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Equipment Boards => Hammer => Topic started by: bradl on April 06, 2017, 05:29:29 PM

Title: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: bradl on April 06, 2017, 05:29:29 PM

Just saw this ball being announced in today's email blast.

Looking at the finish, cover, and core, this doesn't look much different than the Bad Intentions, with a variant of the coverstock. Is this just the TNBA variant of a ball that is coming out, yet not one from the special reserve?

http://www.hammerbowling.com/products/balls/upper-mid-performance/rhodman

BL.
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: SVstar34 on April 06, 2017, 05:43:01 PM
I'd be surprised if this really sold well. I'm more interested in the 2 The Scorpion balls that showed up on the approved list
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: Bowl_Freak on April 07, 2017, 09:26:13 AM
I'm surprised Hammer hasn't capitalized on the "Thor" theme.
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: CoorZero on April 07, 2017, 09:46:36 AM
I'm surprised Hammer hasn't capitalized on the "Thor" theme.

Don't think Hammer could get past the trademarks unless they and Marvel agree to some sort of partnership.

Strange release. I mean, there is a spot for it in the current lineup but it seems to be a very small one.
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: djgook on April 07, 2017, 09:59:56 AM
On the site it says it is a great compliment to the Scandal.
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: SVstar34 on April 07, 2017, 10:05:32 AM
On the site it says it is a great compliment to the Scandal.

It's the Bad Ass/Intentions core with a variation of the Bad Intentions cover
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: CoorZero on April 07, 2017, 11:07:17 AM
On the site it says it is a great compliment to the Scandal.

Well, yeah. They have to say stuff like that. Companies aren't going to put something out there like "this ball has a lot of overlap with others in our lineup but it's still great so buy it!" or anything along those lines.

That's not to say the Rhodman won't be a good ball. Out of the Bad series the Intentions was the best from what I've seen and a remake isn't an awful idea. There's just a lot of other options for something that would cover similar conditions (and shape) in Hammer's own lineup.
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: billdozer on April 08, 2017, 06:59:11 AM
I'm surprised Hammer hasn't capitalized on the "Thor" theme.

Don't think Hammer could get past the trademarks unless they and Marvel agree to some sort of partnership.

Strange release. I mean, there is a spot for it in the current lineup but it seems to be a very small one.

Idk if Thor is really owned by marvel...That's Norse mythology...

Idk why they haven't either....I'd buy a mjonir or however u spell it hahaha
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: billdozer on April 08, 2017, 07:01:22 AM
I'm surprised Hammer hasn't capitalized on the "Thor" theme.

Don't think Hammer could get past the trademarks unless they and Marvel agree to some sort of partnership.

Strange release. I mean, there is a spot for it in the current lineup but it seems to be a very small one.

It's a TNBA ball


They've made quite a few over the years..

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Rythym
Chalk
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Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: CoorZero on April 08, 2017, 10:39:25 AM
Idk if Thor is really owned by marvel...That's Norse mythology...

Idk why they haven't either....I'd buy a mjonir or however u spell it hahaha

True. It might come down to how they would market the ball.

Mjollnir would be a cool name for a ball... although just trying to see and hear how people pronounce it at the pro shops would be even better.
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: lbss831 on April 09, 2017, 02:42:41 PM
I would have loved to see a pearl Bad Azz
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: djgook on May 05, 2017, 10:49:37 AM
As a new bowler why so many balls coming out so fast? It's like every 3 months or so. Technology isn't coming out that fast. All these "big hook" balls Cash,Ptibull,Mako,Gauntlet etc. Don't they all do the same job if its alot of oil down(ths). Just wondering.
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: HackJandy on May 18, 2017, 10:57:16 AM
>Don't they all do the same job if its alot of oil down(ths). Just wondering.

Yeah pretty obvious the industry to get the fattest margins has to really market the latest whiz bang big hook oilers when most people are better off with a nearly decade old Hy-road on the conditions they will see most.  I guess they succeeded in getting me to buy a Scandal pearl (at least it can do THS) lol.
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: Impending Doom on May 18, 2017, 11:07:09 AM
Let's explain this as simple as I can.

In theory:

Ball company brings out oil hungry monster.
Bowling center puts down more oil.
Oil hungry monster doesn't hook as much.
Ball company releases new oil hungry monster.

Ad nauseum.
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: BowlingforSoup on May 18, 2017, 11:59:48 AM
  Why would anybody buy anything new when there is so much good stuff on clearance.This every month ball stuff is about ridiculous.

  Maybe if your bowling PBA stuff it comes into play.But as an average league bowler it makes zero sense to me.As far as this Rhodman ball.Just a bad intention remake looks to me.
  Just bought 3 balls on clearance.Not a one over 60$.Thats 180 cant buy a Storm top of the line for hardly that.You guys keep buying the new stuff.Not a bash on any company but dang when is enough enough.

  USBC is about to crash but ball manufacturing is Booming.Maybe they need to merge together.
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: Juggernaut on May 18, 2017, 12:18:42 PM

  USBC is about to crash but ball manufacturing is Booming.Maybe they need to merge together.

 Why would the ball companies want to take on a lame duck failing business like the USBC?

 
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: HackJandy on May 18, 2017, 12:33:04 PM
Let's explain this as simple as I can.

In theory:

Ball company brings out oil hungry monster.
Bowling center puts down more oil.

Ad nauseum.

Must be nice living where they actually do that.  Here in Arizona they are too cheap to use more than say Kegel Main St. (days ago) usually.  Too often we have to bowl in hipster humping discotek bars that pretend to be bowling alleys.  Sadly it can be hard on even Sunday early afternoon to find lanes that even have the friggin lights on, ok rant over.

Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: itsallaboutme on May 18, 2017, 12:42:09 PM
In what fairy tale land is the ball business booming?

Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: HackJandy on May 18, 2017, 12:48:01 PM
Yeah probably not much margin making house balls which all the kids today need when they kick back in their ultra cool retro looking hipster bowling clothes and drink PBR or whatever.  Bowling and auto racing don't seem to have that bright a future what with millennials not having licenses little lone working on their cars and think bowling is a fashion social exercise instead of a sport.
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: BowlingforSoup on May 18, 2017, 05:15:27 PM
This land why would you continue pumping balls out like candy if you were not making money geeez.
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: itsallaboutme on May 18, 2017, 05:35:51 PM
You have no idea what you are talking about if you think the ball business is booming while everything else in the bowling industry is barely hanging on.
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: BowlingforSoup on May 18, 2017, 05:55:31 PM
Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over.Guess they are just insane.Making no money and having 100s of staffers getting free equipment.Lol
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: xrayjay on May 18, 2017, 06:07:33 PM
and sometimes ball companies will tell you to return those free stuff......

With all the work you have to do for the company... is it really free stuff?
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: itsallaboutme on May 18, 2017, 06:35:17 PM
Columbia Industries would have never sold to Ebonite 10 years ago if it was able to support itself.  There were a lot of changes over the last few years there before the sale trying to turn things around.

Global was in trouble before the Storm money.

Brunswick sold the consumer products division

I'm sure the Motiv fiasco was closer to breaking them than anyone thought.

With the rare exception, the ball sales cycle basically halves itself every month.  (100 month 1, 50 month 2, 25 month 3, ect.). The release of new names and colors resets the cycle.  The few balls that don't cycle this way stick around until they do start the cycle. 
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: Impending Doom on May 18, 2017, 08:38:55 PM
There is no money in bowling. I have a very good friend who is trying to buy a center near me which had been horribly mismanaged the last 8 years. It went up for auction for $2 million. 36 lanes, decent location, pro shop, food, bar, music venue upstairs, another bar and restaurant downstairs, volleyball, it's a great center for 2 mil.

No one even bid. My friend put in a bid for 1.5 mil and is being considered.

We don't do this for any decent money, but companies do. As much as I hate the ball of the month club, it does make sales. Hurts the shops, but helps the companies.
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: nycatl on May 19, 2017, 10:48:45 AM
  Why would anybody buy anything new when there is so much good stuff on clearance.This every month ball stuff is about ridiculous.

  Maybe if your bowling PBA stuff it comes into play.But as an average league bowler it makes zero sense to me.As far as this Rhodman ball.Just a bad intention remake looks to me.
  Just bought 3 balls on clearance.Not a one over 60$.Thats 180 cant buy a Storm top of the line for hardly that.You guys keep buying the new stuff.Not a bash on any company but dang when is enough enough.

  USBC is about to crash but ball manufacturing is Booming.Maybe they need to merge together.

B4S,

I like your style regarding ball purchases - clearance or nothing!  Just curious, what three were you able to get for $180?  Might need the name of your pro shop/distributor :)
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: DP3 on May 19, 2017, 12:54:51 PM
I spent $475 this month on "New" Equipment in online closeouts and got the following.

2 Gamebreaker 2 x-Outs
1 Legion Solid x-out
2 Columbia Impulse X-Outs
1 Mako X-Out

All the specs were great. I did get two short pins on the Gamebreaker 2s, but I have one high flare layout, one low flare layout and they roll amazing. It makes it really tough to justify a new ball purchase right away when they're going to closeout in a year's time, sometimes less.

Edit: Just to stay on topic, the Rhodman goes way longer than a Scandal and covers a lot of boards down lane. It reminds me of a very strong Gamebreaker 2 reaction. The Bad Intentions was a strong banana shaped roll that starts a lot earlier than the Rhodman.
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: BowlingforSoup on May 19, 2017, 10:58:49 PM
Well actually it was 172$. Melee hook 54$ Radical Asym 64$ 900 global Boost 54$All 3 are discontinued.
Title: Re: The Hammer Rhodman
Post by: Average Joe Reviews on May 22, 2017, 12:13:44 AM
Here is a video of the Rhodman! I hope it helps!