Post by: gsback on September 02, 2009, 07:11:19 AM
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Post by: scotts33 on September 02, 2009, 03:19:49 PM
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Post by: sluggo35 on September 02, 2009, 04:21:19 PM
Post by: gsback on September 02, 2009, 04:29:04 PM
quote:
hybrid
meaning??
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Post by: rustylegacy on September 02, 2009, 04:38:49 PM
Post by: sluggo35 on September 03, 2009, 01:09:41 AM
quote:pearl/solid hybrid with particle. just thinking of stuff. like the code with some particle added.quote:
hybrid
meaning??
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Post by: Rev_O on September 03, 2009, 01:32:42 AM
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Post by: dizzyfugu on September 03, 2009, 04:08:43 AM
Core should be a stronger one, with a medium to low RG and some good RG differential. Maybe something between the New Breeds and the Ogres - e.g. an Ogre core with lower RG and higher differential (Centaur-like).
Color-wise, I like the idea of a ball in yellow and purple, be it solid or pearl, as long as the color separation is O.K. Or light green, mid blue and purple, if a 3 color ball would be an option. Nothing murky, please!
Particle might be old school, but IMHO it (still) has its place. And since many manufacturers switch to a porous shell technology instead of gritty additives, I even see some potential.
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Post by: bcw1969 on September 03, 2009, 05:52:27 AM
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Post by: gsback on September 03, 2009, 06:26:52 AM
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I'd like to see another ball with the midnight scorcher coverstock, but perhaps a different/weaker core.
Wondering if the Ogre Particle would be this reaction?? I never fared well with the Midnight Scorcher......so I don't know. I know of others that flat out loved the ball for oil though.
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Post by: charlest on September 03, 2009, 07:33:35 AM
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Post by: scotts33 on September 03, 2009, 08:55:45 AM
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quote:I'd like to see another ball with the midnight scorcher coverstock, but perhaps a different/weaker core.
Wondering if the Ogre Particle would be this reaction?? I never fared well with the Midnight Scorcher......so I don't know. I know of others that flat out loved the ball for oil though.
IMO........Ogre Particle is closer to Granite Gargoyle in cover, reaction shape and specs. Midnight Scorcher was higher RG got more length and flared more because of core.
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Post by: Midnighter on September 03, 2009, 04:07:10 PM
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Ogre SS coverstock onthe Frankie May Gryphon core.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Hmmm...I think you may be on to something. I talked about this in another post, I just neveer thought to change the core for the reaction I desired.
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Post by: gsback on October 06, 2009, 10:28:36 AM
I think this is going to be a huge release needless to say....and from what I've heard, it's going to be one versatile ball!!
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/gary_lum/100_1219.jpg
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/gary_lum/100_1220.jpg
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Post by: scotts33 on October 06, 2009, 10:33:54 AM
Thnaks Gary...who brought it in?
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Post by: scotts33 on October 06, 2009, 11:19:37 AM
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Post by: gsback on October 06, 2009, 11:57:47 AM
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Looks like a particle pearl but nothing new is on the approved ball list. Hmmmmmmmmm???????
Yep....Particle Pearl with completely different coverstock than the other NBs....and yes....was approved Monday I think.
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Post by: scotts33 on October 06, 2009, 11:59:45 AM
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Post by: pnj1967 on October 06, 2009, 12:04:11 PM
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Post by: gsback on October 06, 2009, 01:20:01 PM
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Some thing like the G3 in particle.
Nope....like the New Breed in Particle Pearl.
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Post by: A_P_K on October 06, 2009, 04:31:48 PM
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Post by: Midnighter on October 06, 2009, 09:35:23 PM
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Post by: rustylegacy on October 06, 2009, 10:13:02 PM
Post by: dizzyfugu on October 08, 2009, 03:04:54 AM
I am tempted!
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Post by: gsback on October 08, 2009, 05:10:58 AM
I really wish I was going down there!! If his thumb wasn't too small, I would have tried it Monday when I took the picture.....it sure wasn't going to hurt my series thus far...that's for sure!!
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Post by: Wilbert on October 08, 2009, 09:38:45 AM
Post by: Midnighter on October 08, 2009, 10:55:04 AM
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Visionary Test Staff
Visionary - New Breed Solid and Pearl,
Ogre SS
Ebonite - NVD
Roto-Grip - Neptune
Lane#1 - BuzzBomb & G-Force Evolution
Hammer - Toxic
Storm - Dimension & El Nino (Original)
Faball - Purple Hammer(Classic)
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Edited on 10/8/2009 11:01 AM
Post by: VBPadvertising on October 08, 2009, 04:27:05 PM
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on October 08, 2009, 04:50:29 PM
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Post by: tank38 on October 08, 2009, 05:57:41 PM
Post by: scotts33 on October 08, 2009, 11:35:12 PM
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Post by: sluggo35 on October 09, 2009, 01:13:50 AM
Post by: A_P_K on October 09, 2009, 07:48:49 AM
My Orange Warlock and Gladiator pearl were both spinning their wheels leaving me wash outs and flat pocket 8-10 splits.
Can't wait to get my hands on this piece.
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Post by: VBPadvertising on October 09, 2009, 06:11:50 PM
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Post by: Midnighter on October 09, 2009, 06:59:59 PM
Thanks for the update on the NBPP, my order will be in next week. This ball looks great and I have to agree with an earlier post it has a sour apple appeal. It will be a nice compliment to my NB Solid (Peppermint). Does this ball have length equal to the NB Pearl? Also how aggressive is the ball with the particle load added? Lastly thanks for making a great product.
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Ogre SS
Faball - Purple Hammer(Classic)
Hammer - Toxic
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Post by: abrown on October 09, 2009, 10:26:19 PM
Post by: scotts33 on October 09, 2009, 11:50:24 PM
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bring back the blue centaur with a pearl and or hybrid cover
If you are speaking of the CENTAUR-AMB Particle that would be an impossibility to use that core as it's over the differential limits imposed by the USBC.
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Post by: Spartan on October 09, 2009, 11:53:42 PM
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Post by: VBPadvertising on October 10, 2009, 02:34:24 PM
In terms of length and backend strength, in box condition this ball falls between the Solid and the pearl. Now, the unique thing about this ball, is it can also give you the look of a solid particle if you bring it down to 1,000 or below. When polished, it almost acts as if there is no particle in the ball at all.
One of the best things about this ball is that you can change the surface back and forth without having to worry about damaging the coverstock. So, if your going to bowl a tournament that you know is going to have a longer pattern, there is no problem bringing it down to 600, and then the following day bringing it back up to 2,000 for different tournament or league. This is a very durable coverstock,and the particles will not breakdown or smooth out like other particle balls.
Jason
Post by: abrown on October 10, 2009, 02:39:58 PM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on October 10, 2009, 05:25:41 PM
Are the particles used in this ball similar to the ones in the Ogre Particle? In other words, will we feel the fuzzy beard effect?
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on October 10, 2009, 05:29:00 PM
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scott if i remember right since it was in production before the whole diff rule wouldt they be able to slide it by under the grandfather law same as the sd73?
If I recall correctly, Visionary was told they could no longer produce those balls after a certain date.
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Post by: Midnighter on October 10, 2009, 05:32:21 PM
Thanks for the reply to my questions on this ball. I look forward to adding it to my arsenal of Visionary balls. This addition will fill my bag with all VBP balls for league nights.
Brian (Midnighter)
Post by: scotts33 on October 10, 2009, 05:45:52 PM
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scott if i remember right since it was in production before the whole diff rule wouldt they be able to slide it by under the grandfather law same as the sd73?
No. Gary is correct they can not produce them anymore nor can any manufacturer produce a ball and get it approved with a differential radius of gyration of over .060.
http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/07_2009_EquipSpecsManual_WEB_2009.pdf
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Post by: VBPadvertising on October 10, 2009, 06:46:34 PM
This ball does have the same particles as the Ogre, although a lighter load. You will likely feel the particles get fuzzy, although with the lighter load, you won't really even notice them out of the box.
abrown,
They are correct. The USBC grandfathered the exact balls that we had in production at the time. They also set a time frame in which we had to stop production. Now, any balls that we produced prior to that date can and are still being sold, but when inventory runs out all the balls that had the AMB core are done. As far as use goes, anyone who has one or wants to get one can feel comfortable in knowing that you should be able to use these balls forever, because they were grandfathered in.
Jason
Post by: MI 2 AZ on October 11, 2009, 02:06:42 AM
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Post by: dizzyfugu on October 12, 2009, 03:04:10 AM
I am really tempted to try this ball out... Sounds very promising to me!
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Post by: Midnighter on October 12, 2009, 11:43:57 AM
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Post by: bowlingaddiction on October 14, 2009, 03:14:27 AM
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