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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: xrayjay on January 09, 2016, 04:45:40 PM
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Is yesterdays HyROad exact same formula/make as todays hyroad?
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Storm answer yes, real answer no.
There's a reason the pros are hoarding the 2008 or 2010 ones (whatever year)
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I heard about that before, pros stashing older hyroads...
you would think if a recipe worked so well, why add or take away from the original recipe. the rest is an imitation of the original one then...
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I heard about that before, pros stashing older hyroads...
you would think if a recipe worked so well, why add or take away from the original recipe. the rest is an imitation of the original one then...
Storm's resin supplier, with or without Storm's agreement seems to change the formula for their coverstocks. R2S seems to be a major focal point because so many balls over the past ~10 years or so use this now famous coverstock.
I have noticed this in several Storm-made balls which I have liked over the last 15 years or so. I really like the reaction and use I get from one ball and maybe 2 years late,r I buy the exact same ball (Major case in point, the RG Venus,) so as to have a replacement when my current one dies. I drill the new one and its reaction is nothing like the old one's. No matter what I do to the coverstock's surface, it's just not the same, even though the drilling is all but identical.
This appears to be the case when balls are made 1, 2 or 4 years later, when theoretically, the new one is the same formula, core and cover, as the old one.
Hey, its good that Storm is trying to keep a formula current to handle the new oils, but when only 2 years later, 2 supposedly identically made balls are almost nothing alike, "Something is rotten in Denmark."
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Unless you get balls out of the same batch they are never the same.
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So if you want to get the same storm ball, it has to be in the same batch year? or the batch that yields 200 balls, for example.??
Unless you get balls out of the same batch they are never the same.
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Literally the same batch, same run, etc.
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I heard about that before, pros stashing older hyroads...
you would think if a recipe worked so well, why add or take away from the original recipe. the rest is an imitation of the original one then...
Storm's resin supplier, with or without Storm's agreement seems to change the formula for their coverstocks. R2S seems to be a major focal point because so many balls over the past ~10 years or so use this now famous coverstock.
I have noticed this in several Storm-made balls which I have liked over the last 15 years or so. I really like the reaction and use I get from one ball and maybe 2 years late,r I buy the exact same ball (Major case in point, the RG Venus,) so as to have a replacement when my current one dies. I drill the new one and its reaction is nothing like the old one's. No matter what I do to the coverstock's surface, it's just not the same, even though the drilling is all but identical.
This appears to be the case when balls are made 1, 2 or 4 years later, when theoretically, the new one is the same formula, core and cover, as the old one.
Hey, its good that Storm is trying to keep a formula current to handle the new oils, but when only 2 years later, 2 supposedly identically made balls are almost nothing alike, "Something is rotten in Denmark."
Well, that may explain what happened to me a few years ago. I had bought a used Storm ball and really liked the reaction I got from it. Since it was used, I looked for and bought one with almost the exact same specs (top weight may have been different as I did not know what the original starting was but we took a guess on it) and had the layout duplicated. The reaction of the new one was not even close. Ended up going back to the used one.
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Unless you get balls out of the same batch they are never the same.
That may explain why some bowlers love a certain ball and others hate it?
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No, some people love a ball and others hate it because a lot of times people have a certain expectation of what a ball is going to do and it doesn't meet those expectations or their eye wants to see a certain reaction and it doesn't give it to them.
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It explains why my original wrecker was ungodly amazing the amd the second one was not worth a d*mn.
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No, some people love a ball and others hate it because a lot of times people have a certain expectation of what a ball is going to do and it doesn't meet those expectations or their eye wants to see a certain reaction and it doesn't give it to them.
That is always a factor to take into consideration when we're doing this type of comparison, including the oil absorption and surface status of the old ball compared to the brand new one. I tried to take those factors and add them into the comparison mix when I evaluated my bowling balls.
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Think about it this way as well. On the Hybrid where the company (any company) is combining either a solid and a pearl or 2 different solids or 2 different pearls or whatever, what if in batch one the cover mix was 1 part solid 1 part pearl, but in a subsequent batch, someone messed up and put 1 part solid 2 parts pearl. The 2nd batch will have more pearl than the first batch, thus a difference.
Remember a few years back when Brunswick messed up on the Sidewinders. People bought some of the initial batches and loved the reaction and a few subsequent batches were nowhere close. Come to find out, Brunswick failed to add the particle to the mix in some of the subsequent batches, so there were normal Sidewinders that had the expected particle in the cover, and some that were pure resin/no particle added. Obviously a difference in the amount of friction the cover will create.
Plus, if one batch is poured in June and another in December, you have atmospeheric differences. More humidity/more cold could cause the amount of moisture in the air to have a difference in the ball cure time which will affect the cover, plus if any moisture makes it into the covers from the humidity in the summer, I bet you will see a difference there as well. Using Brunswick again, when the company first started Reynosa, there was a learning curve because of the amount of humidity in Mexico versus Michigan. Brunswick had to make adjustments based upon what they saw compared to the old plant.
Plus, another difference could be the casting machines used. Plants are huge. One batch might have been run on casting machines 1, 2 and 3, where as a subsequent batch could have been on 4, 5 and 6. Different machines have differences.
How about what ball was poured prior to the ball being poured now? The reason why the new Black Hammer costs so much is because the cover is pure urethane and Ebonite stops production, cleans the lines and machines before running a batch so no resin or other material makes its way into the coverstock batch for the new Black Hammer to ensure it is pure. If a company does not clean it, and lets say Storm runs a ball with the NRG cover and behind it runs a ball that does not have the NRG cover, if Storm doesn't clean the lines good enough or whatever, the ball may have some slight differences based on the previously poured ball.
Right now I am LOVING my Optimus Solid from Storm. Best Storm ball I have had personally in many years, for me. Box said mine were poured in May 2015. I bet if I bought another one and it was a fresh pour, say November/December, because of the weather difference plus the possible difference in casting machine used and whatever was poured in front of the Optimus Solid compared to what was poured prior to the Optimus Solid in May, I bet I will see a difference between my old ones and new one. Only way to tell for sure would be to have one from May undrilled and one from the new run undrilled with similar specs, drill them the same, and see what happens.
This is why literally, to get the same ball, you need to get one from the same batch.
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A side note on the Hyroad...I moved to 15lb late last year. My 16lb Hyroad was awesome. My 15lb not so much... I drilled my 15 the same way was my 16.
After looking at the core numbers off the Storm website, the core specs are
- 16lb : 2.52 RG / 0.058 diff
- 15lb : 2.57 RG / 0.046 diff
If you saw these specs without a ball description, there is no way you would think these are the same ball. Judging by the way my 15lb ball rolls, I can tell you its not.
I think my Hyroad, with 3 games on it, is going back to the proshop on trade. Nothing like wasting $150 !!
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Check out the 14# Hyroad RG and Diff. Diff is .037....a reduction of more than a third of the diff in the 16# model (from .058 to .037, a reduction of .021 of diff, or 36.2%).
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I gave up on my 15lb Hyroad. That arsenal spot is better filled by the iQ Tour Solid. Honestly, for me, the iQ line of equipment still is the best in the industry. I wish I would have stumbled onto it sooner. I guess I will take the money from the Hyroad and put it towards the "iQ to be named later". I'm sure we will see something towards summer
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Is yesterdays HyROad exact same formula/make as todays hyroad?
I know this is an old topic but I thought I would put my two cents in. I picked up a couple of the new Hy Roads a couple of years ago and did not like them. They seemed to hook early and did not have the hitting power of the old ones. Living in Utah, close to Brigham City where Storm bowling balls are manufactured, I had a chance to talk to the quality control rep. He indicated that there were differences in the way the new ones are made but he would not go into specifics.
I have a old HyRoad that has over a thousand games on it and it rolls better than a lot of the newer equipment that has come out.
Reissuing a bowling ball line doesn't necessarily mean that the reissue will roll the same. Brunswick has reissued the Danger Zone, Rhino Pro, Quantum green, red and black, and they are not as good as the old issues. I am curious as to what people think of the reissued Hammer Vibe line.
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So in this case, I better hold on to my entire !Q line, which I own because eventually, they will design some more of them, and as mentioned, with different formulations of the coverstock, etc, it will present a totally different reaction/motion.
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In answer to the vibe question, I had a cobalt vibe that I replaced with the new Blue Vibe. Not quite the same as the cobalt but a very good core shell matchup that I like . Much better than the Virals that used the vibe core and were intended to replace the Vibes.
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The more hand you have, the more you'll love HyRoads.
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I've had 3 Hyroads and I haven't seen any difference in any of them. Yeah there will be small fluctuations caused by the fact the raw materials aren't always going to be exactly the same, but the bigger difference is how everything else around is changing. Oils are getting thicker and heavier, lanes are either being replaced or the existing lanes are getting older, your mechanics change slightly pretty well constantly, etc. Don't think there's anything magical about the early batch Hyroads, I'm still stunned how good the brand new ones are.
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Just bought my first Hy-Road a couple of months ago. The Hy-Road is so good I will buy another 1 maybe 2 if Storm decided to retire it.