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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: djgook on February 16, 2017, 07:50:51 AM
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Hello bowling family!
First I would like to say that I love the Timeless and it is my first Storm ball also its the first one I touched and threw. As you can see by my weapons I throw Hammer. I am a new bowler that throws two handed. I stand on the 35 and aim for the 15. I can not hit the pocket with the Timeless. I moved to the right some boards and the ball still goes brooklyn. I even went to the 40. The conditions of the house shot was heavy. The ball is drilled for a no thumb lay out from Radical which all of my balls are drilled http://radicalbowling.com/news#news/a-radical-look-into-no-thumb-drill-patterns?&_suid=14872523482840270536300650148 .
So I threw my Scandal, Scandal Pearl and my Red legend pearl standing on 35 and aiming at 15 and it goes in the pocket. I know the Timeless is not stronger then either Scandals. I do not know about RLP. all balls are drilled the same (aggressive). Is there anything else I can try.I added speed,lowered speed etc. Could it be that the rest of the balls are 14 and the Timeless is 15? I know a video can tell all and I will go to the lanes tomorrow if there any lanes and take a video and post it.
On a side note: The ball smell great!
Thanks for all the help in advance.
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I would be interested to know how your Viral Hybrid performs on the shot. Sounds like a classic case of your strong equipment being too strong.
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I'm no guru but why did you go heavier? I tried a lighter ball and I threw it way to fast, I would have to assume the opposite with a heavier ball.
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Hello bowling family!
I stand on the 35 and aim for the 15.
What does "aim for 15" mean? 15th board where on the lane - at laydown, at the arrows, at the break point? What is your breakpoint?
I'm not trying to be a stickler/that guy but saying "aim for 15" really doesn't tell us much of anything. If it's 15 at the arrows, do you spray and pray that the breakpoint is somewhere between 5 and 15 and end up in the pocket with the help of the trusty THS? If you want help, we need all the particulars to help you out.
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Personally wondering if pears may have hit the issues. Is the ball speed lower with the 15 lbs. ball?
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I will answer the questions that gas been asked.
-I went to a 15LBS. ball cause I was doing wrist curls for 6 months and it feels like now that I am hurling the 14 so I decided to try a 15. When I tried a friends 15 before the wrist curls I was tired and my wrist hurt in the middle of the second game.
- I will throw the Viral Hybrid in the video and see what happens.
- I said aiming for the 15 board(arrow) when the correct bowling term is rolling the ball through 15 (I am new and bowling lingo is the struggle lol). My break point (I am guessing that is when the ball make the flip to the pins) I couldn't tell you that. I have to learn how to follow the ball down lane to see where it breaks at. I can tell you that sometimes it looks like its going in the gutter and then it flips back into the pocket (Scandal). I also sometimes look at the shadow of the 6 and 10 pin(on the floor) and throw it between the two (I don't know where the ball is rolloing cause my eyes is on the shadow of the pins)
- It could be a case of strong pieces are drilled to strong, but I figured that since my scandal is drilled strong and I did not have any problems with it.I have a Dark legend drilled to go Long and Strong and I couldn,t get with it. It went to long for me.
- I will post a video and throw different pieces because I know it's not the ball it is the bowler. I take all advice cause you'll will see things that I am doing wrong and help me straighten it out.
-I took coaching classes but the coach really did not know how to teach a two handed bowler.(waste of money)
-Ball speed SEEMS to be the same.
I'm just guessing here and I know it's hard with out a vdeo,but should I try rolling it threw 20 and have the break point at 10?
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I'm just guessing here and I know it's hard with out a vdeo,but should I try rolling it threw 20 and have the break point at 10?
I mean make the break point at 5
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I'm just guessing here and I know it's hard with out a vdeo,but should I try rolling it threw 20 and have the break point at 10?
I mean make the break point at 5
roll it wherever you get the best reaction. also, have even tried touching the surface first?
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Break the cover, probably speeds up off the dry and can't "get up the hill" in oil.
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"Can not hit the pocket with the Timeless"
"Driver error" sounds to be the case... in contrast, an equally true statement would be like, "I can't park the Camry"
There's no way we can tell you where to play without seeing you bowl.
Bowling is all trial and error, and being able to get as close to repeating successful shots; with the ability to adjust according to lane condition ->> let the ball be your guide over the invisible oil pattern.
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U probably just need a set or 2 on the ball. Some factory polished storm stuff is very flippy and strong off the spot.
I find once the ball is tracked up, it's money.
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Very unhappy with mt Timeless! I was looking forward to that ball coming out. Now maybe is the time to sell it!
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Better move fast before word gets out it's trash.
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I threw my Timeless last night and was very impressed with it. Hoping it tames down a little with a few games on it like billdozer mentioned. I definitely wouldn't say it's junk at all. No need to be a two hander either.
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Try posting a video of the issue. Lot easier when we can see what you are doing versus what you can see you are doing.
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I Will try and get that up next week. Thanks!
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There are so many variables you have to keep in mind: Oil pattern length & volume, ball speed (14lbs vs 15lbs), ball surface, breakpoint. Is the Timeless hooking early and crossing over Brooklyn or is it making a huge move at the breakpoint? If it's all downlane then try knocking off the polish (2000 or 3000 abralon). That should smooth out the reaction and make it easier to get to the pocket.
The Timeless, for me, is not a ball I'm going to use on a fresh pattern. It's a ball that I'm going to use after some breakdown occurs and I want to open up the lane.
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Better move fast before word gets out it's trash.
Zing.
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As a Hammer Head I am just wondering if Belmo logo wasn't on it and Hy Road was on the ball would it be a better ball? I read a lot of disappointment that this ball was not that Hy Road. Remember this is my first Storm ball and I know nothing about the Hy Road. I will admit that if this ball was not influenced by a two hander I would have purchased another Hammer ball.
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No, it would probably have been seen as trying to milk the Hyroad name, and the response probably would have been about the same. The Hyroad Solid was awful, and it got a similar response. The Hyroad Pearl is spectacular though . .
And yes, the whole two hander thing is marketing. Everyone wants to be a two hander now, so they're striking while the iron is hot. Otherwise they'd have done the Norm Duke ball first, but no one wants to throw the ball like Norm Duke.
As a Hammer Head I am just wondering if Belmo logo wasn't on it and Hy Road was on the ball would it be a better ball? I read a lot of disappointment that this ball was not that Hy Road. Remember this is my first Storm ball and I know nothing about the Hy Road. I will admit that if this ball was not influenced by a two hander I would have purchased another Hammer ball.
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No, it would probably have been seen as trying to milk the Hyroad name, and the response probably would have been about the same. The Hyroad Solid was awful, and it got a similar response. The Hyroad Pearl is spectacular though . .
And yes, the whole two hander thing is marketing. Everyone wants to be a two hander now, so they're striking while the iron is hot. Otherwise they'd have done the Norm Duke ball first, but no one wants to throw the ball like Norm Duke.
As a Hammer Head I am just wondering if Belmo logo wasn't on it and Hy Road was on the ball would it be a better ball? I read a lot of disappointment that this ball was not that Hy Road. Remember this is my first Storm ball and I know nothing about the Hy Road. I will admit that if this ball was not influenced by a two hander I would have purchased another Hammer ball.
Norm was playing inside of 4th arrow the last game of the TOC and shot 249...I'd like to throw it like Norm.
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I'd rather throw it like norm than belmo
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Lol show me a teenager that would rather throw it like Norm than Belmo and you'll have me convinced.
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Lol show me a teenager that would rather throw it like Norm than Belmo and you'll have me convinced.
Teenagers are dumb. I have 2 living in my house lol
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Lol show me a teenager that would rather throw it like Norm than Belmo and you'll have me convinced.
Mine would. Actually he'd like to throw it however it takes to strike consistently. It's taken him awhile to get there though.
He's working on getting better throwing urethane up 5 as much as moving left and adjusting that way.
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Lol show me a teenager that would rather throw it like Norm than Belmo and you'll have me convinced.
So basically you're saying that teenagers are the market for the Timeless? All the adults that have bought one have been duped!!!
Seriously though, I get it. To borrow the analogy from baseball, "Chicks dig the long ball" and morph it into "Chicks dig the big hook". Because that's what sells...
It's just too bad though, there are bowlers who think they are going to get "Jason Belmonte's hook-in-a-box" from this ball.
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I'd rather throw it like norm than belmo
+1
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To the OP, check out our video. You will find a very high rev one-hander and two hander. It will at least give you a sense how deep they had to be to play this ball on the medium THS we play on. I think if you were on a true heavy shot, I doubt you would see the Timeless hook so much.
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Man O' man! Those last few videos that didn't make the cut, really tell a story.
This ball will really be a 50-50 crap shoot, depending on the operator!
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I just got rid of one, tell me about it, lol. But yeah to whoever else said it . . chicks dig the long ball. Bam.
Lol show me a teenager that would rather throw it like Norm than Belmo and you'll have me convinced.
Teenagers are dumb. I have 2 living in my house lol
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Man O' man! Those last few videos that didn't make the cut, really tell a story.
This ball will really be a 50-50 crap shoot, depending on the operator!
I'm confounded a bit to be honest. On our shot, we didn't see over/under, mostly over. So it looks like the ball needs more volume. On the other hand, I don't think it looked all that great on TV in the last couple of shows on the tough shots. Personally, I am not sure where this would fit in my arsenal. It covers more boards than anything else I have but I couldn't slot it in the "big" side of the bag really.
I haven't seen many locally yet to give a broader sense of more bowlers but from the 5 we had, the high rev guys had a really good look. As a tweener, while carry was phenomenal for me, to be honest I have no desire to have to play as deep as I had to play in the video.
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I'll put my snap lock up for trade to try the timeless. Anyone??....Bueller, Bueller, ....Bueller
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Man O' man! Those last few videos that didn't make the cut, really tell a story.
This ball will really be a 50-50 crap shoot, depending on the operator!
I'm confounded a bit to be honest. On our shot, we didn't see over/under, mostly over. So it looks like the ball needs more volume. On the other hand, I don't think it looked all that great on TV in the last couple of shows on the tough shots. Personally, I am not sure where this would fit in my arsenal. It covers more boards than anything else I have but I couldn't slot it in the "big" side of the bag really.
I haven't seen many locally yet to give a broader sense of more bowlers but from the 5 we had, the high rev guys had a really good look. As a tweener, while carry was phenomenal for me, to be honest I have no desire to have to play as deep as I had to play in the video.
I think this is a valid assessment. I think this ball is so unique as to really be useful to a niche group of players.....the crankers! The average joe is gonna be real disappointed when they realize they can't really control it. Just saying
(even if Diandra Asbaty did look good rolling it, LOL!)
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Man O' man! Those last few videos that didn't make the cut, really tell a story.
This ball will really be a 50-50 crap shoot, depending on the operator!
I'm confounded a bit to be honest. On our shot, we didn't see over/under, mostly over. So it looks like the ball needs more volume. On the other hand, I don't think it looked all that great on TV in the last couple of shows on the tough shots. Personally, I am not sure where this would fit in my arsenal. It covers more boards than anything else I have but I couldn't slot it in the "big" side of the bag really.
I haven't seen many locally yet to give a broader sense of more bowlers but from the 5 we had, the high rev guys had a really good look. As a tweener, while carry was phenomenal for me, to be honest I have no desire to have to play as deep as I had to play in the video.
I think this is a valid assessment. I think this ball is so unique as to really be useful to a niche group of players.....the crankers! The average joe is gonna be real disappointed when they realize they can't really control it. Just saying
(even if Diandra Asbaty did look good rolling it, LOL!)
The funny thing is I was pretty surprised by how much it hooked for all 5 of us after having watched it on TV and previous youtube videos. There was that one video where Belmo threw it as a pink and blue prototype. In our testing, it rolled much more like that for every tester. Whereas the production piece in other videos looks different. Maybe the ball is a bit more layout sensitive...
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Very unhappy with mt Timeless! I was looking forward to that ball coming out. Now maybe is the time to sell it!
How much? Haha
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The concensus has been larger Val angles and breaking the surface makes this ball a different monster all together. Doesn't shock me at all. All the ones I've seen with small Val angles are nuts off the spot. On a ths, this is undesirable.
Not standing up for the ball, just saying...
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The concensus has been larger Val angles and breaking the surface makes this ball a different monster all together. Doesn't shock me at all. All the ones I've seen with small Val angles are nuts off the spot. On a ths, this is undesirable.
Not standing up for the ball, just saying...
Ahhhhh! That makes sense! I have a lot of my equipment laid out that way, just so it can slow down coming around that corner! No skid-snap!
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The concensus has been larger Val angles and breaking the surface makes this ball a different monster all together. Doesn't shock me at all. All the ones I've seen with small Val angles are nuts off the spot. On a ths, this is undesirable.
Not standing up for the ball, just saying...
Seeing mostly the same thing here expect the shorter VAL ones seem to just fly threw the breakpoint and not be a strong enough cover (in most cases) to finish.
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Went 4x4x2 on mine with a weight hole roughly on my PAP. The ball was a little sensitive on slight misses left/right and on speed differnces at box finish. A little too much over/under. But it was not a horrible reaction. I had it taken down with a 3000 pad over the shine. Definitely an improvement. Might consider going to 2000 to smooth it out just a tad more.
It's definitely nowhere close to a bad ball in my hands, and I'm not throwing 2 handed (although I used to and still can). I do play right with some decent speed though. Moderate rev rate. Low tilt and lower-medium axis rotation. I don't like it as much as my NRP, but I've put up some decent scores/series since getting it last tuesday.
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I've also recently found out that it's 1500 polished. That explains EVERYTHING!!!
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It definitely needs oil and needs no help from a layout to get it to corner . .
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I was wrong regarding the Timeless. I took the cover off of it. Now it is more predictable then it was before! That is a ball bowlers should have in the bag!
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I would like to spark a converation without spamming the forums with this ball. If it makes the OP upset, I'll start another one.
Am I the only one that doesn't see Hy-Road out of this ball? Almost seems like a bigger Lights Out especially when using bigger VAL angles and breakinf the surface.
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I don't as well, IZPS or whatever his screenname is is right on the money this ball acts more like a Rocket on steroids, when I look at the reaction of this ball (Bowled against 2 people in the past 2 weeks throwing it) it clears the fronts, then picks up nicely in the mids, with a strong, yet smooth, continuous motion through the pins.
Nothing like the hyroad at all, and in my eyes, will ONLY benefit bowlers' with high revs, with just enough ball speed; Good ball, but but nothing special that's not already out or been out before. Just my 2 cents.
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I was wrong regarding the Timeless. I took the cover off of it. Now it is more predictable then it was before! That is a ball bowlers should have in the bag!
What surface are you using now? Mine is way too strong in the backend + unpredictable with the box finish..