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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: thewhiz on April 18, 2017, 07:00:27 PM
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Received a used ball today with scribes lines on it. Is this normal. The ball is goughed. The guy said it was normal. Pros do it all the time. I assume they re finish the ball when done cause I don't see any lines on tv. Looks like a dumb idea to me. Why not just use a sharper pencil.
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Yes it's normal. Scribing can possibly provide a more accurate fit.
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+1... Personally, I'm a fan of scribing, no problems with it at all. Hated the first one I saw, but perfectly normal to me now.
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Yes very normal. All of mine are scribed by my PSO. Provides a more accurate fit and drilling.
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What is scribing?
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They do not refinish the ball, no need or reason too. If you don't like scribing, maybe you should resurface all the labels off the balls too because that's all kinds of gouging and ball damage there too. They gouge the living crap out of it at the factory and THEN fill all the gouges in with paint to make it super obvious.
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What is scribing?
Most of the time when you get a ball drilled, they mark where the grip is using a yellow grease/wax pencil.
Scribing is where instead of using a pencil, they use a metal "scribe" and etch the grip layout lines into the balls surface.
It's felt that this gives a more accurate layout for drilling.
Example:
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Here's from a article about the PBA’s Mobile Service Trucks
"Most pro shops use a grease pencil to mark the balls for drilling," Snellbaker says. "Scribing is much better, since it leaves a permanent record of the work and allows greater accuracy."
also when they drill balls, it's like a assembly line. The balls pass from hand to hand and pencil marks can get rubbed off.
Scribing is just a surface scratch (unless the guy had a heavy hand doing it) and if you sand your balls (say changing surfaces) regularly it will disappear.
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They do not refinish the ball, no need or reason too. If you don't like scribing, maybe you should resurface all the labels off the balls too because that's all kinds of gouging and ball damage there too. They gouge the living crap out of it at the factory and THEN fill all the gouges in with paint to make it super obvious.
#dead
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Scribing does NOT give a more accurate layout. My pro shop doesn't do it and my layouts are all accurate and the same. So are thousands of the other customers drillings they do. I wouldn't go to a pro shop that does it.
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Scribing does NOT give a more accurate layout. My pro shop doesn't do it and my layouts are all accurate and the same. So are thousands of the other customers drillings they do. I wouldn't go to a pro shop that does it.
If you can hit lines, it does indeed make a more accurate measurement. The thickness of a scribed line vs the thickness of a wax pencil mark can be the difference. I also don't know of any shop that does this without it being requested. To rule out a shop because they can use a scribe is one of the silliest reasons I've ever heard to not patronize a shop.
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Accuracy is with the person holding the ruler, not the instrument used to put the line on the ball. You can be accurate with a crayola crayon or chisel tipped sharpie if you had to and wanted to be.
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If you can't accurately scribe, doesn't matter how good you are at hitting the lines if they're in the wrong spot . . only reason I can see to do it is if several hands will be touching it, because like someone above said, it can't be wiped off or smudged like a grease pencil. I split lines on the ruler using a grease pencil, but I'm the only guy touching the ball and I measure a couple times in the process of drilling to make sure it's accurate. I prefer NOT to use a scribe specifically for this reason though, people don't like their balls being "all scratched up."
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Holy lol at this guy.
Scribing does NOT give a more accurate layout. My pro shop doesn't do it and my layouts are all accurate and the same. So are thousands of the other customers drillings they do. I wouldn't go to a pro shop that does it.
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One distinct advantage to a scribed ball is I can tell whether the PSO has hit the spot or not. With a grease pencil those Lines are gone before I receive the ball.
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And without a span ruler you still don't know if it's correct or not.
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You should be able to know when you put your hand in it, and just because they hit lines doesn't mean those lines were in the right spot to begin with.
You guys are overthinking this. Some people scribe, some don't, all that matters is having someone with high attention to detail that you can trust. The results matter, the process really doesn't.
One distinct advantage to a scribed ball is I can tell whether the PSO has hit the spot or not. With a grease pencil those Lines are gone before I receive the ball.
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I don't see the guys balls on tv that have scribe marks on them. So they do get sanded out. The guy above said the scribe mark stays in the ball.
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Aesthetics are important, but saying you wouldn't go to a shop that scribes is like saying the fragrance of a ball is more important than its reaction. They scribe because they're trying to be as accurate as possible; that's what you should care about. What's more important, how it looks or how it rolls?
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Again, my balls all roll great and they are NOT scribed. There is no real reason to do it and I think it looks like garbage. Laugh at me all you want. I know I am not the only who feels this way. If your ball driller cares about accuracy, they can do just fine with a colored pencil.
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Good points on both sides; However I also wouldn't want my balls scribed either.... to each his own, and they are pro shop operators for a reason... while it's a plus, they also should be able to do it, scribes or not.
I'm with the previous poster, but it's also a nice option for the bowlers's who does not mind it either, just not for me.
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When do you ever have a chance to see the grip center on tv? They absolutely do not get sanded out, why would they? Ball rep lays out ball, scribes layout on ball, guy in the truck drills it, that's how it happens. On tour it's necessary.
In a regular pro shop, scribing a ball shouldn't be necessary. However, caring whether there are scribed lines on a ball or not is a lot of attention and focus wasted in the wrong area on the wrong things. Those are the same people who take a ball up to the front counter to complain when they get a couple scratches. Give the ego a rest.
I will say this though, if someone scribes, it says to me that they have a high attention to detail and are very confident in their abilities. No one is going to scratch lines on a ball, miss those lines, and then hand the ball across the counter to you. I feel it's unnecessary, I personally prefer not to, but wouldn't care whether mine were scribed or not. Never ceases to amaze me how picky and finicky and pissy bowlers can be over the most insignificant things.
I don't see the guys balls on tv that have scribe marks on them. So they do get sanded out. The guy above said the scribe mark stays in the ball.
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Again, my balls all roll great and they are NOT scribed. There is no real reason to do it and I think it looks like garbage. Laugh at me all you want. I know I am not the only who feels this way. If your ball driller cares about accuracy, they can do just fine with a colored pencil.
How old are you?
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Anyone who has been in the proshop business would tell you there are lots of customers that would be P.O.d if you scribed their new $200 ball. Or even their new $70 plastic ball.
As ITZPS said, you can drill accurately with a wax pencil, simply measure to edges of lines not to centers.
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Again, my balls all roll great and they are NOT scribed. There is no real reason to do it and I think it looks like garbage. Laugh at me all you want. I know I am not the only who feels this way. If your ball driller cares about accuracy, they can do just fine with a colored pencil.
How old are you?
No real reason, but lots of fake ones!
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Again, my balls all roll great and they are NOT scribed. There is no real reason to do it and I think it looks like garbage. Laugh at me all you want. I know I am not the only who feels this way. If your ball driller cares about accuracy, they can do just fine with a colored pencil.
I'm not laughing at you, but I question your priorities. In the end, how the ball performs should be worth much more than how it looks. Now, you claim you're getting great reaction out of balls that aren't scribed, and that's great. Nobody here is saying that you must scribe in order to drill accurately; they're simply explaining the reason why it's done (to attempt to be more accurate) and stating that that should be the main focus, not how the ball ends up looking. That being said, I do think it's in a PSO's best interest to let a buyer know that he or she intends to scribe the ball rather than just doing it. If the bowler objects, the PSO should let him or her know why they would prefer to scribe but be willing to use pencil if that's truly what the bowler wants. In the end, it's a customer-service thing, so you do need to be concerned with giving the bowler what he or she wants.