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Beano

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Venom Resurface Issues
« on: March 06, 2009, 10:01:47 AM »
I recently resurfaced my Venom for the new season, following the Hammer website instructions of 500 (then de-oiling it), 1000, 2000, 4000 grit abralon, and then the Factory Finish polish, and was surprised to find i'd almost turned it into a spare ball.

has anyone else had problems with this, and how have they found the best way to keep the ball close to the OOB finish, which was killing it for me last year.

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J_Mac

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Re: Venom Resurface Issues
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2009, 07:04:40 PM »
Too much polish in combination with too much pressure on a spinner will turn almost any ball into a spare ball.

charlest

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Re: Venom Resurface Issues
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2009, 09:48:54 PM »
Basically, if 4000 grit Abralon pad finishes a ball with any shine at all, you used too much pressure or the pad was too worn already. A 4000 Abralon pad shoul dfinish a ball and leave it with a dull or matte appearance. Not the least suspicion of a shine.

If the result of a sanding with a 4000 Abralon pad has any shine whatsoeevr, it is too worn to be used again. Matte implies there is ZERO, no reflection of light at all.

Then apply a light coating of the Ebo Factory Finish polish.

If you have a spare ball, you went too far in any one of the intermediate or final sanding steps OR the polish step.

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charlest

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Re: Venom Resurface Issues
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2009, 09:25:32 AM »
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When I first got my Venon it hooked like crazy on the backend, but after about 50-60 games it quit hooking. I took it down to 360 and de-oiled, applied 1000, 2000 and factory polish, it still had no hook.  Applied 4000, then factory polish, still no hook, applied 4000 no polish and got it to hook a little, nothing like when it was new. I think it is dead.


How did you de-oil it?
These balls soak up an incredible amount of oil.
If you used the hot water bath, you might have needed to do this 3 or 4 times or more. The dishwasher method is probably better & safer, but the best AND SAFEST is the Revivor oven that some pro shops have.
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Tom

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Re: Venom Resurface Issues
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2009, 10:21:47 PM »
Words of wisdom from Charlest,

“How did you de-oil it?
These balls soak up an incredible amount of oil.
If you used the hot water bath, you might have needed to do this 3 or 4 times or more. The dishwasher method is probably better & safer, but the best AND SAFEST is the Revivor oven that some pro shops have.

“When I use a 4000 abralon pad, it looks matte or dull, never shined, UNLESS the pad is used and too much used. Then using it will put a light shine on the ball.”

“Like you, I have used a 4000 pad and got a shiny result using a pad I THOUGHT was still good. The results say otherwise, so I throw the pad away or use the back as an applicator.”
“Never use more pressure or more spinning time than absolutely necessary. You can always do more. You can't go backwards. You always have to start from scratch if it's wrong. A 4000 grit Abralon pad producing a shine is wrong.”
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I throw all Hammer and Ebonite balls. Both of the leagues I bowl in are sport shot leagues with balls that wick oil like a sea sponge. Because of the cost of abralon abrasive pads I have been guilty of using them past the optimum grit life.
After reading Charlest posts about a 4000 abralon finish being dull and a dishwasher bath being in order, I took my No Mercy and Black Widow Bite down to 500 grit for a trip to the spa. After the dishwasher treatment I brought them back up to 4000 Grit with a much lighter hand pressure on the spinner. Low and behold I was able to achieve a 4000 grit surface without the shine I normally end up with.
The house I bowl at lays down a sport shot Tuesdays and Fridays for pre and makeup bowling along with bowlers interested in testing out a more challenging shot. This week was the Viper. I rolled the No Mercy for 3 games 637 and the Bite for one game 213. I had been averaging in the 190’s so I was very happy with the results.
Lesson learned: Dishwasher or Revivor treatments. Light hand pressure and less spin time when surfacing balls. When in doubt about the condition of an Abralon pad, use a new one.
Like many of you I have been resurfacing balls and bowling for years and years. It’s funny how complacent one can become and over look the accentual processes in maintaining the new high tec bowling equipment. My wife is low maintenance compared to these darn high tec balls.

Charlest, thanks for the reality check!!!          

charlest

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Re: Venom Resurface Issues
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2009, 10:26:24 PM »
Tom,

Congratulations on the great bowling!!

Glad the new treatment worked out for you.
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Beano

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Re: Venom Resurface Issues
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2009, 02:05:23 AM »
thanks for the advice everyone.  i actually took to the Venom with 4000 abralon lightly by hand over the polish, and it did the trick - the ball is rolling nicely and reacting where it should.

will keep the extra tips in mind for next time though.

Beano
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