Post by: admin on December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM
EXECUTIONER. The ball is available immediately and cleared for PBA regional
competition beginning January 12 and national competition January 15. This
new ball is equipped with a tweaked version of the Green Pearl Gargoyle
cover stock, but encasing a totally new - low RG core. When the oil is a
little too long for the Green Gargoyle, the Executioner will rev easier and
recover sooner than the Green Gargoyle due to the low RG and medium
differential. Color: Red Pearl; Hardness: 75-78; Low RG = 2.49" RG
Differential = 0.045"
Post by: Slick_ML on February 12, 2001, 11:28:45 PM
Post by: BuddiesProShopcom - Bill on May 01, 2001, 10:10:17 AM
I noticed that this ball is a great compliment to the Gargoyle line. The Green Gargoyle goes long, and reaction strong, and the Granite Gargoyle is early rolling with a even roll throughout the lane. The Executioner is a ball that fits in the middle of both of these ball. The Executioner has a smooth but strong middle lane reaction.
We have drilled the Executioner in a variety of ways and it has worked well in everyone's hand. I would say that this ball is as good as most of the larger companies ball with a medium arcing reaction.
The thing that most people notice right away with this ball is the way the ball is able to rip the pocket. The Visionary line has great hitting power.
On a scale of 1-10, I would give this ball an 8. It is a great ball for bowlers looking for something to get down the lanes, when the heads start to dry and give you great smooth, controlled break to the pocket. The Executioner will fit into a large variety of bowler's hands.
If you have any questions, please email me at Bill@buddiesproshop.com
Thanks
Bill
Post by: Tweener on June 11, 2001, 09:51:02 AM
med to med high revs about 17 mph
Drilling
Drillings (http://"http://www.visionarybowling.com/DRILLf.html")
The drilling I use is called Leverage Drilling
surface
Right out of the box
Opinion
This ball has a great backend reaction. This ball rolls forever it seems but it comes back real nice. A few times I threw it and said no way it is coming back and to my surprise it comes back and kills the pocket. This has become my
favorite ball for all conditions except for heavy oil in the heads and heavy carry down.
The ball seems to not work well when the heads have too much oil. It will slide too far out and it will try its darnest to get back to the pocket, but it just slides too fat out. This might be easily remedied by sanding or scotchbrite the ball. I probably will not do this to this ball since I want it for med oil.
I would rate this ball 9.5 out of 10
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Post by: Thumbless on August 22, 2001, 04:25:15 PM
As the moniker states, I'm a thumbless bowler, so high revs, high track with medium speed.
I am VERY confused by this ball. I wanted something that started up a little earlier and finished a tad harder than my Green Gargoyle, which is drilled exactly the same. I believe all but one reviewer stated that this ball did just that. And from the lower RG, higher differential, and basically same shell, you would think the Executioner would do that. But mine hooks LESS than the Gargoyle. Its backend is LESS than the Gargoyle. The shell also feels slicker.
But ... I LOVE this ball. It is the most predictable, even arcing resin ball I've ever thrown. It just lays down this nice big beautiful arc from your hand to the pocket. I don't understand it, but I'm not complaining. This is the first ball out of my bag because it reads the lane so well. And it hits just like the Gargoyle - hard. Great for medium conditions. 9.5/10
Post by: strike12 on September 28, 2001, 02:33:26 PM
The Executioner is probably my favorite with both Gargoyle's close behind. Not only does it look great but it has awesome hitting power. I am a right-hander with medium speed and rotation. I usually stand around 23-25 and and target 9-14 depending on lane conditions. The ball has a 2-3 once top wait and a 2-3" pin. I went for a differnt drilling on this ball then the paper work suggested. I had the pin put about an inch above and between the fingers and the CG in the middle of my palm. Man does this ball and drilling rev up and rev up fast. The guy at the pro-shop said it would mellow out the backend since my Gargoyle are set for an extreme backend. Well I have to say it did a little but this ball will jump. I have missed my mark my 2 or 3 boards to the right and the ball still screams back and pounds the pocket. It hits as hard as the Gargoyles and I have picked up a number of half-hits that my old AMF Nighthawks would not. The only problem I tend to have once in a while is leaving a solid 9, the ball revs sometimes so much that it just spins right by it.
Out of the 4 balls I now carry with me (all Visionary (Both Gargoyle's, Executioner, and Scorcher)) this is the first out of the bag. I can not wait till the new Executioner is released to purchase, I will be one of the first on the list. I would recommend this ball to anyone; it handles almost any house shot better then any ball out there I have seen. Definatly a 10 out of 10 on this one.
Post by: Blindstag on November 29, 2001, 04:20:23 PM
I have to work on the thumb a little but for now will review as is and post another review in a few weeks. The ball goes down to about 40 - 45 feet and goes left. I was trying to work out the break point for the ball and trying to stay consistent so I didn't see the midlane reaction but my team mates said the ball was reving its heart out in the mid lane. I was standing 20 and throwing the ball out through 10 to about 7 or 6 board. The ball is nothing sort of fantastic, I have to throw it correctly (a problem with the bowler not the ball). When it hit the pocket it just cleaned everything of the deck. I hit a couple of light shots that carried where I did not expect to carry the only problem with this ball was that I found if I hit mid pocket and ripped the five I left some spectacular 7 pins.
All in all a great ball from visionary - my first - and I think after this one the first of many more. A rating 9 out of 10 and only nine because I think when the heads fry I will be putting this baby back in the bag.
Post by: david w clenna jr on January 05, 2002, 11:10:51 AM
in 4-5 in from pap cg2in from pap surface
ut box condition....well i had this ball for about 3 1/2 mo..got it from buddies pro shop.so i finally got around to drill this ball and here it is it's january!!what was i thinking about!Anyways i've been having a lot of success with the virus by NU-LINE.so,i decided to try my executioner.they oiled the lanes 35 feet,medium 10 to 10 with descent backends(synthetics thurs morning league).the ball gets through the heads pretty easy and revs up nice in the midlane,and when the ball found the dry area the pin carry and power was just super....it takes out the corner pins with no problem.this is a great medium oil ball.definately not the kind for heavy oil for sure..catch it on the right condition light-medium you will score pretty high with it no doubt...232-246-279 not bad first time out.
Great ball from visionary 9.5(10)
Post by: STRIKEMASTER on January 12, 2002, 06:19:49 PM
I drilled my crimson excecutioner with the pin directly centered above
my fingers and the CG slightly offset to give me approximately 1/2 ounce of
sideweight. I bowled with this ball sright up 5 board and could bowl all through my three games of league with little or no adjustment. In the heavier oil in the middle I had to slow the ball down or it would not make it back. For light oil or wet/dry this ball is excellent and will not disappoint any who is looking for a good value and a hard hitting ball.
Post by: lander0 on February 07, 2002, 12:49:51 PM
Brent Couch
test staff
Post by: walker300 on February 27, 2002, 01:58:49 AM
Mike Walker
Post by: proconnor on March 26, 2002, 12:17:36 PM
The ball has a pin 2-3 and was drilled for leverage. I bowl with medium speed and medium revs. This ball turns hard to the pocket and very seldom leaves ten pins (right handed). This is a very good ball for the price (for those who are price conscious).
I have recently purchased a Charcol Executioner for when the lanes are soaked and will post a review shortly.
All in all great ball 9 out of 10.
Good luck and good bowling
Post by: captainhook on April 29, 2002, 11:35:27 AM
Post by: MichiganBowling on June 05, 2002, 11:51:33 PM
Update: Still awesome! Gets a solid A grade on this bowling scale. 97%
Post by: kingpin-lfy on July 16, 2002, 03:31:27 PM
Post by: Jish on October 20, 2002, 07:36:39 AM
Before I start my review, here are my stats. I am right handed, deliver the ball approx. 15 to 16mph, axis rotation is about 20 or 30 deg. average hand and play more down and in unless the lanes are dry then can usually swing the ball somewhat. My pap is 5 1/4" over by 7/8" up.
Now on to my review. I picked this as 1 of my four balls because of the low rg and medium flare hoping to have a ball that would rev up earlier in the mid lane and control the break point while still getting down the lane with ease. The ball had a 2 1/2" pin and 2.80ozs. of top weight. I drilled the ball 4 1/2" by 4 1/2", pin under ring finger, cg just below the mid line and no weight hole. The ball does just what I wanted it to. Using it in two houses, one synthetic and one wood with overlay in the first 18ft. the ball gets down the lane with no problem but does still need a little head oil, starts to rev up in the early mid lane, transitions smoothly from the oil into the dry, and gives a strong arc to the pocket. The hit and carry of this ball is awesome. Only thing I found confusing was as some others have said, this ball gave me less overall hook than the green gargoyle (review to come). Could be in part because of the drillings but either way the ball is exactly what I wanted. Contol, hit and carry. This ball is a winner in my bag.
Post by: Bill Ruehl on November 04, 2002, 02:57:18 PM
Post by: omegabowler on November 12, 2002, 09:16:28 AM
Right handed
Med. Speed/Med revs
10-30 deg tilt/ 10-30 deg rotation
Ball:
Executioner (Crimson)
3†pin
15#
3oz top
Drill:
Stacked leverage.
3- 6†of track flare
Lane conditions:
House #1: 38’ med oil, OB 25’. Anywhere from 3 game to 30 games. League house.
House #2 32’ heavy oil fresh to well used. Practice house.
With this drilling the ball has a mid-lane breakpoint. The overall reaction of the ball is a med strong arc to the pocket. The ball reads the mid-lane very well on med-light shots. On a fresh shot it jumps a little bit if you miss left. But it has great recovery when you miss right. You can take advantage of a short heavy wall shot with this ball unlike anything I have thrown before. 15 out to 5 bumping off the dry and it will turn left with a nice medium sweeping arc crushing the pins.
When I use this ball I can count the number of washouts and tenpins on one hand. Due to slight tug in my game I leave more 4 pins than 10 pins. But that is me, not the ball. This is the second of four balls I have drilled from my membership. Bottom line is I would buy this ball again because it is the first out of the bag.
Post by: aurorabowler on November 14, 2002, 10:05:11 AM
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Post by: roystriker on December 22, 2002, 07:16:02 PM
Weight: 15.15#
Top Wt: 2.24 oz
Pin: 3"
I had this ball drilled stacked leverage (3 3/8 X 3 3/8) just like my Charcoal Executioner (CharX). I wanted this ball as a transition ball for when my CharX reads the lane too soon. The pearlized coverstock allows me to get through the heads and further down the lane with a strong backend reaction. Just like its darker brother, the Crimson Executioner hits the pocket with devastating power.
The ball does lose some strength in the backend when it encounters carrydown, but other than that, this ball does exactly what I need it to do. The Crimson Executioner is an excellent medium to medium-dry lane condition ball. Another 10 out of 10 in my book. My advice to anyone looking for new equipment, DO NOT OVERLOOK VISIONARY.
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Leroy H.
roystriker@verizon.net
Visionary Test Staff Member
Post by: L7H2N on January 02, 2003, 10:33:33 AM
Heavy Hand type bowler (tend to snap wrist at end of release).
Axis rotation is up around 45 degrees.
Drilling: "Short Stack" (10:30 Leverage). Pin is next to left ring finger. CG is left 2 inches from center of palm. Counter hole drilled 3/4 diameter, 1 1/2 inches deep - 4 inches from center of palm.
Lane Type: House shot (BRC-Cedar Creek).
I left the surface factory (1500 polished). I like to set up on the approach with my feet centered on the 23rd board, and have the break point at the 8th board. I found that this angle to be very effective. Unless there is another left-handed bowler on the pair, I do not have to move from this shot until middle of the 3rd game and typically only 1/2-1 board right to finish the game. I found this ball to be my 1st ball followed by the Green Gargoyle.
When I find the lanes a bit heavy in the front, I will move left to straighten the line towards the pocket, a more down and in shot (Feet at 17th board, break point at 9th board). However, with this straighter shot, I tend to leave more 7 pins. I will go to my Green Gargoyle in the same position but push the break point to the 5th board (the drilling is set up more snappy on the backends).
When I find the lanes a bit drier in the front, I will move right to tighten the shot. I will try to have the ball stay in the center where the oil tends to be the heaviest and have little break in the back (Feet at 39th board, break point on the 15th board). I have to really work on release, otherwise I will leave nasty splits. If I find myself unable to "zero" in on my shot I will use the Green Gargoyle in the same position but send the break point out to the 10th board.
I recently joined the Test membership (Blue Sparkle gryphon, Purple Ice Executioner, Charcoal Executioner, and Granite Gargoyle). I just had the Purple Ice drilled like the Crimson Executioner ("short stack"). Once I have rolled enough games I will give a review.
Post by: CRL77 on March 29, 2003, 04:49:12 PM
Post by: MOUTH BOY on May 12, 2003, 06:09:43 PM
visionary staff member, who is looking forward into doing a lot more business with visionary.
Post by: WARRIOR on July 09, 2003, 04:47:08 AM
Christian J.H. Jensen
Visionary Test Staff
Post by: A_P_K on July 25, 2003, 02:55:55 PM
I purchased this ball NIB from E-bay for a measly $65, and that was a steal for what this ball can do.
I tested this ball on two different conditions, the first was open bowling on sythetic lanes. The condition was dry and pretty horrible over all, but I wanted to see how it would react to the drier since it was a medium to dry lane ball. The second condition was on league conditions, where the oil is above medium and long with a ton of carrydown.
Well, this ball has an unbelievable midlane roll, and with the way I drilled it on the first condition the ball only went about 30 ft before it turned over. Although this ball is very strong in the midlane for a pearl, the backend move FOR ME was smooth, controllable, and not over reacting. The line I played with this ball was 35 with my feet to 10 at the breakpoint. The strong Mass Bias allows my Crimson to come back hard with no loss of energy to pound and carry off the pins.
My leauge condition is where this ball truly shines. I was dying to shoot with it on some oil for a change since I missed my last league night, and I'm glad I got to use it. I started with my Blue Fire and it gave me an over/under reaction. (I suspected roll out due to particles) Switching to the Crimson I shot straight up 10 just outside the heavier oil. The ball glided through the heads, and even through the midlane now, but turned over due to it's strong MB. The turn was similar on both conditions, powerful but not over reacting or violent. For three and a half games I played the same line and never had to adjust with the execption of a little more speed. I also shot my best in a few months, which now earns my Crimson the right to.....First Ball Out Of Bag!!!
Overall I feel it's a good medium oil ball, and could be used first to test the condition of the lanes. It's too strong for light or dry, and it will also ignore carrydown if you shoot correctly. A good piece for any Visionary fan looking for a strong but not uncontrollable ball.
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Pin_Krusher, formerly Divine Dragon.....a.k.a...The Littleboy with a neutron bomb
Drastically inflicting pin punishing destruction, and doing it with...................well a Drastic!!
Post by: htotheizzo3561 on December 13, 2003, 10:23:44 PM
Visionary Test Staff
Post by: lft_side on January 01, 2004, 10:41:48 PM
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Post by: Pro Street on March 31, 2004, 10:22:30 PM
I am very pleased to announce, THIS IS THE FIRST BALL I HAVE LIKED FROM VISIONARY!! I got this ball awhile back with a Midnight Scorcher and the specs are the same( Look at Scorcher review). One of the best rolling balls on the market. The ball revs up at the last second and cruches the pins like they were paper. When I was in my second year of bowling I averaged 166 with this ball! Very good on dry to medium lanes. Oil will take this ball down alot. If you are looking for a ball that rolls nice right off your hand...LOOK NO FURTHER THAN THE CRIMSON EXECUTIONER!!--------------------
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Post by: harrylegthigh on May 25, 2004, 02:08:45 PM
of top weight.
After using this ball for a couple of weeks I have to say I was really
impressed with the physical beauty of this ball. Though it not really a
big hook ball it has mucho power and pocket hits carry quite well.
In my hand this is definately no hook in a box ball at all. It has a slow arc to the pocket at the very end. I have been using it on medium oil in practice since I got it, I'd say i used on THS. In my experience it was basically a straight up the 3rd arrow kind of ball with a slight turn at the end. I don't throw swing shots so I am not sure if it is capable of that but in someone elses hand it might work.
This ball reminds me of using a urethane ball with little turn and great hit and carry. Not sure yet if I will try this in a league condition or not I need to use it more and get comfortable with the way it has to be thrown to strike.
Still a great ball, probably turns more in a drier lane and I think it would help defeat carry down conditions because it turns so little for me.
Post by: centaur on June 10, 2004, 08:18:56 PM
Layout 5" pin from axis in middle of fingers for me cg kicked out 25 degree
PIN - cg 3"
Top Weight 3.5
house shot 36' ball rolls clean through heads and skates right and then at once left it goes and smash pocket the good thing about this ball is when you get a little carry down this ball is versatile you can move right and still get it to work the way it should
Post by: Randy Crane on July 06, 2004, 12:15:09 PM
I had one of these drilled by Frankie May at the ABC Nationals and all I can say is WOW! This is by far the most powerful pearl ball I have ever had in my hand. It is drilled stacked with the pin and CG 1" right and this ball goes down the lane and turns hard for the pocket! I was averaging 197 at a house with a rough inconsistent shot and the last three weeks with this ball I have shot 685, 717 and 661 series. What a ball!
Randy
Visionary Test Staff Member (after buying this ball!)
Post by: lubowler03 on August 30, 2004, 12:00:32 PM
(LOL). When I did throw the ball well, I couldn't believe the reaction I was getting, it was fabulous! I can't wait to use this ball on the fresh house shot this fall. Will post further results in a future post.Take care and good bowling,
Joe Ross
Test Staff Member
Scranton, PA
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Joe Ross
Visionary Test Staff
Who said lefties had it easy? My coach still tells me my strike percentage sucks! LOL
Post by: Jturley46 on May 17, 2005, 10:48:56 PM
Post by: gr8scott6 on December 18, 2007, 04:54:18 AM
This is a great ball. It slides down the lane, stores up energy, and then "sets up" about 8 feet out and crushes the pocket. I'm averaging about 220 with this baby. Great for medium conditions.
If you can still find one BUY IT!
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