but still god performance if you can't get any of the other pieces to work.
I stick to a price point and go from there when selecting new pieces to add to the arsenal.
There are plenty of option out there for under $150.00
lots of ball and low price - Gamebreaker series.
very popular and proven pieces
GB2, GB2 Phenom are the 2 I would look at. (GB2 phenom pearl has alot of rave reviews, it did not work for me)
$115.00 most places.
https://www.bowlersmart.com/bowling-gear/bowling-balls/ebonite-bowling-balls

step up for me is the sideswipe solid, really good motion for me, super predictable
$135 bucks

cyclone series, lots of ball for a lower price, $79 bucks most places

Enjoy the spinner though, that alone was a far better investment than 5 new bowling balls IMO
Last Edit: May 18, 2017, 06:55:59 AM by Dave81644

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Re: Suggested surfaces for arsenal?
Reply #6 on: May 18, 2017, 09:15:01 AM
Good suggestions.  Actually for the Scandal Pearl (which I brought back to pseudo factory) I am probably going to end up knocking the polish off and going up to 3000 or so.  It is already one of the longest hammer balls out there and since my break point control is still a bit iffy, predictability and ability to handle THS is the name of the game for now (being able to change surfaces at will is so nice).  Being a bit older now unlike my younger self price sensitivity is less an issue than managing my body and not having bowling balls laying around the closet.  Only can handle a 3 ball carrier so looks like burgundy hammer, scandal pearl (for after lanes start to transition) and spare ball for foreseeable future unless I do tournaments. Will say often at the mid to even lower price points though you can often find balls that match up better with most house conditions by being less aggressive and with heavy or long oil being a rarity in my area.  Like I said I guess I will worry about trading or selling balls after I get my release and swing plane consistent and if still having problems with equipment not finding the pocket or crossing over.
Last Edit: May 18, 2017, 09:20:44 AM by HackJandy
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Re: Suggested surfaces for arsenal?
Reply #7 on: May 18, 2017, 09:25:02 AM
Scandal pearl, burgundy hammer and plastic sounds pretty good for a ths arsenal.
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Re: Suggested surfaces for arsenal?
Reply #8 on: May 22, 2017, 10:48:00 PM
Actually to finish off my arsenal (and avoid a divorce lol) decided to go with a 15lb blue hammer as my spare/dry ball.  Oddball arsenal and most impressive of all to me is no Storm stuff lol (first to admit they have some killer balls though, used to have a Storm Shift but alas garage claimed it).  Probably turn out 90% of time I will only use blue and burgundy hammer despite it all (complete sucker for smooth rolling pieces).  What I would probably recommend to any one looking for a two ball collection under $200 that will cover just about any lane condition.  Faball nostalgia ain't bad (and cheaper than Visionary stuff).


Hammer Scandal Pearl - 15lb - pin up
Burgundy Hammer - 15lb - pin up
Lane #1 Stealth Bomber Solid - 15lb - pin down
Brunswick BVP Rampage - 15 lb (finally resurfaced this one and its sweet for medium dry conditions) - pin up
Viz-a-Ball World - 14lb (plastic ball for spares, and very dry, benched for time being).
Blue Hammer - 15lb - (new spare/dry ball) - thinking pin up
C300 EPX T1 - 15lb - (not sure if will sale or drill in future but had to have the only epoxy ball ever)
Last Edit: May 22, 2017, 11:47:17 PM by HackJandy
Faball Burgundy, Blue, Black Hammers
Faball Red Razor 
AMF Sumo
AMF Gunsmoke Cobra
Visionary The Crow
Visionary Ogre Urethane
C300 EPX T1 and some boring reactives