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Equipment Boards => Roto Grip => Topic started by: Zaner on May 15, 2017, 11:39:11 PM
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I just ordered a Hustle SAY, wanted some feedback from people whole have it or have thrown it.
I bought it because i wanted something for when the lanes dry down.
Hear from you soon! Thanks
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Don't have the SAY, but I have the RIG, and it packs quite a punch for a low end piece.... You will like it in shorter/patterns/ lighter oils, just figure out the best layout/ surface. Great low-end balls for the budget price on the market!
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Thanks man! I have the Dare Devil, and the Dare Devil Trick, so I was looking for something to use when the lanes are really dry.
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Thanks man! I have the Dare Devil, and the Dare Devil Trick, so I was looking for something to use when the lanes are really dry.
I'm similar to you. I have the dare devil trick and the no rules pearl. I am looking at getting either the hustle PRO, the freestyle Rush or the bubble gum boost.
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Ive been sticking to Roto Grip for now. I think all the stuff they got coming out soon is HP-3 or 4. I want to try something i can shoot straight on dry.
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Keep in mind though that Roto's low end equipment has a reputation to be much STRONGER than what it was designed for.... so layout/surface will play a major factor as well, good luck.
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I'm not a fan at all. Loco Solid? Yeah, one of the best balls they ever made. Hustles? Way too strong for their intention, they aren't dry lane balls at all. Core too strong for the cover and by the time you adjust the cover to match, you've got something way stronger than you were after. I haven't actually hated a ball in a long time, and the SAY was better than the PRO, but the Hustles aren't for me . .
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I'm not a fan at all. Loco Solid? Yeah, one of the best balls they ever made. Hustles? Way too strong for their intention, they aren't dry lane balls at all. Core too strong for the cover and by the time you adjust the cover to match, you've got something way stronger than you were after. I haven't actually hated a ball in a long time, and the SAY was better than the PRO, but the Hustles aren't for me . .
I agree with you: they are as far from a dry lanes ball as it is possible to get for a manufacturer's entry line.
But they are a step down from the Dare Devils, which is what the original poster seems to want. "DRY" is a very relative term.
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I'm non familiar with the SAY but have the PRO. As others have said, the Hustle balls are way to strong for dryer lanes. For me standing 25 targeting seven isn't what I needed in a dry lane ball. I bought the PRO to replace an old Sonic Boom and because of the similarities in RG and Differential, I thought the PRO would fit. My first instinct was to go with a Storm Joy Ride which I should have followed.
The SAY may turn out to be the ticket for you. For me a low speed stroker, the Hustle line is way to much ball on the dry.
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I agree that they are too strong for the conditions intended, however, it will always be about not only core /cover combo, BUT also how it's drilled/surface as well. I drilled mine weak and smoothed out the cover to have a ball that fits perfectly to the tee; However, I do agree; again as we all know, Roth Grip's lower end pieces are usually FAR from weak, which makes it difficult to choose what you need on the low end.
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Thanks everyone for the replies, I think I will find that the Hustle SAY will work fine for me. Im a high speed (16-17mph) Stroker, and I usually throw around the 10 out to the 3 or 4. Im basically looking for a step down from my Dare Devil.
Any more feedback is much appreciated.
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Then you're probably in good shape. It acts a lot like a weaker Dare Devil.
Thanks everyone for the replies, I think I will find that the Hustle SAY will work fine for me. Im a high speed (16-17mph) Stroker, and I usually throw around the 10 out to the 3 or 4. Im basically looking for a step down from my Dare Devil.
Any more feedback is much appreciated.
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Awesome thanks!
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I'm not a fan at all. Loco Solid? Yeah, one of the best balls they ever made. Hustles? Way too strong for their intention, they aren't dry lane balls at all. Core too strong for the cover and by the time you adjust the cover to match, you've got something way stronger than you were after. I haven't actually hated a ball in a long time, and the SAY was better than the PRO, but the Hustles aren't for me . .
I know your Storm staff. But as a bowling guy, how would the PRO compare to the boost or the new freestyle rush coming out.
I really need an up 5 type ball for when the lanes break down and I'm fighting to find oil inside with the bigger pieces I have
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The Hustle isn't that ball. As far as an up 5 type ball, the Boosts are still too strong (depending on how you throw the ball and oil volume), and Motiv is hard to figure out. Their low end stuff hooks more than it should and the high end stuff hooks less than it should. If Roto was still making the Loco Solid, that would be the one, but they aren't. The Tropical Storms are a lot weaker now than they used to be, but my wife has one and they just seem kind of dead. The Ride was one of the best dry lane balls I'd seen in a while but it's already discontinued. Not sure what to recommend in terms of a good dry lane ball right now honestly aside from urethane.
I'm not a fan at all. Loco Solid? Yeah, one of the best balls they ever made. Hustles? Way too strong for their intention, they aren't dry lane balls at all. Core too strong for the cover and by the time you adjust the cover to match, you've got something way stronger than you were after. I haven't actually hated a ball in a long time, and the SAY was better than the PRO, but the Hustles aren't for me . .
I know your Storm staff. But as a bowling guy, how would the PRO compare to the boost or the new freestyle rush coming out.
I really need an up 5 type ball for when the lanes break down and I'm fighting to find oil inside with the bigger pieces I have
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Yeah, boosts are stronger than advertised. Unless you were to lay the core down with a short pin to pap, it's just too strong off the spot if you're looking to keep it in the dirt. Then kill the surface. Rush too. A Rush with a 1 inch pin to pap might work...
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I throw around 16.5 mph with a medium rev rate. I've never really cared to figure my exact rev rate but I'm not rev dominant nor low revs. On a typical house shot I can throw my dare devil trick or no rules pearl comfortably. I'm never releasing left of the head pin. I agree that a tropical breeze won't be enough ball for what I need. I think the hustle might be too much. Really looking for something a little less than a hustle
The Hustle isn't that ball. As far as an up 5 type ball, the Boosts are still too strong (depending on how you throw the ball and oil volume), and Motiv is hard to figure out. Their low end stuff hooks more than it should and the high end stuff hooks less than it should. If Roto was still making the Loco Solid, that would be the one, but they aren't. The Tropical Storms are a lot weaker now than they used to be, but my wife has one and they just seem kind of dead. The Ride was one of the best dry lane balls I'd seen in a while but it's already discontinued. Not sure what to recommend in terms of a good dry lane ball right now honestly aside from urethane.
I'm not a fan at all. Loco Solid? Yeah, one of the best balls they ever made. Hustles? Way too strong for their intention, they aren't dry lane balls at all. Core too strong for the cover and by the time you adjust the cover to match, you've got something way stronger than you were after. I haven't actually hated a ball in a long time, and the SAY was better than the PRO, but the Hustles aren't for me . .
I know your Storm staff. But as a bowling guy, how would the PRO compare to the boost or the new freestyle rush coming out.
I really need an up 5 type ball for when the lanes break down and I'm fighting to find oil inside with the bigger pieces I have
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I just don't think that exists right now. Again, Loco Solid would have been perfect, no idea why it wasn't successful. If you can find an original Ride anywhere, that would fit the bill, just not sure how many of those are still around.
I throw around 16.5 mph with a medium rev rate. I've never really cared to figure my exact rev rate but I'm not rev dominant nor low revs. On a typical house shot I can throw my dare devil trick or no rules pearl comfortably. I'm never releasing left of the head pin. I agree that a tropical breeze won't be enough ball for what I need. I think the hustle might be too much. Really looking for something a little less than a hustle
The Hustle isn't that ball. As far as an up 5 type ball, the Boosts are still too strong (depending on how you throw the ball and oil volume), and Motiv is hard to figure out. Their low end stuff hooks more than it should and the high end stuff hooks less than it should. If Roto was still making the Loco Solid, that would be the one, but they aren't. The Tropical Storms are a lot weaker now than they used to be, but my wife has one and they just seem kind of dead. The Ride was one of the best dry lane balls I'd seen in a while but it's already discontinued. Not sure what to recommend in terms of a good dry lane ball right now honestly aside from urethane.
I'm not a fan at all. Loco Solid? Yeah, one of the best balls they ever made. Hustles? Way too strong for their intention, they aren't dry lane balls at all. Core too strong for the cover and by the time you adjust the cover to match, you've got something way stronger than you were after. I haven't actually hated a ball in a long time, and the SAY was better than the PRO, but the Hustles aren't for me . .
I know your Storm staff. But as a bowling guy, how would the PRO compare to the boost or the new freestyle rush coming out.
I really need an up 5 type ball for when the lanes break down and I'm fighting to find oil inside with the bigger pieces I have
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I had a similar post a bit ago because I was looking into the RIG and Wreck It to finalize my lineup. The Group here shifted me towards the Hectic and Trop Breeze. You may want to look at those as well.
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I know I should be focusing more on performance than color, but im not into purple or pink.
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I just bought a tropical storm, the black/cherry one with the hybrid cover. The other colors are pearl. Drilled it pin up above my ring finger about 6in from my PAP. I'm med/high speed and med/high revs, about 70 degree rotation and 15 degree tilt. I've only thrown it for a few games in practice and haven't really had the chance to throw it on a burned up/dry pattern. Tried my best to simulate that during my 1st practice session with it. I bowled the 1st 4 or 5 games with my no rules solid to break it down best I could just bowling by myself.
It covers more boards on the back end than I thought it would, more than I wanted actually but I can work with it. I bought it specifically to throw up the boards in between 5 and 10 when there is way to much over/under coming across mid lane.
It really sucks there isn't more demo days but maybe you can get lucky and test/compare the tropical storm against the hustle. You might be surprised at how many boards the tropical storm can cover. Only time it didn't recover was if my hand came around the ball on the release. I'm guessing the weak lightbulb core in the Tropical Storm means it won't recover as much on bad shots. But that is more my fault, not the ball.
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I'm going to say that has more to do with the hybrid cover, all the pearl ones I've seen are significantly weaker than the black cherry.
I just bought a tropical storm, the black/cherry one with the hybrid cover. The other colors are pearl. Drilled it pin up above my ring finger about 6in from my PAP. I'm med/high speed and med/high revs, about 70 degree rotation and 15 degree tilt. I've only thrown it for a few games in practice and haven't really had the chance to throw it on a burned up/dry pattern. Tried my best to simulate that during my 1st practice session with it. I bowled the 1st 4 or 5 games with my no rules solid to break it down best I could just bowling by myself.
It covers more boards on the back end than I thought it would, more than I wanted actually but I can work with it. I bought it specifically to throw up the boards in between 5 and 10 when there is way to much over/under coming across mid lane.
It really sucks there isn't more demo days but maybe you can get lucky and test/compare the tropical storm against the hustle. You might be surprised at how many boards the tropical storm can cover. Only time it didn't recover was if my hand came around the ball on the release. I'm guessing the weak lightbulb core in the Tropical Storm means it won't recover as much on bad shots. But that is more my fault, not the ball.
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My PSO on the navy base where I'm stationed stocked the ebonite cyclone strike for vets. I may look into it too
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I just don't think that exists right now. Again, Loco Solid would have been perfect, no idea why it wasn't successful. If you can find an original Ride anywhere, that would fit the bill, just not sure how many of those are still around.
I throw around 16.5 mph with a medium rev rate. I've never really cared to figure my exact rev rate but I'm not rev dominant nor low revs. On a typical house shot I can throw my dare devil trick or no rules pearl comfortably. I'm never releasing left of the head pin. I agree that a tropical breeze won't be enough ball for what I need. I think the hustle might be too much. Really looking for something a little less than a hustle
The Hustle isn't that ball. As far as an up 5 type ball, the Boosts are still too strong (depending on how you throw the ball and oil volume), and Motiv is hard to figure out. Their low end stuff hooks more than it should and the high end stuff hooks less than it should. If Roto was still making the Loco Solid, that would be the one, but they aren't. The Tropical Storms are a lot weaker now than they used to be, but my wife has one and they just seem kind of dead. The Ride was one of the best dry lane balls I'd seen in a while but it's already discontinued. Not sure what to recommend in terms of a good dry lane ball right now honestly aside from urethane.
I'm not a fan at all. Loco Solid? Yeah, one of the best balls they ever made. Hustles? Way too strong for their intention, they aren't dry lane balls at all. Core too strong for the cover and by the time you adjust the cover to match, you've got something way stronger than you were after. I haven't actually hated a ball in a long time, and the SAY was better than the PRO, but the Hustles aren't for me . .
I know your Storm staff. But as a bowling guy, how would the PRO compare to the boost or the new freestyle rush coming out.
I really need an up 5 type ball for when the lanes break down and I'm fighting to find oil inside with the bigger pieces I have
I feel like the only reason the Loco Solid didn't sell that well was because of the colors and shelf appeal. I don't mind that stuff, but seems like even some in tbe forum do. Just sucks because it's rare to get such good pieces thst excel.
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I agree completely, I put a strong drilling on by hybrid tropical breeze, and it does absolutely nothing, even playing up 2/3 board on the driest conditions.
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tropical breeze hybird is the way to go had them drilled strong and weak with good result with both.
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Practiced again last night with my Tropical Storm hybrid. Pulled it out of the bag on the 3rd game and used it for about 3 games total. Playing straight up the boards keeping it between 1st and 2nd arrow. I'm a low axis tilt and my track is only about inch left of my thumb and fingers. As long as I had a good release and stayed behind the ball it made its way down to breakpoint and made a strong move to the pocket with lots of carry. I was as able to keep that line for about 3 games until I started hitting high. The ball didn't like moving left and playing a deeper line with more total hook. Most of the time it would not make it back to the pocket strong enough and started to leave flat and ringing tens.
Can't wait till summer league starts so I have this ball as an option for game 3. In my fall leagues that just ended my game 3 average was about 10 pins lower than game 1 and 2 by the end of the season. Hopefully the tropical storm will fix that.
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Sorry to hijack this thread about the hustle SAY. I'm sure that ball would have had good results as well and I would have loved to demo both before making the purchase. Either way, Roto and Storm are the same company so all the money goes to the same pot, lol.
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My Hustle SAY arrived yesterday and I was able to get it drilled with Vacu Grips.
Was not able to throw it yet because I hurt my back recently. Ball looks great and I cant wait to throw it down the lanes.
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That's cool and I hope it works out for you. Let us know.
For what it's worth the one thing I don't like about the tropical storm is the tropical storm logo and storm logo are both stamped on the left side of my ball and directly on my track. I can hear my ball "clicking" down the lane like it's got a chip in it or something. Bugs the heck out of me. Hopefully the SAY doesn't come stamped like that.
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Nope, its out of the way of my track. I really wish I could go throw it.
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Lol then there's some missing information here, I start between 2nd and 3rd arrow with mine on our regular house shot.
I agree completely, I put a strong drilling on by hybrid tropical breeze, and it does absolutely nothing, even playing up 2/3 board on the driest conditions.
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Lol then there's some missing information here, I start between 2nd and 3rd arrow with mine on our regular house shot.
I agree completely, I put a strong drilling on by hybrid tropical breeze, and it does absolutely nothing, even playing up 2/3 board on the driest conditions.
With a Tropical Breeze/Storm Hybrid?
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Yeah. The hybrid is a few boards stronger than the pearl, the pearl is more a straight up 2nd arrow ball for me but they all still hook. If anyone is going straight down the lane with it and it looks like plastic even on the driest conditions . . there's something up with that.
Lol then there's some missing information here, I start between 2nd and 3rd arrow with mine on our regular house shot.
I agree completely, I put a strong drilling on by hybrid tropical breeze, and it does absolutely nothing, even playing up 2/3 board on the driest conditions.
With a Tropical Breeze/Storm Hybrid?
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I concur. The Tropical Storm hybrid will cover plenty of boards if thrown properly. It is a game saver for me when things get tight and/or dry. It isn't a strong ball by any means and occasionally with leave a 10 pin when a stronger ball with a stronger entry angle would likely kick it out or send a messenger across the lane.
But when things are getting tough it is easy to keep in the pocket. I will take 9 and spare all day instead of splits that I have zero chance of converting.
And in my opinion that is exactly what the tropical storm is designed for.
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I don't disagree with either of you guys' assessment, having said that, it's also why it's great to have different experiences for different bowlers, to see how each person experienced a different ball, on a certain condition, drilled similar, with similar surfaces, to generate different opinions.
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'' Different strokes for different folks".
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Finally got to throw my Hustle SAY, and I like it. Very clean on dryer lanes or when the lanes break down fast.