Post by: admin on December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM
Coverstock: Reactive
Core: 2-piece Asymmeterical
RG: 2.49
Differential: .045
Factory Finish: Matte
Lane Conditions: Medium-Heavy Oil
Post by: Phoenixlefty on November 19, 2001, 12:16:55 PM
Specs:
15.4 lbs.
Pin 3-4 in.
Top 2.4 oz.
Drilling:
Pin 4.5 in from PAP
CG 2 in from PAP
Surface Prep: Out of Box
Bowler's Style: Tweener/Power Stroker with 320 RPM (CATS)
Axis Rotation: 45-60 degrees (normally)
Axis Tilt: 0 degrees
Ball Speed: 19 mph (CATS)
Last Year's High Book: 218
Current High: 222
My first test with this ball was on a fresh pattern shortly before league. The lanes were oiled to 22 feet,
buffed to 36 (synthetic lanes). The oil was medium to light in the middle, lighter 10 and out, but not
scorching. First, for comparison, I lined up with my Crimson Ex., drilled with the pin 5 in from PAP,
CG 4 in from PAP. I got comfortably lined up playing the standard house shot around the 10 board, left
foot on 24, ball on 17 at the foul line, which put the ball around the 4 board at the breakpoint. I then
played the same line with the charcoal, which hooked about 7-10 feet sooner, and about 4-6 boards
more. I moved my feet four boards right, and my target 2, and flushed it. I proceeded to throw 7-8
more and flushed them all. It looked like I was ready for league, which was now starting.
I headed down to my pair and threw the same line on both lanes during shadow practice, all flush. For
good measure, I threw one up 15 through the oil, and that line looked good also, but didn't hit as hard
as it did from the outside. Scoring starts, and on my first ball, I went high and left a 6; I figured I was
slow with the speed. 2nd ball, high for a big four. I moved two right for the next ball, through the beak
for a baby split, and so on, until I was inside 15 by the end of the first game. This ball was just getting
warmed up and kept hooking the more I threw it.
By the middle of the second game, I couldn't keep it left, so I put it up. Doesn't look like this ball likes
light oil at all.
Pulled it out for Friday night league, where there's much more oil (also synthetic lanes), and a slight OB
outside 3. From heavy oil out to the dry, this ball is a true winner. Plenty of hook, hit, and mix. As the
night progressed, I could move into the oil with ease, as there seemed to be no end to this ball's power.
Ended up with 713 for the set, and that was because I opened in the 10th for 210 in the second game.
Should've easily been 740-plus.
Conclusions: Fantastic medium to heavy oil ball. Don't expect to grab the pearl and finish where the
(out of the box) Charcoal leaves off; you may need to move at least 5 boards outside if you're playing
the same breakpoint. My guess is they would have a closer reaction if the Charcoal was polished. If
anyone's interested, I'll do a review after I tinker with the surface some. 9 out of 10 for now.
Post by: audize2 on December 09, 2001, 06:38:09 AM
Post by: lander0 on February 07, 2002, 12:40:56 PM
Brent Couch
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Post by: kingpin-lfy on February 26, 2002, 11:46:21 PM
Post by: arcright7 on March 02, 2002, 12:20:52 PM
Post by: Pye on March 12, 2002, 10:05:35 AM
As for the bowler... I'm a right handed stroker with medium revs, not a lot of hand here. I can play a mild swing shot or up the boards. Unless there is a reverse block or the lanes are completely cooked off I don't go deep inside. All my equipment has Turbo lifts and urethane thumb slugs for consistancy.
This ball came in at 15 lbs with a 3 inch pin and 3 1/4 oz top weight. Having a 5 inch span the finish drill came out with the CG almost dead on grip center giving under a 1/4 oz finger and zero side weight with the pin set right next to the ring finger hole. Finished top weight came in at 1 3/8 oz after drilling. Just using a rag I applied some of Neo-Tac's, Renew It by hand, (no spinner) and the ball finished out having a black bakelite sheen.
In the last week I have used this ball in four different houses, (One pure synthetic, two with synthetic overlays and one wood house.) on four different shots and the results were always the same... Control. In the last year and a half if anyone has read my posts on the Visionary forum you'll know that the heart and soul of my arsenal has been the two Gargoyles with the Granite being my lolly-pop. This ball has just blown away my Granite! This is the best medium condition ball I've ever thrown, period. It needs some head oil and then makes a nice even break on the pins finishing with the typical pin pounding Visionary hit. I've played it standing on 30 playing across 15 out to maybe 8 in both overlay houses and carried everything! In the wood house on a junked up weekend leftover shot stood 12 and played up between 4 and 6 board and the ball was content to sit there until about 40 feet and then, left turn. Not violent but a very aggresive move to the pocket. In the pure synthetic house I stood 20 and had the 10, 11 and 12 board at the arrows out to 5 at about 35 feet with the same aggresive move to the pocket. Another plus is this ball hates ten pins as much as I do! Some of the angles I was playing with this ball would have resulted in quite a few corner pins with my other equipment. Added bonus number 2... The ball does not overreact. It gives me plenty of warning before it starts to fly. In 18 games this past week I have not gone Brooklyn once! As stated earlier, this is a great medium condition ball for me with this drill. On pass around the twisty cranky bunch had to go looking for some oil but they too commented on how smoothly it reacted for them.
If you haven't guessed already, I'm fairly well impressed with this new ball but, after last nights set,(265,237,257 for a 759 series,) my driller and I were discussing the ball and he stated he liked it so much he was getting one for himself when another bowler came up and wanted to know how fast he could get one!
In Visionary's outstanding line-up of balls, their latest edition my well be there best yet! If your in the market for a new medium to oily condition ball I highly recommend you grab one of these babies and Execute some pins!
Post by: MHUMPHREY on March 14, 2002, 07:59:03 PM
powerfull, hits the pocket hard and has plenty of recovery time if you miss your mark and get it to far out side. I HIGHLY recommend this ball to everyone
who wants to improve your game and espessially the bowler who is looking for something to living up the pin action. Anyway good luck and good bowling.
Matt
Post by: leftyjimbo on July 15, 2002, 10:30:33 AM
Pin:2-3
T.W. 2.8 oz.
Drilling: 4x4 no extra hole needed 1/2 finger and 7/8 side
Lefthanded stroker w/ low to med revs and med speed
Typical house shot: 38 feet with dry backends
I usually pull this ball out when my green gargoyle isn't carrying or there is to much oil for it. This ball starts hooking at the end of the oil and never stops and the carry is very good too. I would recommend this ball to anyone looking for a med/ med-heavy oil ball
Good Job Visionary
Post by: arcright7 on October 29, 2002, 05:23:05 PM
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Post by: TheDude on December 04, 2002, 09:41:52 PM
I have mine drilled 3 3/8 and 4 1/2 with the cg in the palm. Cover is slightly shiney with Clean and Sheen. Ball has good mid-lane roll with a strong move off the breakpoint. Ball is good for Med to Heavy oiled synthetics. It can handle some carry down with more forward roll but if not careful it can start to slide a bit too long, this is likely cause of the coverstock prep i have on it.
I have a second ball that is in a dull matte finish that i have yet to drill but plan to lay it out 3 3/8 X 3 3/8 with a weight hole on the val near the thumb for more roll in the oil.
I'll edit this review when i get my other ball with some more surface but hopefully i can find the oil to use it.
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Post by: roystriker on December 22, 2002, 06:36:07 PM
Weight: 15.05#
Top Wt: 2.56 oz.
Pin: 2-3"
Ball drilled stacked leverage (3 3/8 X 3 3/8) for med. length and max flare. I bowl on a typical house shot (about 38' of oil) on synthetic lanes. I like to stand on 25, sending the ball out to 15 at the arrows and find my breakpoint at 6 or 7 down the lane. I wanted an aggressive reactive ball to get through the heads and retain enough energy and hitting power for the backend, and with this ball that is exactly what I get. This ball hits hard with almost no deflection on pocket hits (an occasional 8- or 9-pin leave) and get great pin action on light hits. Even though I bowl in a late league (9pm second-shift), the Charcoal Executioner is the first ball out of my bag. I like to use this ball to read the condition, and is usually good for the first two games of a three-game set. I give this ball a 10 out of 10. I only wish that I had tried Visionary sooner.
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roystriker@verizon.net
Visionary Test Staff Member
Post by: L7H2N on March 10, 2003, 09:40:29 AM
Lots of hand in the ball
Pin under ring towards center - 3/4"
Cg is 45 degrees d/o from pin - 1 1/2"
When I have room to send the ball out (heavy middle lane oil), it comes in hard! I prefer to stand on the right gutter, roll over 4th arrow and hit the break point around 10th board. It just shatters the pins! I had 1oz of side weight in it and found it was too snappy, so I put a counter hole to take out some (now it's at 1/4oz) and that made all the difference in the world. When people are complaining about the amount of oil out there, they are amazed at my ball reaction.
Post by: CRL77 on March 29, 2003, 05:09:10 PM
Post by: nadertime on April 03, 2003, 11:14:04 PM
Update: What a difference a day makes. I went a shined the heck out of the ball and now it most definitely is a med-heavy oil ball. The hitting power increased as well due the the larger angle of entry (no 10 pins in 3 games) It now hooks more then the Green Gargoyle which is what i wanted. Now I would say this ball is a keeper. Keep up the good work Visionary.
Post by: livespive on May 20, 2003, 10:34:00 AM
The cores are similar in that they are ver dense in the middle and have tappered Lightbulb shape. The core of the excecutioner has its base shifted a little to create a mass Bias, and has a flip block on the top to help it turn the corner. Doing a little research and taking the advise of a few from this site, I had the ball drilled label (label leverage to be exact). It is still in box condition for now, and I think i need to polish it. Rolls nice, and has power at the pins, but it doesn't seem to like it when I play deep. I am hoping that the polish will take care of this.
I will update with my final say on the ball here soon.
*****Update******
By gosh I think I've found it
I think the excecutioner line will be the line to replace my Rhino Pros Rhino Pro T2 Replaced by the Charcoal, and my Rhino Pro X Copper replace by the crimson (I still need to get a crimson).Anyway......
Here we go:
Ball specs:
16# w/ 3 oz top weight
3" pinout
Using the pin and cg it is a 3-3/8x6 drilling.
Basically it is a label leverage layout.
No balance hole.
Basically I used the sheet from the net with the two balls on it and picked how I wanted it to react. I did not use the sheet that came withe the ball. Also did a little research here on the site and talked to a few people.
Coverstock:
Polished to 1000. Had to do this I reported earlier that the ball didn't like me playing in the middle of the lane, well the ball was just burning up as soon as I let go of the ball.
The ball does skate through the heads but has strong arc more with a little flip on the dry the way I have it drilled. (At least at my home alley)
In comparision to my T2 it flips a little more because of the flip block at the top of the ball.
For my test shots I was standing left throwing over the 3rd arrow, breaking at the 8 board.
Also tried more of a direct line sliding about the middle of the lane playing the 2nd arrow (Just about a down and in shot)
Even with the 1000 polish The ball needs oil. With the ball being polished it will not burn up in the heads, but it will move a ton in the backend if the lanes are starting to dry out. It handles second game carrydown just fine, but when the carrydown starts to disappear you better put the ball away.
I give the ball 10 out of 10 seeing as it has replaced my #1 ball.
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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
Visionary Test Staff Member
Post by: WARRIOR on July 09, 2003, 04:34:52 AM
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Post by: robynwood on September 29, 2003, 05:37:39 AM
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Post by: bowla800set on January 06, 2004, 10:21:04 AM
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Post by: lft_side on January 15, 2004, 05:53:30 AM
Well thats how this ball was for me. 8.5 of 10
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Post by: BTVisionary on January 17, 2004, 11:48:14 PM
Post by: lubowler03 on March 16, 2004, 04:57:24 PM
I had this ball drilled the same way as my EGO, with the pin down and left of my ring finger. This ball starts earlier and hooks more than my EGO.
As i mentioned on my review of the EGO, I bowl in three different houses, one synthetic 40 foot flood, a basic wall on wood, and synthetic house condition.
on the flood, the executioner reacts fairly well to the huge gobs of oil everywhere, I have already shot a 660 and 658 on this condition with the executioner.
on the wooden lanes, I have only used it once and shot a 600+. This ball hits very well and carries pretty good, I have just been struggling with my accuracy or it would be much better LOL
on the synthetic house shot, I have shot a 697 on my first try with the ball. I love the reaction i get on these lanes, and if it wasnt for a pair of stone-cold 9s i would have been in the 730s
I can also flatten this ball out enough to make 7s, a very versatile #1 ball, paired up with the EGO packs a very heavy 1-2 punch.
I give this ball a 9.5 out of 10 for now, I will test it more in the summer, and probably get another one and drill it different to experiment for my scratch league on the US Open shot in the summer. I will update when I get a chance. Later.
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Joe Ross
Post by: proform on April 23, 2004, 08:54:00 PM
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Post by: A_P_K on July 10, 2004, 07:53:41 PM
Charcoal whaaaa?
Lane Conditions: Medium-Light Oil
Typical Conditions: Variety of Shots
Type of Lane: All Wood
What part of the lane did you play? Third Arrow
Did the ball track out? Normal
Weight of bowling ball: 16
Surface of bowling ball: Factory/Box
What grit was the surface of the ball? 600
Likes: Colors!
Dislikes: The hype!
My Charcoal came to me with a 3-4" pin out distance and weighs in at 16lbs. It is drilled practically label with the MB close to strong position.
This ball doesn't like oil or dry for me, it doesn't hit very well, but somehow manages to carry better than it should.
My line of preferrence was slide foot on 30 throwing the ball out to 10 as a break but I couldn't do that with this ball.
I tried this ball on a medium oiled crown pattern, wooden lanes not sure of the oil numbers though. The first shift was a slop fest and this ball went straighter than an arrow, but the second shift is when this ball did something a little decent.
For the first shift it was 15 to 10 and the second shift it was 30 to 10, only after slowly moving out there.
The reaction is very even, controlled, and not jumpy. The ball starts relatively early and arcs into the pocket. This could be a decent control type ball on medium lanes, but if there's oil in the backends toss this baby in the bag.
Doesn't start as early as it should and hook as much as it should either.
I recently learned it MAY be a bad ball/drill combo but I will get another one to try something different.
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Always Aggie Dun
Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
Post by: 800302 on January 17, 2005, 11:24:12 PM
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Post by: Jturley46 on May 07, 2005, 04:10:09 PM
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Post by: Androooo on July 31, 2005, 08:23:52 AM
Drilled it up to compliment the Violet Gargoyle, and it does just that. Threw 2 shots with it in box finish (600 grit) and went straight to the ball spinner. Box finish was way way too much on med oil if you have any hand. Used Ebonite's Matte Finish to take it up to 1200 grit, and got the exact reaction I wanted.
Ball starts up about 5-6 feet earlier than the Violet, and rolls hard on the backend. The continuation through the pins in just fantastic... it doesn't quit.
Carrydown wasn't really a problem, it just smoothed out the reaction a little more.
Just a warning.... If you want a great, consistant rolling ball that can be used on many different conditions with surface changes, get in quick. These are being discontinued very soon, and rumour has it they will be completely gone by mid August.
Thanks again to Max and Lee at Bowling Balls Australia for this great ball. Adelaide to Hobart over the weekend... how can you beat that?
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