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Title: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: themagician on June 18, 2010, 04:36:40 AM: So guys, this coming week i'll be bowling on this pattern for league, i've bowled on it once and it was not pretty.

Its a 2.4:1 ratio, 35ft pattern, and it just kills me, the Cheetah tends to open up a bit outside but this pattern doesn't seem to show that to me.

I will be bowling on Anvilane's that are pretty new so there isn't a whole lot of developed friction outside, any tips on how to attack this pattern?
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Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on June 18, 2010, 01:08:24 PM: this wouldn't happen to be @ Alpine, would it...???
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Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: themagician on June 18, 2010, 01:08:55 PM: No its not, its in Peru,IL
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Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on June 18, 2010, 01:13:25 PM: lol...we''ve got the same Kegel challenge series pattern being used this week, too...!!

The pattern was used in 2000 at the PBA stop in Indianapolis. That show had McCune, WRW, Kent, Dke and can''t honestly remember who else. McCune played straight (shocker, I know), WRW played a little belly, and Duke did the same. Dougie Fresh was money, though, playing WAY left of them with a soft-handed, polished piece that was fun to watch. He had a great look playing there. Think Cheetah without the friction outside of three.

For the record, I have NOT bowled on this pattern. Just trying to game plan the pattern myself based off of very little video evidence or tutorials. I''ll find out Wednesday and come back here to let you know how I fared. If you would, please do the same.
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Edited on 6/18/2010 1:37 PM
Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: Dan Belcher on June 18, 2010, 01:42:14 PM: Well, if you figure it out, let me know the secret because this pattern absolutely whupped my azz the one time I bowled on it. Dutch 200 the first game, and never broke 200 the rest of the tournament! It was either the worst or second-worst tournament finish I've ever had.
Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: themagician on June 18, 2010, 03:04:43 PM: I most definitely will 230 and Dan. This sunday they are supposedly laying out the pattern and I'm going to try and make it over there and practice on it, only issue is that is with the condition out over a house shot, in league they burn lanes and it always plays different.
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Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on June 18, 2010, 03:33:12 PM: Our league bowls on Heddon lanes which are only a few years old and only three man teams. The patterns do open up but not nearly as quickly as more seasoned plastic lanes or leagues with more traffic. I know, DUH!! But it makes for a LOT of fun versus the THS I''m used to. After six weeks, I''m around 196 for an average and that''s with three games 154 or less...lol!

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Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: KNR216 on June 18, 2010, 07:42:42 PM: Bowled a couple tournaments on this one, this condition hooks I played this condition like the cheetah ,I used 90 x 5.25 x 70 on an old reaction ricohet polished 4000 degree and keep the gas on it.Played around 13 to 3,4 board, well toughest kegal pattern I have bowled on good luck let us know how you did.
Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: Crash7189 on June 19, 2010, 06:22:40 PM: We had this shot 2 weeks ago I went straight up around 4,5,6, shot ok 224,213,190. Missed some easy spares other wise would have been much better. I play all sport patterns straight I just find the break Point and adjust as the night changes. that Night I moved all of 4 boards. I start the night in practice using the rule of 31 and I find the break point and staring position that works the best for me. Their are a bunch of articles on how to bowl a sport shot. this I found works the best for me.
Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: themagician on June 20, 2010, 02:35:49 PM: Yeah lane surface dictates a lot as well as the pattern though, biggest thing is needing to have the break point outside.

I only got to roll two games on it so I didn't get a big idea and of course it was over the house shot so it didn't play true but I kept my ball right of the 6 board the whole way I had a chance. The house i'm bowling in has good carry so it helped a lot in getting 9 or more, i'll report in depth after Tuesday night, hoping to shoot respectably.
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Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: J_Mac on June 20, 2010, 03:07:11 PM: The Kegel Sport patterns, unlike the PBA patterns, don't really lack the oil on the 2 boards next to the gutter...
Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: srlunatic on June 21, 2010, 02:24:04 AM: Have encountered this a couple of times here in Europe...

Right up 3-4 with something that is smooth but has a touch of midlane.

My OOB Clutch and an OOB Creature Pearl really shine on this condition.

That and get more up the back of the ball to control the BP as it does start to fly pretty quickly..

Hope this helps!
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Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: r534me on June 21, 2010, 09:29:47 AM: I bowled this pattern at local tournament in October last year on newer AMF synthetic lanes. The pair we were on the first squad was exceptional slick and and I had good success using my oob pin up cell playing 6-7 board, and a pin up t-road pearl in a later squad. I remember going up the back of the ball with medium speed. I don't remember our team or doubles results but I won or came in second four out of six games high game pots.

They took the pattern out of play in future tournaments because there were too many complaints. Too many bowlers were used to playing second arrow. The Middle of the road became the standard after that.
Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on June 21, 2010, 10:10:56 AM: The "red ball up five" and "watch the breakpoint migrating left quickly" theories should normally be expected. But these Heddon surfaces are extremely slick and I do not think the BP will be as much of a concern for my scenario as has been stated. The lanes, in addition to the fact that there's only six on a pair, might create a delay for the lateral transition.
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Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: r534me on June 21, 2010, 12:54:48 PM: I should have noted that I am left handed and I had very little transtion in the first set. The second set there was another lefty on the pair and he was using more aggressive equipment than I was and was likely the reason I balled down to a TRP.
Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on June 21, 2010, 01:10:28 PM: quote:
I should have noted that I am left handed and I had very little transtion in the first set. The second set there was another lefty on the pair and he was using more aggressive equipment than I was and was likely the reason I balled down to a TRP.

You're a lefty..???

So much for credibility....lol

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Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: themagician on June 21, 2010, 10:06:23 PM: I'm probably taking too much equipment tomorrow night and going to over complicate things but my bag is looking like this.

Mission (Box Finish) 55x4x40
Evil Siege (500-1000-4000) 55x4x40
Onyx Vibe (500-1000-4000) 40x4-3/4x60
Blue/Green Centaur (500-2000) 70x5x35
Blue Dot

Hoping to start with my Evil Siege and stay with it, but you never know until its time.

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Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: r534me on June 21, 2010, 11:05:02 PM: quote:
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I should have noted that I am left handed and I had very little transtion in the first set. The second set there was another lefty on the pair and he was using more aggressive equipment than I was and was likely the reason I balled down to a TRP.

You're a lefty..???

So much for credibility....lol

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Ah, that's okay! One fellow in league was leaving the back row while I was carrying light hits. He said it must be nice 90% of the time being a lefty. I responded, it's the other 10% I worry about.
Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: themagician on June 22, 2010, 10:42:08 PM: Well i'm back from league and heres my report.

We bowl 4 games each week, noone in the entire league shot 800 for 4 games.

With that said my teammate and I just missed doing so because we both opened in the tenth frame, he shot 799, i shot 796.

Looking back I really wish I could have gotten the group on my pair to work together, I was the only person playing way outside and while I had a very scorable look my shot went to hell by the beginning of the third game due to a lot of traffic inside of me. I was laying the ball down on 5, out to 3 or so and was in the pocket solidly while my line was there, I was using very little axis rotation and throwing my box finish Evil Siege. As i started to burn in my part of the lane my move inside was not effective because I ran into friction the rest of the bowlers on my pair developed, this really turned my night around after a good start and made it go sour.

I had a lot of early check and really had to get in and play a large angle in the heads due to how the bowlers broke down the lane condition on my pair, I didn't have much room for error and really lost carry at that point.

I strongly suggest you try and get something going with the people on your lane to develop a shot around 5 or even a little farther right because it will pay off huge later on.

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Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: r534me on June 23, 2010, 04:00:46 AM: Would you say that my experience on it was similar to yours even though I am on the opposite side?
Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: themagician on June 23, 2010, 10:51:32 AM: quote:
Would you say that my experience on it was similar to yours even though I am on the opposite side?

Somewhat similar, I was using a weaker ball, taking a lot of my hand out of the ball, throwing it harder than normal and avoiding axis rotation, but the whole concept of playing out was similar.
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Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: Scott_Henninger on June 23, 2010, 12:08:46 PM: Magician:

Haven't checked the forums in a while, so I couldn't add my 2 cents before you bowled.

My summer league is using the Kegel patterns this year vs. the PBA patterns last summer. Boardwalk was last week and it killed me. In general, short patterns are my weakness. For four games I insisted on trying to play between 3 and 7 and found that I had absolutely no margin for error, including target, speed, release, etc. Late in the night, I noticed that a few guys seemed to have a little better look playing around 10 (which is where the normal house shot plays).

My point is that I'm starting to believe that on some lanes, the topography or profile of the lane has as much effect on ball reaction as the pattern. I was probably too stupid or stubborn to move because, after all, the chart showed that the pattern should have played outside.

Scott.
Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: themagician on June 23, 2010, 12:11:51 PM: Yeah Scott, its tough, every lane machine, type of oil and lane surface can make a huge difference on how a pattern plays.

I think last night I left some pins out there most definitely but the biggest thing was the lack of working together to develop a shot and we all suffered from it, but then again we are not pro's for a reason and the league is just chance to experience sport conditions for most.
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Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: r534me on June 24, 2010, 02:33:32 AM: quote:
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Would you say that my experience on it was similar to yours even though I am on the opposite side?

Somewhat similar, I was using a weaker ball, taking a lot of my hand out of the ball, throwing it harder than normal and avoiding axis rotation, but the whole concept of playing out was similar.
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It's not quite as worn on the left side. I had very little axis rotation that day. The guys on the right trying to swing it were not feeling so good.
Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on June 24, 2010, 03:10:02 PM: Oh. My. Gosh. What a disaster. With one exception, the whole league was humbled. One player, throwing around with soft hand and a number of different surfaces on three or four different pills and shot 681 and was high in the league by over 100 pins. I, simply, do not possess the talent necessary to match that type of delivery and will be the reason for my demise on this pattern unless I choose to give it a shot next week. I tried a couple of looks to start but found a decent look playing 17 to around 7-8 with my break point around 48-50 feet with decent speed and solid hand. It was a solid start as I had the back four and had 206 with some quality shots to finish off the game. However, just as quickly as I thought I had a decent look, the shot would be obliterated and I was the ONLY player within four to five boards of my line. I was using a pin down Hack Infect and an Uprising with the pin in palm both of them around 2000 polished so I was not torching up the line playing that deep. However, since it's only around 2.4:1, maybe I was making a larger hole in the shot than I thought I was. Each shot seem to react different from the next and I could just not make the right moves as the shot transitioned. As the wheels continued to come off the cart, my accuracy fleeted me and I was left with 158-156 for the last two games...never to find anything consistent with either reaction or delivery after the first game. If you're a right-handed player, DO NOT MISS LEFT...!!! Even weaker drills on strong covered equipment would see the ball sail left and, often times, miss the head pin as I clubbed the 2-pin like a baby seal. I'll try a different approach next week and maybe summon the courage necessary to play up five.
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Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: CHawk15 on June 24, 2010, 04:39:36 PM: Not enough oil far enough down lane to hold the ball online, have to hit 5 at the 35 foot mark. Need to cut down axis rotation or use a ball that arcs and use ball speed to get it there. Otherwise, it's going to be a long night.
Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on June 24, 2010, 05:00:42 PM: Honestly, I'm taking my Wine U-Dot next week. I've never see my Freeze respond to friction that strong. I knew I'd have a chance to throw that ball this summer!
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Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: themagician on June 24, 2010, 06:31:55 PM: Yeah that pattern is wild, I was able to keep my ball rolling forward on it and found some success, it just all went to hell when the spray and prayers and people that don't like to work together blew up the wrong portion of the lane. Its a tough pattern that can be made a lot tougher depending on who bowls on it, but nonetheless i'm thankful I got the opportunity to face a challenge and get to learn from it.
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Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on July 05, 2010, 12:21:37 PM: After bringing better pieces of equipment for the second week with this pattern, I thought I had a proper game plan in place to score better. Unfortunately, poor execution got in the way of realizing how correct I was with my thought process. I brought along a ball that I'd used, sparingly, on broken down shorter patters like Cheetah this week. It's a long pin, double thumbed Kinetic Solaris that reacts like a strong urethane piece. I was the only player in the league to play much left of third arrow as I started around 22 with 11-12 as my breakpoint around 48-50 feet. I was right. That shot was there. However, miss left by a board and it was gonna hit the middle of the head pin if you were lucky. I don't really remember what happened when you'd miss one board right of target 'cause each time I missed right it was by two or more. It was frustrating, to say the least. 202-204-167 for 573. I left the big four and a 2-10 the last game otherwise I might have had a better shot for a little 600. In any event, that score was around fifth in the league. After 24 games I'm standing at 191 for an average with "Highway to Hell" the last two weeks.
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Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: nixusr on July 06, 2010, 11:17:50 AM: I just happened to bump into this post. Late May I did a friday night sweeper at AMF Brookgate Lanes in Brookpark, Oh where they use Kegel sport series patterns. On this night the Boardwalk was being used. (Thank goodness!)

For me, I bowl at least 2 PBAx leagues a year and average around 180. Usually I struggle with the longer patterns but on the short patterns I'm decent. For whatever reason, I had the best night ever on a sport shot playing on the Boardwalk!

During shadow ball I could not really find where to play even though I reviewed the pattern prior to getting to the sweeper. I am a down-and-in player so going straight is usually my thing.

First game I played 10 going to 5 with a soft had and my Invasion was recovering ok but I pulled quite a few shots so if I didnt go brooklyn, I was heading for the 4-7! Finished that game at 208 managed to beat out the other 5 players that struggled with spares.

Next game, I corrected my pulled swings and started missing right...siigh! But in missing right on a few shots I was leaking the ball out past 5 going like 3rd - 1st board and whaalah! Ball was snapping back perfectly!

The other players were swinging the ball and having inconsistent results. I was laying it down on between 1st and 5th board and having success! I ended up shooting 208-242-214-258. For me on a sport shot, this was great.

I'd say play this one close to the channel as you can get if your a stroker, maybe it will work the same. House to house I'm sure this may not work but I can't wait to play the Cheetah PBAx pattern in my league to see if I can play the same.
Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: vilecanards on July 09, 2010, 01:29:09 AM: I will save this thread, and alert everybody in our Kegel Challenge league. This shot(Boardwalk) comes up after one more week of Route 66 for us.
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Title: Re: Kegel Boardwalk pattern
Post by: jensm on July 09, 2010, 03:03:01 AM: My experience with this pattern is that it's important to keep the ball hitting a breakpoint area between boards 2-7. For me, straghter is greater on Boardwalk.

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