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Title: Scotch brite pads
Post by: justinmill14 on June 05, 2009, 02:21:06 PM
Does anyone have much experience with using these? I figured I would try these out for resurfacing my bowling balls on the spinner since they are fairly cheap. Heres the info I have found so far
The pads are color coded:
White 1000 grit
Light grey 600-800 grit
Green 500-600 grit
Maroon 320-400grit
Brown 280-320 grit
Dark grey 180-220 grit
Tan 120-150 grit


Now I know this may sound stupid but does anyone have a picture of the gray and light gray pads, because I can not find one anywhere and would like to know how much of a difference there is between the two as far as color goes. That way I can purchase the right one and don't use the wrong grit.
Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: J_Mac on June 05, 2009, 11:24:51 PM
IMHO, There are only 4 colors to really concern yourself with.  Maroon, Green, Grey and Gold...

07447 - Maroon 320-400 grit
00096 - Green ~600 grit
06448 - Grey 800-1000 grit (also listed as 07448 and 07748)
07745 - Gold 1200-1500 grit

White doesn't feel like it has any abrasiveness to it at all and takes a LOT of pressure to change a surface.  Gold actually does feel abrasive.
Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: J_w73 on June 05, 2009, 11:42:08 PM
Product Information: 3M part# 07745 Scotch-Brite Clear Blend Prep Scuff Roll, 4 3/4 in x 15 ft Least agressive of 3 part scuff pad system. Scuffing prior to clear coat blending, light scouring, fine polishing on metal. Each roll tears into 30, 4 3/4 in x 6 in pads. Gold in color, leaves behind a scratch pattern equivalent to grade 1200 and finer. 3M Scotch-Brite Clear Blend Prep Scuff Pad is Excellent for sail panel blends. It's Perfect for gold/silver/pearl metallic. Use to Prep clear coat areas and critical blends. Provides Easy buff back, and Provides optimum clear prep adhesion. This pad may be used with 3M Scuff-It Paint Prep Gel 06013 for improved performance.
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Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: J_w73 on June 05, 2009, 11:52:30 PM
The dark grey looks very course... the weave is very loose..

also on a side note...I have seen the green 6448 look grey as well... I think the green is what they sell at the grocery store .. the greyish is the industrial/commercial grade..
I think they are the same number though..it looks close to the light grey.. a bit darker with a greenish tinge..


here is a pic of the dark grey 7446
http://www.grainger.com/images/products/enlarged/XL-4ZR12.JPG

light grey 7448

http://www.rshughes.com/images/products/images/JHbwjWjvpDX2njMdb0IJWg_img.jpeg

check out this chart.. it gives the grits and model numbers for all the pads.. That way you can just go by the model number to avoid confusion.

http://home.earthlink.net/~litefrozen/downloads/bowling_grit_chart.pdf

I got mine here.. They have all the pads and seem to be a decent price

http://metalworking.mscdirect.com/industrial-catalog.html
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Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: J_w73 on June 05, 2009, 11:54:47 PM
I have found the scotchbrite to last longer and do a better job at changing the surface consistanty.  Abralon pads seem to only provide a true surface grit for about 4 or 5 times.. I have 2000 pads that will shine a ball to a glossier finish than a new 4000.. Scothbrites seem to give the same grit till there is nothing left of them..

The heavier grit scotchbrites will leave score marks in the ball and won't leave the ball as pretty though..
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Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: icewall on June 06, 2009, 06:26:20 AM
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I have found the scotchbrite to last longer and do a better job at changing the surface consistanty.  Abralon pads seem to only provide a true surface grit for about 4 or 5 times.. I have 2000 pads that will shine a ball to a glossier finish than a new 4000.. Scothbrites seem to give the same grit till there is nothing left of them..

The heavier grit scotchbrites will leave score marks in the ball and won't leave the ball as pretty though..
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I agree.

the reason why scotchbrite isnt as popular (IMO) is that up until recently all we knew we could use to achieve a high grit dull surface was light grey scotchbrite. however this is a lot closer to around FEPA or P1500 grit... a LOT duller then 4000 grit abralon or P4000.

I just purchased a box of gold scotchbrite and I hit one side of a ball with 2000 abralon and the other with gold. they both produced a surface that looked and felt the same *to me*.

with that being said I think scotchbrite is MUCH cheaper then abralon as you can get a LOT of uses from one pad and it doesnt get worn over time like abralon does.

I stopped using abralon as the cost to amount of use to me is absurd and the only advantage I see is P4000 grit but i never match up to that surface... i usually go polished or a compound polish like storm step #2 if I need less surface then P2000 grit. AND I dont like how fine the surface is at 4000 abralon... how many games will it stay close to 4000 grit? plus it seems as if the grit under can have an affect when using 4000 abralon as your final surface as discussed in another post.


ive noticed that all abrasives have their spot or reason to use them.

such as abralon, wet/dry sandpaper, and scotchbrite. but for my dollar as well as performance I will be using scotchbrite IF it achieves the reaction or grit needed.
Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: mrteach3 on June 06, 2009, 06:34:47 AM
Agree with above.  We use the Burgandy, Grey, and White pads in our shop on a Haus machine.  Does an absolutely outstanding job.
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Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: jbruno6 on June 06, 2009, 07:25:41 AM
Im getting away from abralon myself.  The pads last longer and are cheaper.
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Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: J_w73 on June 06, 2009, 09:40:23 AM
I have never used the 180 or 360 Abralon but the  500 did provide a smooth uniform surface.  Only advantage I would see with the Abralon is that the 180 or 360 might provide a dull surface without all the score marks that course grit sandpaper or scothbrite make.  Basically the ball will look prettier.. I would imagine that these pads would wear even faster than some of the higher grit pads though.
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Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: azguy on June 06, 2009, 10:25:42 AM
I use from 180 to 2000 Abralon pads. Don't much care for the SB pads as those don't last as long for me. I also use sandpaper, all depending on what I want to do. Finishing off a plug job starts with sandpaper and ends with Abralon.

Major resurfacing starts with sandpaper and ends with Abralon, minor adjustments only Abralon. IMO it's more what you are most comfortable with or what you feel does the best job for you. I have nothing against SB just doesn't work as well for me except cleaning the ball, they are great for that (white pads).
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Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: six pack on June 06, 2009, 10:49:33 AM
I've have better results with useing wet/dry sand paper.the scotch pads were to coarse and the abralon to fine.for polished ball I use 400 to 1000 W/D and for sanded I use 800 to 3000.That's just me though
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Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: justinmill14 on June 06, 2009, 03:00:45 PM
The only problem I saw with using sand paper, is the fact that it is so thin
Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: azguy on June 06, 2009, 03:34:30 PM
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The only problem I saw with using sand paper, is the fact that it is so thin  


Not this stuff....  http://www.supergrit.com/products/products_sheets-brownredao.asp#red

Very thick paper, lasts a long time and easy to keep clean.
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Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: on June 06, 2009, 06:25:03 PM
I use the gold scotch brite the most, with the light grey ones a close second.

As the gold ones wear you can really do some nice finish work with lots of water and higher speeds.

A trick I picked up from "charlest" when using sandpaper is to get some of the small sponges from the dollar store and get one wet. Put the sponge between the hand and the sandpaper. It helps me grip the sandpaper as well as acting as a cushion against the hand and fingers.

 


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Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: J_w73 on June 06, 2009, 07:18:23 PM
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I use from 180 to 2000 Abralon pads. Don't much care for the SB pads as those don't last as long for me. I also use sandpaper, all depending on what I want to do. Finishing off a plug job starts with sandpaper and ends with Abralon.

Major resurfacing starts with sandpaper and ends with Abralon, minor adjustments only Abralon. IMO it's more what you are most comfortable with or what you feel does the best job for you. I have nothing against SB just doesn't work as well for me except cleaning the ball, they are great for that (white pads).
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I am interested in how you say the scotchbrite pads don't last long.  Are you saying they wear away to nothing left or wear holes?.. because from my experience the grit and the surface that you achieve will stay the same through the life of the pad and that life seems to be very long.. The grit that is achieved from an new abralon pad lasts about 5 or 6 balls for me.. after that who knows what you are going to get.  It definitely isn't as course as a new pad after the pad wears.. like I said. I have 2000 grit abralon that will polish to a higher shine than a new 4000 abralon
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Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: J_Mac on June 06, 2009, 07:22:15 PM
A little off topic perhaps, but I look forward to the new Micro finishing pads that Brunswick has started to use in their factory.  

People have reported that the Valentino sanding pads are lasting longer than abralon, and word is that the ones from Big B will last longer as well.
Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: justinmill14 on June 06, 2009, 08:26:27 PM
Right now all I have is the burgandy and the like gray, I just finished my ball spinner today so figured I would try it out on an old ball. Used the burgandy on it and after I was done there was a lot of white powder type stuff on the pad (obviously from sanding the ball)

I was just wondering if its okay to just rinse that off of the pad with water? Will the pad be good to go after that?


I also found out that the white pad is around 2000 grit. Atleast thats what someone from buddies pro shop told me.

Edited on 6/6/2009 8:29 PM
Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: azguy on June 06, 2009, 08:33:59 PM
JW, I found the SB pads wear fast. Maybe I put to much pressure, but soon they are smooth no matter what grit I start with.

AB Pads last longer for me but I use a CAB, small side and only 1/3 of the pad at a time. Water flowing to keep the particles washed away. If you say a 2000 shines more than a 4000, then I'd have a guess that you are not using enough water or moving the pad enough, but, I've not seen how you use them ...just a guess.

For me, the shortest lasting is a 4000, 2000 then a 1000 AB Pad. The 180's will last a very long time as long as you use enough water. I have seen videos from Innovative, I think, where they use them dry. Not my way but just goes to show, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

Very seldom do I ever use anything over 1000, to much oil here for mush higher. I will use the 2000 and 4000 pads once they are shot, to clean with or turn the pad over and polish with the sponge side if I use polish on any ball.

If you are saying your SB pads will give you the same grit for how many balls ? You are only getting the AB pad grit on 5 or 6 balls ? My guess would be you need to clean the pads with a small scrub brush to get the particles out of the weave, again, just a guess.

As for me and SB pads, they will wear hole in the area I work with, I adjust and will wear a hole again, that's what I don't use them much but to clean with.

Again, all my observations are a guess as I don't know how you use one or the other. The pads , IMO, are like cars, some like one brand some like another. What ever you feels works best for you is the right one for you.
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Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: los2003 on June 06, 2009, 08:49:24 PM
The Valentino ones do last longer but always seem to be backordered.. atleast on the site.. I have found sandpaper with a sponge or something kind of sofft behind works as well as abralon pads and is a fraction of the cost..

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A little off topic perhaps, but I look forward to the new Micro finishing pads that Brunswick has started to use in their factory.  

People have reported that the Valentino sanding pads are lasting longer than abralon, and word is that the ones from Big B will last longer as well.
Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: charlest on June 06, 2009, 08:57:51 PM
quote:
Right now all I have is the burgandy and the like gray, I just finished my ball spinner today so figured I would try it out on an old ball. Used the burgandy on it and after I was done there was a lot of white powder type stuff on the pad (obviously from sanding the ball)

I was just wondering if its okay to just rinse that off of the pad with water? Will the pad be good to go after that?



You shouldn't see "white stuff". You should see just a gray or colored slurry. I bet you did a no-no. I bet you didn't use water as a lubricant and to keep the resin dust from being sucked into your lungs!!

Yes, an old toothbrush or similar used, old household brush and running water should have that pad good to go in 10 or 15 seconds work.


quote:

I also found out that the white pad is around 2000 grit. Atleast thats what someone from buddies pro shop told me.

Edited on 6/6/2009 8:29 PM


The white Scotch-Brite pad uses talc as the abrasive. It is one of the softest abrasives known. It does not do very much to something as hard as resin, since resin is harder than talc. (Talc, as in talcum powder.)
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Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: ccrider on June 06, 2009, 09:55:55 PM
The assorted hook and loop from supergrit last a long time and is easy to clean. My only problem is figuring the abralon equivalents.

I have use abralon from 180 up but I am never confident as to when to throw the abralon away. For that reason I moving away from abralon.

CC

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The only problem I saw with using sand paper, is the fact that it is so thin  


Not this stuff....  http://www.supergrit.com/products/products_sheets-brownredao.asp#red

Very thick paper, lasts a long time and easy to keep clean.
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Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: ccrider on June 06, 2009, 10:08:20 PM
^^^^^^^same here. the sandpaper is much cheaper and actually faster.

cc
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Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: justinmill14 on June 07, 2009, 08:10:32 AM




You shouldn't see "white stuff". You should see just a gray or colored slurry. I bet you did a no-no. I bet you didn't use water as a lubricant and to keep the resin dust from being sucked into your lungs!!

Yes, an old toothbrush or similar used, old household brush and running water should have that pad good to go in 10 or 15 seconds work.


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I used water, but maybe not enough? Is it better to spray the water straight on the ball or onto the pad when I am sanding?
Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: azguy on June 07, 2009, 09:55:43 AM
I use a sponge backing on my paper, folded over the sponge. I soak the sponge and paper before use and after cleaning them. I also spray water as I sand. Might be over kill but IMO you can never use to much water.

(well to a point but you get the idea)
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Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: charlest on June 07, 2009, 12:51:54 PM
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quote:


You shouldn't see "white stuff". You should see just a gray or colored slurry. I bet you did a no-no. I bet you didn't use water as a lubricant and to keep the resin dust from being sucked into your lungs!!

Yes, an old toothbrush or similar used, old household brush and running water should have that pad good to go in 10 or 15 seconds work.



I used water, but maybe not enough? Is it better to spray the water straight on the ball or onto the pad when I am sanding?


Spray the ball and soak the pad, so neither of them is ever close to being dry. Both should be kept wet with the sprayer.
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Edited on 6/7/2009 12:53 PM
Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: JessN16 on June 07, 2009, 11:55:48 PM
charlest (and others),

I found a great accessory to have is one of those trays that you use when painting a room with a paint roller. They're square or rectangular with a sloped bottom. I fill the basin portion up with water and soak whatever I'm using -- sandpaper, Abralon, ScotchBrite -- completely through.

It may be a little messy on the ball itself (I've got my spinner in a tub that keeps the slung-off water and slurry from flying around the room), but it works well, cuts down on score marks on the ball (as in, I don't have any) and tends to keep Abralon, especially, usable for longer.

The other thing about those paint trays is that the sloped part has ridges in it. The ridges are there to knock excess paint off the roller, but in this application, you use them as a place to knock slurry off the surface of your pads (sandpaper tends to build up slurry debris quickly).

Jess

Edited on 6/7/2009 11:56 PM
Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: mastergunner on June 08, 2009, 09:24:01 AM
Who sells all of the different colors of scotchbrite pads at the best cost?
Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: leftyinsnellville on June 08, 2009, 09:40:50 AM
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(I've got my spinner in a tub that keeps the slung-off water and slurry from flying around the room)


Tub? I don' need no steenkin' tub!

I like to use my spinner without leaning into a tub...kinda hard on the ol' back.  Though my wife bitches about the horizontal stripe across the middle of all my t-shirts!


Edited on 6/8/2009 9:41 AM
Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: azguy on June 08, 2009, 09:47:12 AM
Jess, I use a small bucket that had dry wall joint compound, have several since we redid the shop, and a small nail brush from wal mart to scrub off the excess. I like the small brush because I go different directions and get all the excess off the pad and paper. Easy, cheap and works.

Nice thing about the bucket, easy to refill, dump and they stack. If you have a problem with what to do with wet pads or paper, find a computer desk that has a plastic disk holder in it. Lay them across a small plastic pan, the pads will set in the slots, the paper can be folded to hang dry as well.
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Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: J_w73 on June 08, 2009, 12:07:19 PM
this place seemed like it was the best place to get all the different model numbers at a decent price...

http://metalworking.mscdirect.com/industrial-catalog.html

The next best thing would be to go to a local automotive body shop supply / pain store and see if they have them or can order them for you.


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Title: Re: Scotch brite pads
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 08, 2009, 05:52:27 PM
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As for me and SB pads, they will wear hole in the area I work with, I adjust and will wear a hole again, that's what I don't use them much but to clean with.


The only time I seem to notice this is when I am working with balls that have the finger inserts sticking slightly above the surface.  Haven't noticed it with the ones that are recessed below the surface or ones without inserts.



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