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Title: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: notsohotshot on December 30, 2008, 04:33:50 AM
What are the pros and cons of this drilling? I am really having trouble with my carry this season.I am hitting the pocket with plenty of angle but just don't carry the whole rack.Any ideas?
Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: noturcuzin on December 30, 2008, 12:43:00 PM
Ric told me that it should smooth out the backend reaction and have a stronger mid-lane. What ball is it?
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Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: Oskuposer on December 30, 2008, 12:43:58 PM
i did that too an original inferno.  that ball was the definition of smooth
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Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: LaneHammer20 on December 30, 2008, 12:51:04 PM
ya I just went Rico on my Bruns Swarm. I wish i had found that layout sooner on middle of the road pearl equipment. I don't see myself using the layout on solid reactives unless they are weak solids suck as something like a Villain or that nature.

I see really smooth ball reaction that lets me play small swing or strait up the boards with awesome carry. I have shooting lights out with my Swarm since I got it and a Track kinetic that i got which is almost a Rico drilling, just slightly altered, same shape in reaction though.

I think if you haven't tried it you should. I was real skeptical at first, but I now see myself using it on alot of other quipment in the future.
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Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: Oskuposer on December 30, 2008, 12:52:51 PM
kinetic is asym.
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Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: LaneHammer20 on December 30, 2008, 12:53:12 PM
oh BTW with my PAP they come out with it modified because of my track we place the pin 1in up of standard placement. It comes out 5 1/2 pin to PAP. So everyones will be different unless you modify it yourself to get a desired pin to PAP distance.
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Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: notsohotshot on December 30, 2008, 12:56:42 PM
Thanks guys that have answered so far!!!
Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: Berreez on December 31, 2008, 12:00:14 PM
I’ve put the Rico on two of my bowling balls. One is the Resurgence but I never find enough oil to use it. Last night I had the Perfect Rival drilled up with it. The PR is more of a skid/flip ball but since I’m more of a speed dominate player I thought this would smooth out the reaction. I was correct. The PR has a very smooth roll but it is a hook monster to say the least. Being a lefty I was targeting around 17 at the arrows and at the break point was six. Now for me that’s a huge swing. I’m going to put it on some milder equipment and see how that works. Overall, I like the drilling.
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Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on December 31, 2008, 12:16:32 PM
If I went into a proshop and said, "I'd like this ball drilled RICO."  Would they know what I'm talking about, or is RICO ball reviews lingo?
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Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: dizzyfugu on December 31, 2008, 12:18:45 PM
I think Ric's legacy is a good test to see how educated your pro shop is. Even around here, the RICO drilling is known (at least to insiders) at both pro shops and players, and pops up in discussions in local boards.
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Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: Berreez on December 31, 2008, 12:39:12 PM
quote:
you rico'd a resurgence? and a Perfect Rival? Way to just defeat the purpose of a) getting these balls in the first place and b) using the rico drilling for its intended purpose.  


Explain?
Rico on the Resurange is for heavy oil or when the lanes are hard for me to get anything else tracking to the pocket.
I.E. I’m speed dominate so I tend to over throw the ball. The Rico helps me get the ball to recover in the slick stuff.
Rico on the PR was something I wanted to try. Again, speed dominate, so I would throw this ball through the breakpoint if I didn’t have a drilling to get the ball to read further down the lane.
Anyway, works for me.

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Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: Dan Belcher on December 31, 2008, 01:48:44 PM
Frankie's an idiot and a troll to boot, if you haven't seen his postings before.  Just ignore him.  He's probably one of those guys who thinks you have to drill an inherently skid/snap ball with a skid/snap layout (which just makes it TOO long and TOO snappy for 90% of conditions) and vise versa.  You drill the ball to match the motion you want, working with the natural tendancies of the ball.
Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: Lillen on January 04, 2009, 07:55:37 AM
Here's the page where you can find some pics to add to the text above....

http://bowlingknowledge.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=181&Itemid=1
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Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: JustRico on January 04, 2009, 08:29:55 AM
One comment on this...

It was said that the individual used the layout on the wrong ball or defeated the purpose...I am not sure what this meant, but if I assume that the bowler used the layout on a skid flip type ball and this was wrong. When Parker won last year in NC, he used the layout on a Twisted Fury Pearl. I believe, if I remember correctly, that ball was designed and advertised as skid flip. It seemed to work there.
And at one time or another, I used this layout on every ball made by Brunswick, over the past 5 years or so and they are known as rollier type equipment, wouldn't that defeat the purpose?
Bowling balls and layouts enhance a bowler's attributes, as well as a ball's dynamics, no more no less.
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Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: jbruno6 on January 04, 2009, 10:30:17 AM
quote:
Frankie's an idiot and a troll to boot, if you haven't seen his postings before.  Just ignore him.  He's probably one of those guys who thinks you have to drill an inherently skid/snap ball with a skid/snap layout (which just makes it TOO long and TOO snappy for 90% of conditions) and vise versa.  You drill the ball to match the motion you want, working with the natural tendancies of the ball.


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Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: Dan Belcher on January 04, 2009, 10:49:05 AM
Well, at least that's one person.  That's better than I expected, right?  
Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: KingofKings696 on January 04, 2009, 11:31:56 AM
I notice people say this smooths out the reaction, however my question is will this also weaken the ball slightly? I ask cause Im speed challenged and have trouble getting stuff weak enough. So my question is if I was to take say a jazz or similar ball(I hook a purple rhino pro from gutter out on a medium to medium heavy and a gravity shift on heavy) and put a rico on would it be smooth and weak enough to fit under when these balls start to get sloppy with the over/under or simply too dry?
Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: Strider on January 04, 2009, 12:06:59 PM
One of the guys in my PBA league used a Rico Resurgence quite a bit.  It looked fantastic in his hands.  Super clean through the heads, slight mid lane read, then a big arc to the pocket.  Almost like a super weak resin ball for the first 30 feet, then a strong urethane ball the last 30.
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Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: Dan Belcher on January 04, 2009, 12:45:34 PM
quote:
I notice people say this smooths out the reaction, however my question is will this also weaken the ball slightly? I ask cause Im speed challenged and have trouble getting stuff weak enough. So my question is if I was to take say a jazz or similar ball(I hook a purple rhino pro from gutter out on a medium to medium heavy and a gravity shift on heavy) and put a rico on would it be smooth and weak enough to fit under when these balls start to get sloppy with the over/under or simply too dry?
In general, the Rico is not a weak drill.  Think about it just from standard drilling standards.  What is your PAP?  If it's 5" over, this is a 5" pin to PAP layout with the pin extremely low for earlier roll but a slower overall response to friction (which results in a very rolly, constant arc), plus an x-hole that tends to increase flare.  The closer your PAP is to grip center, the stronger the layout is.
Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: Pat Patterson on January 04, 2009, 03:55:18 PM
Could this ball fall into the "modified rico" layout category I've heard a few people on this site talk about?

15lb Lane Massters Dynamic Power:
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With this layout, the ball is rather smooth but with a decent amount of arc.
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Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on January 04, 2009, 04:02:40 PM
quote:
Could this ball fall into the "modified rico" layout category I've heard a few people on this site talk about?

15lb Lane Massters Dynamic Power:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/PatPatterson1/Bowling%20Balls/IMG_0018.jpg

With this layout, the ball is rather smooth but with a decent amount of arc.
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Modified Rico is a term to either describe the drilling, or enhance a used ball's value while selling.  There's a few factors that go into a "true" rico drilling such as hole drilled 6 3/4, 45 degree, pin in center of grip, etc.  Variations from those benchmark stats make every other drilling a modified rico drilling.
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Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: cheech on January 04, 2009, 05:46:42 PM
my PAP is 5 7/8 over. since it wants a 3 1/2-5 1/2 pin to PAP distance would i just move the pin closer to the PAP by 3/8"?
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Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: JustRico on January 04, 2009, 05:49:51 PM
I knoq of 2 bowlers, Billy O and Parker BIII that have PAP close to yours and they both use this layout with success. I would suggest trying and modifying from there.
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Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: justdale on January 04, 2009, 06:08:55 PM
This drilling like many others won't work for everybody, before digging in and complaining about this drilling or that drilling, people ought to get their pro-shop operators advice on what may work for you on different lane conditions.

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Title: Re: Advantages of Rico Drilling
Post by: SpareK on January 04, 2009, 06:39:14 PM
How will it work for low speed , medium rev bowler? 13-14  & 200 rpm.
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