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General Category => PBA => Topic started by: thewhiz on May 29, 2017, 10:28:01 AM
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I see on CBS sports network pba has a tour finals event round 1. Is that live. If not when did they do the matches.
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It was May 18-20 in Orlando
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Heck, I have no idea what they even mean bu=y the "Tour Finals"??????
And why is it listed on the PWBA section of the online TV Guide????
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Heck, I have no idea what they even mean bu=y the "Tour Finals"??????
And why is it listed on the PWBA section of the online TV Guide????
They haven't explained it very well on previous broadcasts. The Main Event Finals included the top 8 in money over the last 3 seasons. They split the 8 into 2 groups of 4 to bowl multiple series against each other
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Oh look, the PBA is doing another lame promotion that won't boost viewership.
They should go back to, ya know, bowling. In places. With prize funds.
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Heck, I have no idea what they even mean bu=y the "Tour Finals"??????
And why is it listed on the PWBA section of the online TV Guide????
They haven't explained it very well on previous broadcasts. The Main Event Finals included the top 8 in money over the last 3 seasons. They split the 8 into 2 groups of 4 to bowl multiple series against each other
Thanks. OK, at lest now I have some idea of what will happen.
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Oh look, the PBA is doing another lame promotion that won't boost viewership.
They should go back to, ya know, bowling. In places. With prize funds.
You sound a little bitter. Could that it's because they're trying to push a camel through the eye of a needle? :)
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Oh look, the PBA is doing another lame promotion that won't boost viewership.
They should go back to, ya know, bowling. In places. With prize funds.
You sound a little bitter. Could that it's because they're trying to push a camel through the eye of a needle? :)
Lol, bitter is my middle name.
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Oh look, the PBA is doing another lame promotion that won't boost viewership.
They should go back to, ya know, bowling. In places. With prize funds.
You sound a little bitter. Could that it's because they're trying to push a camel through the eye of a needle? :)
Lol, bitter is my middle name.
Missed the allegory:
An old Arabic or Muslim (not sure which) saying: "It's easier for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than it is to push a camel through the eye of a needle."
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Oh look, the PBA is doing another lame promotion that won't boost viewership.
They should go back to, ya know, bowling. In places. With prize funds.
You sound a little bitter. Could that it's because they're trying to push a camel through the eye of a needle? :)
Lol, bitter is my middle name.
Missed the allegory:
An old Arabic or Muslim (not sure which) saying: "It's easier for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than it is to push a camel through the eye of a needle."
Dang it, Charlest, you caught me on an off day!!
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Charlest, you sure about that quote?
I always heard it the other way round.
"It us easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven".
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Bible verse Matthew 19:24... (one of my favorites)... "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.†Persians used the saying elsewhere referencing an elephant.
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Charlest, you sure about that quote?
No, of course not. :)
I always heard it the other way round.
"It us easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven".
I'm old and dumber now. I don't care if they feed the rich man to the camel or not.
Rich man, camel, goat, dates, same, same. :)
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I'd say at least half of the 15 people in attendance had a good time. :o
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Wow yeah I was just going to say the same thing. I watched for a solid 5 minutes and turned it off. What a disaster. Just looked like those guys got together to practice a bit and somebody turned a video camera on. I'd love to see the ratings for that.
I'd say at least half of the 15 people in attendance had a good time. :o
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The Anne Hathaway look-alike that was sitting in the back was hot IMHO.
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Are the owners of the PBA actually TRYING to kill bowling??
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I love the moment where Belmo says... "I hate this shit!" on tv... I am all for bowling on tv, but things like this with no viewers watching the event live, and with all the arcade games behind it looks bad to our sport!
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i thoroughly enjoyed watching jesper kick some butt
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And maybe next time DON'T seat the hyperactive, armwaving kid down at laneside.
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Are the owners of the PBA actually TRYING to kill bowling??
They hated it for years!
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Unwatchable!! I think high school kids with a $500 dollar budget and a phone could do a better production than this. I'm sure no expense was spared as from the looks of things hundreds were spent. It even seemed to me that this was the last place several of the players wanted to be.
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some players seemed upset and annoyed to be there it appeared. not many smiles, just going through the motions. Got to love it when almost half the audience is industry people and not the public
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They should seem interested, $30k for the winner is still a "lot" of money in the bowling world these days. Not compared to other sports like fishing and all where winners of tourneys get well over $100k i believe. Sponsorship is what is killing bowling, or lack thereof.
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Competitive bowling is killing itself . . sponsors don't want anything to do with it in the condition it's in, and sponsor dollars aren't going to fix a fundamentally deficient product, just going to prop it up for a while. One of my sayings is that if the product is good, you won't have to worry about the numbers. Product sucks, and until the product is fixed, the numbers will reflect that.
They should seem interested, $30k for the winner is still a "lot" of money in the bowling world these days. Not compared to other sports like fishing and all where winners of tourneys get well over $100k i believe. Sponsorship is what is killing bowling, or lack thereof.
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some players seemed upset and annoyed to be there it appeared. not many smiles, just going through the motions. Got to love it when almost half the audience is industry people and not the public
With ultra dork Tom Clark laneside smiling ear to ear like he really did something special.
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Can anyone tell me exactly when bowling had any decent sponsors or prize money. I am 69 years old, and not in my lifetime has more than 8 or 9 guys been able to make a living from the game at any one time. A good friend of mine was a top 20 money winner for 2 straight years with a title in the late 70's. He had a down year the 3rd year and was off the tour with no sponsor in year 4.
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Back when the breweries had teams they sponsored.
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Best chance would likely have been 70s to the 90s. Money was the same or better than now with a much lower cost of living. That's probably the best era professional bowling has seen.
Can anyone tell me exactly when bowling had any decent sponsors or prize money. I am 69 years old, and not in my lifetime has more than 8 or 9 guys been able to make a living from the game at any one time. A good friend of mine was a top 20 money winner for 2 straight years with a title in the late 70's. He had a down year the 3rd year and was off the tour with no sponsor in year 4.
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70s and 80s weren't as bad as today, but Firestone was the only decent sponsor, and anyone below the top 10 in money was one bad year away from going broke. My old doubles partner had 3 titles and 7 seconds during that period and he will be working in a pro shop till he is 70.
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That was over 30 years ago. A couple hundred thousand dollars isn't set you up for life money.
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That's my point. 10 years on tour with multiple titles and he probably didn't make 300K during that time. The other tough thing is that, unlike golf, there is no real way to make a decent livelihood in the game after a successful tour run.
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If he made 300k, imagine how much he had to pay his backers. Horsies have to pay up!
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Nobody is forced to bowl on Tour. It's an alternative for the guys allergic to work.
If someone spends 10 years bowling and doesn't figure out what they are going to do when they get done then they are just not very smart. And if they spend 10 years and aren't at least making some get a head in life money they spent 7 years to long doing it.
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Heck probably in 5 years a person will be able to make more money playing some bowling e-sport (fapping motion) video game than the real thing sadly. Bless those Millennial hearts.
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Heck probably in 5 years a person will be able to make more money playing some bowling e-sport (fapping motion) video game than the real thing sadly. Bless those Millennial hearts.
That's already the case. Maybe not with bowling just yet, but probably.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/gaming/2017/06/21/professional-esports-becoming-more-lucrative/413662001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/gaming/2017/06/21/professional-esports-becoming-more-lucrative/413662001/)
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IMHO the number of bowlers that could make a living off the tour by season based on approx. $50k a year.
*Not factoring in personal sponsorship's
2004-2005: Top 38
2005-2006: Top 38
2006-2007: Top 22
2007-2008: Top 25
2008-2009: Top 26
2009-2010: Top 20
2010-2011: Top 15
2011-2012: Top 9
2012-2013: Top 19
2014: Top 21
2015: Top 26
2016: Top 23
2011-2012 took a major hit.
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The $50k mark isn't even close. Try 75 or 80 to compare it to earning $40k at regular job.
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The $50k mark isn't even close. Try 75 or 80 to compare it to earning $40k at regular job.
Why a $35-40k gap?
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Expenses. Entry fees, hotel, food, rental car, flights, gas, drilling fees, transport fees. Back when there was 30-35 events a year guys would average about $1000 a week in expenses. And that is on the cheap side. There were guys that definitely spent more.
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True. With the extremely trimmed down number of events, I have to imagine that number has dropped some. $35-40k sounds like steak dinners every night lol
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Except all the money stats for recent years include the WBT, regionals, sr and sr regionals. The PBA does everything it can to make the numbers look better than they really are.
Ask somebody like Mike Devaney how PBA life as a two time champion was when he didn't even have enough money to get to Detroit for a guaranteed check.
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Here's a good example that everyone isn't eating steak. Mike Fagan averaged about $75k for the 10 years he bowled and quit in 2015 to go back to school (arguably at the peak of his career). His last 3 full time years were $116k, 90k, 116k. I'm sure he would tell you he wasn't living 25k a year above a good living.
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Expenses. Entry fees, hotel, food, rental car, flights, gas, drilling fees, transport fees. Back when there was 30-35 events a year guys would average about $1000 a week in expenses. And that is on the cheap side. There were guys that definitely spent more.
Exactly. More for fun than anything else, I do the PBA50 swing in Las Vegas every year. It's turning into more of a "Hall of Fame" swing for the guys who camped out on PBA telecasts in the late 90's.
There is no real money in these events. What you can make at the Sr. US Open and the Sr. US Masters was a monthly paycheck at my day job before I retired. I wonder if most of these guys have been reduced to scraping a living in proshops and giving lessons is all that they have left.
It's not a fairytale ending.....
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When I started at Elite there were 2 PBA Hall of Fame members on staff. One had his monthly check overnighted to him and the other had to use the company credit card to book his plane tickets instead of being reimbursed. It was actually kind of sad to see a couple guys you grew up emulating reduced to that.
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Meanwhile a number of Pets.com ver 3.0 unicorns that will never make money (hell a lot of them have business plans even my 6yo could point out the flaws in) are worth billions in Silicon Valley. What a world.
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You're supposed to browse ebay once you start drinking.
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Pretty sad they can't find good sponsership anymore.Heck the majors hardly pay anything.Seems like when Microsoft guys bought it that was the decline and it never has recovered.The Main Event Tour finals is sad.The Bowlers don't even look like they want to be there.Hardly any crowd really sad.And good old Tom Clark just a grinning like a possum.Almost been CEO and Commissioner 10 years.About time for him to go.
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> been CEO and Commissioner 10 years.About time for him to go
But then who will fly around the world including partying at the Olympics on the bowlers dime?
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Pretty sad they can't find good sponsership anymore.Heck the majors hardly pay anything.Seems like when Microsoft guys bought it that was the decline and it never has recovered.The Main Event Tour finals is sad.The Bowlers don't even look like they want to be there.Hardly any crowd really sad.And good old Tom Clark just a grinning like a possum.Almost been CEO and Commissioner 10 years.About time for him to go.
The owners of the PBA obviously do not care nor do they have a clue. Somehow, the PBA members need to take back professional bowling as they are the ones with the most at stake.
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They need a PBA member/Bowling propiertor as a CEO/ Commissioner.Someone that was successful on tour and has a successful bowling alley business.The last Main Event show had 25 people maybe watching.Really sad the payout is actually decent 30,000$.Probably only because Main Event is popping up everywhere.I am sure they put the money up.They are building one in my city opens next month.Hopefully they know how to keep bowlers happy.We have 3 other centers here .Owned by Strike & Spare and they are terrible.Anybody have a Main Event they bowl in.If so let me know your experience there.
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The PBA can't bring in sponsorship. Therefore, it's doomed. You would think that with big wigs from MS owning the place, they could get some cash. Oracle, Amazon, not Google or Apple. Imagine seeing the Sun Microsystems Tournament of Champions. Nokia present the US Open. The AMD Ryzen National Championship!
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I agree this no sponsorship is ridiculous.There are tons of great bowlers around the country.They will never get to showcase their talent.
You can't make a good living being a PBA member.Only a select few make enough to survive.10 years is long enough this guy needs to go.This ship has sunk.
I keep hoping somehow bowling makes a comeback.Not for me I am old news at 56.I still love the game Just hoping for the younger guys to get to experience winning some good cash.
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A waste of time from a viewers standpoint.
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Sadly, the last five posts pretty much sum up the way it has always been. I came out of college in 1971 to a 10k per year job
That left me in better shape than a top 20 money winner on tour.