Post by: KyleTomnay on January 13, 2011, 07:20:39 AM
Post by: ryno108 on January 13, 2011, 04:30:14 PM
Well WHY do you think that? You ask for our thoughts but really don't give your own reason for not liking them.
Personally, I'm all for it. I'm not a two hander, but I think it's a fair way to bowl. It doesn't give them any unfair advantage because it is a style anyone can learn if they want to, unless you have a physical handicap.
I just think bowlers like to complain. Whether it be able leftys having an advantage, scores being too high, balls being to strong, we just like to whine.
Post by: JOE FALCO on January 13, 2011, 05:16:21 PM
I find 2 handed bowlers very interesting to watch on TV. I have yet to see a bowler in my bowling Centers use the technique. I doubt if one could gain consistency with 2 handed very quickly. I see no legitimate reason for baring these bowlers from tournaments! I don't think there are many interested in the technique .. but I'm not to active with Junior bowlers!
Post by: luv2C10falll on January 13, 2011, 05:27:33 PM
They're the same as anyone.We have a kid who throws two handed in our Pba league that avg.228 on a house shot and can barely hit 174avg
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Post by: bltbyj on January 13, 2011, 05:42:35 PM
Still don't know why it's called two handed bowling being the left hand (right handed bowler) does nothing to the ball.
Post by: luv2C10falll on January 13, 2011, 06:12:42 PM
^^^^^^
Thats really funny
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 13, 2011, 06:43:20 PM
I believe it is very similar to a two handed backhand in Tennis.
Both hands are used until JUST before the release, the area creating advantage of no thumb bowling is added but with ADVANTAGE of a guiding hand to give more revs, speed, and accuracy.
To paraphrase As I believe Mo Pinel has been quoted....."We are going to wonder in the future WHY some old codger is throwing 1 handed!"
Phenomenal!
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Post by: i84e on January 13, 2011, 07:15:18 PM
You guys have got to wake up and smell the coffee! This style is gonna be the future of bowling. You know what there is a country teaching this style to all the youth bowlers, furthur than that, so much research is being studied on this two handed style that create an unbelievable rev. rate. If you had never watch them bowl (Jason, Osku and Cassidy to name a few), better watch again and watch very closely.
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Post by: bltbyj on January 13, 2011, 07:52:04 PM
Post by: kidlost2000 on January 13, 2011, 08:40:28 PM
As long as spare shooting is still needed and accuracy I don't think one handed bowling is going anywhere.
How many tv shows have been won by the new two handed style of bowling vs the conventional? (going back however far two handed bowling has been done on tour)
If it was that big of an advantage even with a much smaller group using two hands there would be a much clearer advantage noticed. I've seen bowlers with one hand and no thumb get extremely high rev rates(like two handed bowlers) still there is many times and places where it doesn't work.
It is an easy way for less skilled bowlers at first to get some high games and more revs no doubt. But like anything what separates the good from the best is the skill level. I would say that looking at the pros it is clear the advantage is limited by the shot available on the lanes.
Be good, or be good at it.
Edited by kidlost2000 on 1/13/2011 at 9:45 PM
Post by: The Dreaded Durbin on January 13, 2011, 08:47:16 PM
They are not as good as the hype makes them out to be. Give them a boat load of friction and they will run you over because they can throw it harder than you can.
On a level playing field, they are just as good as the rest of the bowlers out there, but they are not super human or has some kinda super human skill that will change the game. They stink when they stink, like any other bowler who doesn't match up well to the condition.
I don't think either one of the golden children two handers are as good as they are hyped up by the industry. They are not super stars by any stretch of the imagination. They have talent, no question but they are good professional bowlers, just like the rest of the tour are.
There seems to be a growing notion that rev rates are what you need to become an elite bowler. That you need to have this un-godly high rev rate to play and you need 20+ mph ball speed.
History has shown us that high rev rates don't mean very much, nor does guys who throw it 20+ mph. The best bowlers will always be the ones who have versatility and can trick their ball roll. Doesn't matter how many hands you use.
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Post by: bltbyj on January 13, 2011, 08:51:55 PM
"I've seen bowlers with one hand and no thumb get extremely high rev rates(like two handed bowlers) still there is many times and places where it doesn't work."
What?! They're the samething it just depends on when that left hand if they're right handed come off the ball! Some do it sooner and some later.
Post by: atltnpnr on January 13, 2011, 10:04:05 PM
Have no problem with it. Do think that there needs to be a rule modification. Need to make it clear as to what handed they are just like with one handers. Say you primary hand is right then you are a righty and vise versa. It's not a problem right now but can see some time in the future someone going lefty 2 hand for average but then righty 2 hand for tourneys. Or righty for left spares and lefty for right side spares.
Bowling is like life. Sometimes you are the ball. Other times you are the pins.
Post by: kidlost2000 on January 13, 2011, 10:06:43 PM
The ones I've seen with no thumb don't use two hands once the down swing starts. According to Belmonte he uses his left hand to guide the ball through release and add revs to the ball. So bowling with two hands and bowling with no thumb would not be the same thing.
Be good, or be good at it.
Post by: bltbyj on January 13, 2011, 10:21:43 PM
Here is a vid of Belmo and watch at 1:11 you will see no left hand on the the ball and two fingers still in the ball so with that the LEFT had does nothing to the ball and by the way I used to be a " Two Handed Bowler" and I use my thumb now.
Edited by bltbyj on 1/13/2011 at 11:21 PM
Post by: bltbyj on January 13, 2011, 10:29:22 PM
Here's another one. What does Belmo say about the left hand? That's right it doesn't do anything it's just a guide and comes off before release.
Post by: kidlost2000 on January 13, 2011, 10:37:34 PM
In one of his interviews on espn he mentions using his left hand to guide the ball and to add revs. If you watch when he is in deep and adds loft to the ball. His left hand doesn't just fall away from the ball. Same for Osku. When they hit up on the ball they use both hands.
Be good, or be good at it.
Post by: bltbyj on January 13, 2011, 11:33:19 PM
Well let's see what the man himself has to say. I sent Belmo a message on his web site and I'll post his answer here.
Post by: JohnP on January 14, 2011, 09:03:18 AM
"Two handed" is simply a way to bowl thumbless without using a tremendous amount of wrist cock. It's for the young limberbacks who learned that way as children. -- JohnP
Post by: Zanatos1914 on January 14, 2011, 09:21:51 AM
I really can't speak on 2 handed bowling but I am a 2 fingered bowler who does carry a spare ball.. 
I have seen allot of 2 handed bowlers and the difference between them and my style is they are able to get the ball down the lane allot faster.
I have seen allot of 2 handed bowlers and the difference between them and my style is they are able to get the ball down the lane allot faster. The advantage is 2 the person who has the right equipment for that lane and can make the proper adjustments.. Man up and dont worry about rules..
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Post by: numnum on January 16, 2011, 02:59:03 AM
Bottom line you do what you have to, to keep in the game.. Theres pros and cons for two handed bowling. Me I like two handed bowling, but hard to get that speed 18 mph and beyond, thats probably more me, the revs are easy, you can get a pretty simple 3 ball set up, and away you go, but it all comes down to consistancy and thats what the game is all about.. Have changed my bowling 2 years now to two handed, and loving it.. Its not for everybody, and takes time..
I don't know why people disrespect the technique?
Post by: TamerBowling on January 16, 2011, 06:03:32 AM
This seems to be a soar topic with many. For me, I really don't have a strong opinion on it. As some have said, most anybody can learn the technique if they feel let down by their own "one-handed" method. When I was growing up, it was just something that kids did for fun.
Today, the Juniors are intrigued by it. They are still learning how to roll the ball properly one-handed and some have low revs so the prospect of gaining so many revs and a big hook is too enticing. One local junior is just as good and accurate with one-hand as he is with two-hands. However, revs do kick out a lot of pins so he's always a bit conflicted. Yet, he only competes one-handed.
There is a reason why the rev rate for pros is 400 on average. You either are the most accurate bowler in the world, ala WRW or Norm Duke, or you get the revs to make up for a little bit of inaccuracy. Those revs and speed definitely increase carry, no question. Whether you need 600 as compared to 400 is questionable.
Once your at that stage though, you should really be focused on learning to be more accurate.
Honestly, if it brings more interest to the sport, I'm all for it.
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Post by: gparks on January 17, 2011, 06:19:25 PM
i think it's neat to watch and if it gets more people to the lanes so be it.they still have to find control and repeat shots like the rest of us.the 2 big 2 handers in the pros belmonte and palarmo,seem to be promoting thier style and the pba well.i have a guy on my squad the plays with it and does quite well in practice. i think hes gonna do a summer league throwing 2 handed and see how he does.it will be interesting to watch....
at the end of the day i want to see more people bowling so my home lanes don't shut down :( allready closed sunday,monday and tuesday.... the writings on the wall,and the closest center otherwise is 45 minutes away.
so one handed/2 handed or bowling with your knee i dont care just get out there!!!
Post by: Stan on January 17, 2011, 08:31:50 PM
For me, its no fun watching a 2 handed bowler on TV. Really can't pick up anything unless you also throw it 2 handed. Also, I think this style needs to be around for awhile. No one really knows how much strain you body is under throwing it 2 handed for a number of years. 2 handed bowlers have a lot of moving parts.
Post by: completebowler on January 18, 2011, 05:41:15 AM
I firmly believe that Belmo lost to Haugen in the W.C. because he was throwing urethane. As soon as he took a small step left he started pinging 10 pins. Watched Osku look completely lost Sunday against Barnes because he was trying to play straight.
I will take Chris Barnes, Norm Duke, or even Haugen's game over the two handed style any day of the week. Guys that can play different parts of the lane with hand or technique changes without having to go to urethane or plastic.
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Post by: Zanatos1914 on January 18, 2011, 11:44:21 AM
Those most important thing dealing with bowling is reading the lane...
The first person that locates a line he/she can play will win the Game.. Just cause you bowl with no thumb, two hands or even 3 finger anybody can may adjustments and the ball reaction will change.. I could have been serveral this that was affecting his game that day but a different way of bowling is coming.. Get your game ready...
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Post by: Robert847 on December 31, 2011, 02:50:19 PM
Post by: Juggernaut on December 31, 2011, 04:55:20 PM
My son is now 22yrs old. When he was about 10yrs old, we went bowling. He wanted to use my bowling balls, which were a bit too heavy for him, so he was using both hands.
We soon got him a lighter ball, drilled to fit him, but he continued to use the two handed style, saying it just "felt right" to him. At the age of 14, he was able to develop more revs than any of his competition, and was as accurate as anyone else around. Problem was, he got tired of constantly being made fun of, or accused of cheating, for using the two handed style. Sadly, this made him start to hate bowling, and he soon dropped out about 7 years ago.
Now, he finds it hilariously funny, albeit sadly ironic, that some two handers are being hailed as the next great innovation in the sport of bowling. Sadly, when he tries to tell people he did this 10 years ago, nobody believes him, and now when he goes bowling, people tell him he's just copying them because their famous. Seems my son just can't win for the idiots out there that just don't get it.
I do not use two hands, nor do I see myself ever trying to, but it is a valid way to deliver the ball, and should be considered as "normal" a release as any other.
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Post by: xrayjay on December 31, 2011, 05:37:32 PM
in fact, these style attracked newcomers to the lanes in way or form.
I find that, bowlers who dislike no thumbers or two hand bowlers seem to be jealous of them, or can't beat them in match play it leagues...
I see kids in youth leagues under 8 use two hands...it'll be a said day if you tell a kid she/he can't bowl because they bowl with two hands.
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Post by: imholte08 on December 31, 2011, 05:38:43 PM
How about you give some evidence to support your claim? Using the logic you gave us, I think people named Kyle should not be allowed to bowl because I don't like Kyles. This all being flippant.
I understand you don't like them, but what is it that you don't like about them? My only complaint about them is they are lane destroyers. But I hardly see one, so it doesn't matter much to me. Their power is awe-inspiring. And the really good ones seem pretty accurate. If a player can better themselves further than what they could do one-handed, more power to them. I have toyed around with it, pretty fun way to bowl if you asked me. I just can't get the ball speed those guys get.
Post by: LuckyLefty on December 31, 2011, 07:09:26 PM
Some very interesting comments above.
I see two handed bowling as very analgous to the two handed backhand in Tennis. Immediately when it started many people noted it was more powerful and had more ability to Adjust the shot at the last instant. So it it is with two handed bowling. More power and the ability to adjust the shot both roll and direction with the other hand.
While in tennis the lack of reach is a serious issue, in Bowling that is not the case BUT flexibility seems to be. and in a period of time we will wonder why anyone is even bowling 1 handed! I agree and I see it as a version of no thumbing(more revs) with that helpful extra guide hand!
I've heard that Mo Pinel has commented that two handed bowling is the wave of the future
and some day we will say...".Why is that guy bowling 1 handed?"As to children being told they can't bowl....funny you say that. About 12 or 13 years ago my young at the time son wanted to throw my ball(like many kids do). He was 5 at the time and he straigned and picked it up and threw two handed on the side(like our current two handers). Before I knew it he was starting to get good and at age 5 threw a game over 140 using either a 8 or 10 pound ball! I was impressed and encouraged him to continue. He went in league and started bowling up maybe over 100 average at age 6 and the grumbling started. Within a week or two his local Yabba coach declared that his bowling was "illegal". Told him he would have to leave the laegue unless he learned to bowl correctly. He was very flustered to put in mildly and when I found out and talked to the misguided 150 average coach it was too late. He came back and was throwing 1 handed about 5 weeks later when he had regained his composure.
About 2 or 3 years ago a friend of his was doing great two handed and I encouraged him to try again. From near 190 average he is up over 210 and climbing. Several 750s this year on league shots and many threatens of higher series. His Dad is usually mincemeat in our Father Son matches and that has it's own enjoyment! He also has had some nice performances on sport shots in tournaments also.
Funny is his little brother has gone threw the same pattern of trying a heavier ball than he could use with a one handed throw and naturally switched to two handed. Who knows where he will go!
Two handed bowling I love watching it and wish I could do it well myself!
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Post by: Robert847 on January 01, 2012, 01:51:44 PM
Post by: gandalf2hands on January 10, 2012, 06:03:32 PM
If anything can help promote bowling, then 2 hands may be one way (not the only one!).. The PBA certainly aren't concerned with 2 handed bowlers, in fact sure they love it!! If it gets more kids into bowling, then great..
RE advantages, yes power and revs, but if u aren't accurate then it means absolutely nothing.. How many 2 handers do u see around 150-180 ave range in your house.. They are not consistant.. It may be a novelty to many, but others over time will continue throwing 2 hands and get that ave beyond 200...2 handed bowling is still growing.
It truly is the one big selling point over last 10 yrs for PBA to hang its hat on..
For the people who dislike it, I get it, but like the one handed delivery does takes serious time to get it down..
Post by: pin-chaser on January 25, 2012, 02:05:24 PM
No matter what era, bowling has been about power at the pins to carry shots that otherwise would not be carried (...ie of hits).. There is no other way to get that much power at the pins easier than with two hands in general. Two handed bowling will increase in popularity until the next wave of increased power at the pins is found.
I cant do it.. Ive tried several times. And if I could I would. There was a time I had enough power to exploit the patterns and lived on top of the world (at least in my mind). Now I am no where close. It looks so easy too. Darn it. More power to them.... lol.
Post by: RayRay310 on January 25, 2012, 02:54:56 PM
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on January 25, 2012, 09:35:13 PM
Agreed. Can't stand the hype about them. I see no advantage they have over somebody like Rash, Jones, Couch and all the other power bowlers. Throw it how you want but quit hyping it as the next great thing and trying to shove it down our throats.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 26, 2012, 05:36:44 AM
Really? Maybe here is a question for you..
How many top tennis players today still hit a one handed backhand? Why not?
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Edited by LuckyLefty on 1/26/2012 at 6:37 AM