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keeones23

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Widows w/gas mask vs Jet black w/gas mask
« on: March 31, 2015, 05:38:27 PM »
Since the original black widow came out I have purchased most every ball in the line. Each new release in the widow line has always been popular in my area and I've seen a lot of people have a lot of success. However, I have not been having the same luck. For me, I'm mediocre at best with the gas mask in the widows. Then I tried the Jet Black Taboo and that ball was money for me. Unfortunately I sold my JBT as it had seen better days. I can't find anything for the life of me that rolls like that one did for me. Did the coverstock really make that much of a difference? I usually leave my equipment OOB unless I really think I'm on to something.
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Re: Widows w/gas mask vs Jet black w/gas mask
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2015, 06:13:06 PM »
Since the original black widow came out I have purchased most every ball in the line. Each new release in the widow line has always been popular in my area and I've seen a lot of people have a lot of success. However, I have not been having the same luck. For me, I'm mediocre at best with the gas mask in the widows. Then I tried the Jet Black Taboo and that ball was money for me. Unfortunately I sold my JBT as it had seen better days. I can't find anything for the life of me that rolls like that one did for me. Did the coverstock really make that much of a difference? I usually leave my equipment OOB unless I really think I'm on to something.

IIRC, the Deep Purple Taboo was nearly the same as the Jet Black, with the JB being smoother in its roll, so you could get away with the DP, but as those are getting a bit harder to find, your pickings may be slim..

Others may have a better say, but have you looked at the Red Widow Legend? I'm not entirely sure how it would compare to the JBT, but it is supposed to be smoother down the lane than the BWL and BWA.

Perhaps others will chime in on this.

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Re: Widows w/gas mask vs Jet black w/gas mask
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2015, 06:19:16 PM »
It is quite possible that the coverstock made the difference for you. This is especially true if all balls were drilled with the same layout. Also surface prep is quite important as over the life of this core Hammer used many different technique to produce their OOB finishes. As far as a possible replacement goes, I would try a BW Legend resurfaced to match factory finish on the Taboo.




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Re: Widows w/gas mask vs Jet black w/gas mask
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2015, 10:29:30 PM »
I think you will find the new Red Legend pretty close to the Jet Black Taboo in clean thru the fronts, but the Red Legend has a little more pop in the backends with the Pearl cover. I have drilled up a lot of the Red Legends in my area for all styles of bowlers & they all love how clean it is thru the fronts with a nice backend recovery!

I would recommend the Red Legend as a replacement for the JB Taboo if you cannot find another.
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Re: Widows w/gas mask vs Jet black w/gas mask
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2015, 10:45:00 AM »
I would think that the Red Legend is more angular when it makes it move on the backend. But it is extremely clean through the fronts. The one thing of note though is that the Red Legend has a pearl coverstock while the Jet Black has a reactive coverstock.

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Re: Widows w/gas mask vs Jet black w/gas mask
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2015, 12:08:13 PM »
I have found the exact opposite is true for me. I can't get the JBT to give me a good reaction on the back like I like, but I can with the Purple or Blue/silver taboo.Which is probably why I have 3 more of those in Nib and my black taboo collects dust in my closet

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Re: Widows w/gas mask vs Jet black w/gas mask
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2015, 04:57:19 PM »
I actually had the deep purple too and it was ok, it hooked quite a bit and it was pretty smooth. At that time though I think I was using my roto defiant for the type of roll I got out of the purple taboo. As for the red legend, I have put some thought into getting one, however, I was hoping to find something with a solid coverstock just in thinking that a solid coverstock would be easier to replicate the roll of the JBT..but I will keep the red legend in mind. In the mean time I ordered a ALFS and a Bad Intentions in my search to replace my beloved JBT.
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Re: Widows w/gas mask vs Jet black w/gas mask
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2015, 07:46:14 PM »
Just saw a brand new great spec Jet Black Taboo 15 lb, new one in my closet!

Getting ready to drill my Legend maybe.....Maybe I should sell the JBT?

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Re: Widows w/gas mask vs Jet black w/gas mask
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2015, 12:08:58 PM »
I'm not a Hammer guy, but would be curious to know.....

DId they happen to switch the orientation of the core?

Example I use to bowl with the Rhino Pro, and did not like it.
I bought the T2 and loved it.  Both had the same layout, both
had a lightbulb core, but I found out the core was flipped 180 degrees in the T2.

Just curious if they did something similar here.

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Re: Widows w/gas mask vs Jet black w/gas mask
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2015, 12:32:48 PM »
Nothing different in regards to the core... They did lower the Diff .02 difference (which is the flare amount)... the new carbon fiber outer core really helps the impact of the newer Hammer balls. In my opinion, the CB keeps the pins lower from what I have seen in various styles of bowlers.

With the Carbon Fiber, Hammer has a 3 year warrantee on the newer balls, which I think is a great added value for the end consumer!

The newer coverstocks are helping the ball react better to today's slicker lane patterns on the various tournaments using the Kegel ICE oil.
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Re: Widows w/gas mask vs Jet black w/gas mask
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2015, 12:47:45 PM »
I think you will find the new Red Legend pretty close to the Jet Black Taboo in clean thru the fronts, but the Red Legend has a little more pop in the backends with the Pearl cover. I have drilled up a lot of the Red Legends in my area for all styles of bowlers & they all love how clean it is thru the fronts with a nice backend recovery!

I would recommend the Red Legend as a replacement for the JB Taboo if you cannot find another.

Agreed. I have both balls myself, drilled exactly the same way. But there was something about the JB Taboo that was really forgiving for me. The Red Legend is very similar, not quite the same.

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Re: Widows w/gas mask vs Jet black w/gas mask
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2015, 09:31:13 AM »
Hammer still offers the JBT...why not just buy a new one?

http://www.hammerbowling.com/products/balls/taboo-jet-black


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Re: Widows w/gas mask vs Jet black w/gas mask
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2015, 11:10:41 AM »
 Or wait.  Heard some say there is a solid cover red widow coming. Bill O'Neill was supposedly using one just a couple of days ago, but hadn't been announced/released publicly yet.
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Re: Widows w/gas mask vs Jet black w/gas mask
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2015, 11:22:13 AM »
Cover finish is the bigger focus. The Taboo or the Black Widow Legends are going to be almost identical if you adjust the covers to the same finish. If it doesnt work at OOB it is good to know some surface finishes that work well for you to adjust to. Like 500/1000 or 500/1000/2000 ect
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Re: Widows w/gas mask vs Jet black w/gas mask
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2015, 04:42:45 PM »
Oh,,,,in our Wet/Dry House that JBT is JUMPY!

Only the best lofters and high speed guys can keep that explosive pill into the pocket ball after ball!

For a strong wet dry the original Black Legend looks very smooth and yet strong!

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