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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: Nmpdx on June 21, 2017, 01:46:21 PM
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So I know I am in the storm section. Being that i own 6 storm balls. But does anyone feel like storm is starting to losing some ground? More and more I am starting to see Motiv around everywhere. This weekend i felt like i was the only one throwing storm in an entire house. Now dont get me wrong i love storm and my next purchase will be timeless or a Code Red but i just want to get some opinions out there and see if anyone is noticing the same.
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Me personally, I havent been a big fan of most of their recent releases.
Their best releases in my eyes have been the Alpha Crux, Phaze II, Code Red, both Dare Devils, and both No Rules. The lower end has been lacking and for a lot of us the lower end is what we get the most use out of on a weekly basis.
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Me personally, I havent been a big fan of most of their recent releases.
Their best releases in my eyes have been the Alpha Crux, Phaze II, Code Red, both Dare Devils, and both No Rules. The lower end has been lacking and for a lot of us the lower end is what we get the most use out of on a weekly basis.
DD pearl wasn't well received in my area. I love the Code Black. The Rocketship should have got more attention in my opinion. Otherwise, agreed.
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Pro Shop I know in southern California ran a special on the Rocket Ship and sold a lot of them at I think $200 out the door with everything and a cleaner
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All companies ' make great equipment, it's just a matter of matching up to the designs that's being produced at all performance levels (along with surface prep). Me personally, their pieces are too aggressive off the end of the pattern to use on most league nights, therefore I've experienced with different manufactures with pieces that are more smoother on the back ( i.e. Motiv, hammer, radical to name a few).
At the end of the day, all companies will come down to earth, and storm is no exception; their make balls that disappoint just like any other company.
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storms releases lately seem to be strikeouts or home runs.....
very odd if u ask me.
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It's always been that way. For some reason people have selective memory about Storm's duds and seem to focus on other companies' duds.
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Ive been happy with all the stuff in my bag. Especially my code black and Sure Lock. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying I dislike the equipment at all. I would agree that the lower end equipment has been a little lackluster. I'm really hoping my MU Pearl fixes that for me. I am just starting to see a lot more current stuff from other companies. Not that the gear is bad.
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So I know I am in the storm section. Being that i own 6 storm balls. But does anyone feel like storm is starting to losing some ground? More and more I am starting to see Motiv around everywhere. This weekend i felt like i was the only one throwing storm in an entire house. Now dont get me wrong i love storm and my next purchase will be timeless or a Code Red but i just want to get some opinions out there and see if anyone is noticing the same.
Not remarking on the quality or lack of it in Storm's new balls, I think you're just late to the party in noticing the inroads that Motiv and others have made into Storm's portion of the bowling ball pie.
I'd suggest it was noticeable 3- 4 years ago; recently, Motiv's portion of the pie has increased even more.
As for their low end, I think the Tropical Storm, Ride and the 2 new Match series are very good balls, with a a very large range of utility, and that comes from someone who has not been a Storm user for a long time. I used to find their ball far too strong. For the last 2 years, I have been a big user of the Tropical Breeze (now Tropical Storm, same ball) and the Ride.
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Everyone has balls that are flops. Usually when Storm tries something that rolls earlier, it's horrible. La Nina, Trauma Response, Modern Marvel, Optimus Solid, Flash Flood, Double Agent... (you get the idea.)
Their wheelhouse is the skid snap reaction. Problem is, nowadays, that reaction isn't preferred. Who wants a ball that is going to skate forever then go nuts off the spot?
Don't get me wrong, Storm has hit a lot of balls out of the park, but they should "Know thyself".
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Who wants a ball that will skate forever then go nuts off the spot?
98% of people that walk into a pro shop ask for it. They may not know what they're asking for, but they ask for it.
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Who wants a ball that will skate forever then go nuts off the spot?
98% of people that walk into a pro shop ask for it. They may not know what they're asking for, but they ask for it.
Been there on the pro shop side of the counter. Sometimes you have to educate the masses one at a time.
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Who wants a ball that will skate forever then go nuts off the spot?
98% of people that walk into a pro shop ask for it. They may not know what they're asking for, but they ask for it.
BINGO!
Ain't ignorance bliss??
3 strikes in a row, washout, split, washout, 4 in a row, washout, split.
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So I know I am in the storm section. Being that i own 6 storm balls. But does anyone feel like storm is starting to losing some ground? More and more I am starting to see Motiv around everywhere. This weekend i felt like i was the only one throwing storm in an entire house. Now dont get me wrong i love storm and my next purchase will be timeless or a Code Red but i just want to get some opinions out there and see if anyone is noticing the same.
Not remarking on the quality or lack of it in Storm's new balls, I think you're just late to the party in noticing the inroads that Motiv and others have made into Storm's portion of the bowling ball pie.
I'd suggest it was noticeable 3- 4 years ago; recently, Motiv's portion of the pie has increased even more.
As for their low end, I think the Tropical Storm, Ride and the 2 new Match series are very good balls, with a a very large range of utility, and that comes from someone who has not been a Storm user for a long time. I used to find their ball far too strong. For the last 2 years, I have been a big user of the Tropical Breeze (now Tropical Storm, same ball) and the Ride.
Motiv definitely has that fanboy following. Follow the few motiv Facebook pages and see how people are buying every new ball they make. I've seen a few people post their collection of balls and it's literally Motivs current ball chart. To the point some people have the arctic sniper but bought the hyper sniper because it's newer. A lot of those guys are obsessed.
My big problem with Motiv is the midrange price point of their low line balls. There's no reason a tag cannon, which is their longest ball for dry lanes, should cost the same as a hyroad or daredevil. None.
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Willis, not calling you wrong. But compare the price of the Venom series to the IQ Tour line and get back to me ;)
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So I know I am in the storm section. Being that i own 6 storm balls. But does anyone feel like storm is starting to losing some ground? More and more I am starting to see Motiv around everywhere. This weekend i felt like i was the only one throwing storm in an entire house. Now dont get me wrong i love storm and my next purchase will be timeless or a Code Red but i just want to get some opinions out there and see if anyone is noticing the same.
Not remarking on the quality or lack of it in Storm's new balls, I think you're just late to the party in noticing the inroads that Motiv and others have made into Storm's portion of the bowling ball pie.
I'd suggest it was noticeable 3- 4 years ago; recently, Motiv's portion of the pie has increased even more.
As for their low end, I think the Tropical Storm, Ride and the 2 new Match series are very good balls, with a a very large range of utility, and that comes from someone who has not been a Storm user for a long time. I used to find their ball far too strong. For the last 2 years, I have been a big user of the Tropical Breeze (now Tropical Storm, same ball) and the Ride.
Motiv definitely has that fanboy following. Follow the few motiv Facebook pages and see how people are buying every new ball they make. I've seen a few people post their collection of balls and it's literally Motivs current ball chart. To the point some people have the arctic sniper but bought the hyper sniper because it's newer. A lot of those guys are obsessed.
My big problem with Motiv is the midrange price point of their low line balls. There's no reason a tag cannon, which is their longest ball for dry lanes, should cost the same as a hyroad or daredevil. None.
Motiv's "dry" lane balls are the Freestyles and FreeStyle Rush. And you don't know what their expenses look like either, you don't just price a ball the same as everyone else just because everyone else is that price. Price is set based on supply and demand with other variables mixed in
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It's always been that way. For some reason people have selective memory about Storm's duds and seem to focus on other companies' duds.
I have a full list of all the shit they've released and the ratio is not good vs. bad releases.
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Who wants a ball that will skate forever then go nuts off the spot?
98% of people that walk into a pro shop ask for it. They may not know what they're asking for, but they ask for it.
BINGO!
Ain't ignorance bliss??
3 strikes in a row, washout, split, washout, 4 in a row, washout, split.
This thread is about Storm balls. Not Brunswick.
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Lately, I've been leaning more to roto stuff.
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So I know I am in the storm section. Being that i own 6 storm balls. But does anyone feel like storm is starting to losing some ground? More and more I am starting to see Motiv around everywhere. This weekend i felt like i was the only one throwing storm in an entire house. Now dont get me wrong i love storm and my next purchase will be timeless or a Code Red but i just want to get some opinions out there and see if anyone is noticing the same.
Not remarking on the quality or lack of it in Storm's new balls, I think you're just late to the party in noticing the inroads that Motiv and others have made into Storm's portion of the bowling ball pie.
I'd suggest it was noticeable 3- 4 years ago; recently, Motiv's portion of the pie has increased even more.
As for their low end, I think the Tropical Storm, Ride and the 2 new Match series are very good balls, with a a very large range of utility, and that comes from someone who has not been a Storm user for a long time. I used to find their ball far too strong. For the last 2 years, I have been a big user of the Tropical Breeze (now Tropical Storm, same ball) and the Ride.
Motiv definitely has that fanboy following. Follow the few motiv Facebook pages and see how people are buying every new ball they make. I've seen a few people post their collection of balls and it's literally Motivs current ball chart. To the point some people have the arctic sniper but bought the hyper sniper because it's newer. A lot of those guys are obsessed.
My big problem with Motiv is the midrange price point of their low line balls. There's no reason a tag cannon, which is their longest ball for dry lanes, should cost the same as a hyroad or daredevil. None.
Motiv's "dry" lane balls are the Freestyles and FreeStyle Rush. And you don't know what their expenses look like either, you don't just price a ball the same as everyone else just because everyone else is that price. Price is set based on supply and demand with other variables mixed in
I fully understand expense cost but $120 for a tag is insane. And on their ball chart, the tag is listed as light oil and on the high end of the angular spectrum where as the tank is on the smoother. Maybe I'm wrong but I always viewed angular as down lane further and more turn at the end.
Still not a fan of their low end price point. Everything else seems to be equal but for some reason their low end reactive and even spare balls seem to be priced to high for my liking.
If somebody handed me a rush or tag I'd gladly throw it, but I personally would rather look to other brands if I'm looking for a light oil ball
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Willis, not calling you wrong. But compare the price of the Venom series to the IQ Tour line and get back to me ;)
I'm talking lower end. Freestyles and tags. Once you hit midrange it seems to level off. And I'd take an IQ tour solid over any two venoms...
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I am by far not trying to start an argument, just looking for some constructive conversation. That being said I have really enjoyed my storm collection. Being as a newer bowling I bought what i thought was popular and good at the time and all i knew was storm. Do i think the skid flip has hurt me while im learning... absolutely. Am i unhappy i purchased Storm absolutely not. Am I looking to potentially go somewhere else with my next purchase that are so skiddy... Potentially. But not till i give the hyroad a shot.
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I think a lot of Storm's recent releases have been turds. Granted, I'm sure that EACH ball I'll list below has a fan out there, but for the most part I don't see people sticking with these balls or just not throwing them at all.
- Both Fights
- Phaze I
- Match solid
- Timeless
Plus I think the Tropical series could really stand to evolve instead of just changing out the colors every few years.
To their credit, the Snap Lock and Sure Lock look like beasts, the Alpha Crux is very good, and I think the Code Red and new Match Ups will all be very good balls (and significantly better than their predecessors, like the Phaze II over the Phaze I). But for a little while there, they released some real head-scratchers.
All MHO, of course.
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A lot of the duds were them trying to make niche reactions for the guys to throw on tour. Too bad those duds sucked in the hands of pros too on the tough stuff.
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I think a lot of Storm's recent releases have been turds. Granted, I'm sure that EACH ball I'll list below has a fan out there, but for the most part I don't see people sticking with these balls or just not throwing them at all.
- Both Fights
- Phaze I
- Match solid
- Timeless
Plus I think the Tropical series could really stand to evolve instead of just changing out the colors every few years.
To their credit, the Snap Lock and Sure Lock look like beasts, the Alpha Crux is very good, and I think the Code Red and new Match Ups will all be very good balls (and significantly better than their predecessors, like the Phaze II over the Phaze I). But for a little while there, they released some real head-scratchers.
All MHO, of course.
Forgot the crux and crux pearl not being very well liked or big sellers...
The rocket line kinda flopped too....yet they were not terrible balls....just we'rent that good.
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So I know I am in the storm section. Being that i own 6 storm balls. But does anyone feel like storm is starting to losing some ground? More and more I am starting to see Motiv around everywhere. This weekend i felt like i was the only one throwing storm in an entire house. Now dont get me wrong i love storm and my next purchase will be timeless or a Code Red but i just want to get some opinions out there and see if anyone is noticing the same.
Not remarking on the quality or lack of it in Storm's new balls, I think you're just late to the party in noticing the inroads that Motiv and others have made into Storm's portion of the bowling ball pie.
I'd suggest it was noticeable 3- 4 years ago; recently, Motiv's portion of the pie has increased even more.
As for their low end, I think the Tropical Storm, Ride and the 2 new Match series are very good balls, with a a very large range of utility, and that comes from someone who has not been a Storm user for a long time. I used to find their ball far too strong. For the last 2 years, I have been a big user of the Tropical Breeze (now Tropical Storm, same ball) and the Ride.
Motiv definitely has that fanboy following. Follow the few motiv Facebook pages and see how people are buying every new ball they make. I've seen a few people post their collection of balls and it's literally Motivs current ball chart. To the point some people have the arctic sniper but bought the hyper sniper because it's newer. A lot of those guys are obsessed.
My big problem with Motiv is the midrange price point of their low line balls. There's no reason a tag cannon, which is their longest ball for dry lanes, should cost the same as a hyroad or daredevil. None.
Motiv's "dry" lane balls are the Freestyles and FreeStyle Rush. And you don't know what their expenses look like either, you don't just price a ball the same as everyone else just because everyone else is that price. Price is set based on supply and demand with other variables mixed in
I fully understand expense cost but $120 for a tag is insane. And on their ball chart, the tag is listed as light oil and on the high end of the angular spectrum where as the tank is on the smoother. Maybe I'm wrong but I always viewed angular as down lane further and more turn at the end.
Still not a fan of their low end price point. Everything else seems to be equal but for some reason their low end reactive and even spare balls seem to be priced to high for my liking.
If somebody handed me a rush or tag I'd gladly throw it, but I personally would rather look to other brands if I'm looking for a light oil ball
You can't relate price point to hook potential. It doesn't cost any less for Motiv's fancy graphics on a low hooking ball than it does on a big hooking ball.
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No company will hit a home run with every release. Typically they are trying to have a versatile lineup that would include some for heavy oil, medium oil, and light oil conditions.
Somehow when Joe Bowler insists on buying the wrong ball for his particular situation it's the manufacturers fault... And some balls just happen to be more condition-specific.
No, Storm isn't losing their touch at all. In fact, several companies are putting out very good equipment. ( I hesitated to reply here, due to my position, but hopefully this comment is viewed as fair and unbiased.) Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming...
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No company will hit a home run with every release. Typically they are trying to have a versatile lineup that would include some for heavy oil, medium oil, and light oil conditions.
Somehow when Joe Bowler insists on buying the wrong ball for his particular situation it's the manufacturers fault... And some balls just happen to be more condition-specific.
No, Storm isn't losing their touch at all. In fact, several companies are putting out very good equipment. ( I hesitated to reply here, due to my position, but hopefully this comment is viewed as fair and unbiased.) Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming...
I agree with Lane. The Crossroad is one of my favorite balls that I've ever thrown, but recently most of the other companies have been more impressive to me than Storm/Roto
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The Timeless is much maligned here. FYI, a lady bowler (really good) shot 797 with a 14 lb. Timeless at our Sweepers in the Reno Bowling Stadium. So, maybe you should try owning and throwing one to see for yourself.
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I will tell you what. As a long time 900 Global fan, I've really fallen in love with Motivs release schedule. I love me a full bag of stuff, but while everyone is complaining about how low end stuff hooks too much, you look at a Freestyle and say it's over priced. It fits a need. If you look at the line, I can cherry pick 7 balls and have tournament conditions and league covered.
I used to love the moderate motion I could get out of San Antonio, but once it started getting more ... Stormy, I had to pick and choose my covers.
I know no company is perfect, but at least Motiv gives each release their own moment in the spotlight.
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I will tell you what. As a long time 900 Global fan, I've really fallen in love with Motivs release schedule. I love me a full bag of stuff, but while everyone is complaining about how low end stuff hooks too much, you look at a Freestyle and say it's over priced. It fits a need. If you look at the line, I can cherry pick 7 balls and have tournament conditions and league covered.
I used to love the moderate motion I could get out of San Antonio, but once it started getting more ... Stormy, I had to pick and choose my covers.
I know no company is perfect, but at least Motiv gives each release their own moment in the spotlight.
Agreed
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I don't think the Match Solid is a dud, just not a typical Storm ball and it is lower end.
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This new match up solid reminds me of the jolt solid. Can't wait to drill it for the house shot next season as a ball up from the hectic.
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I did. Not a fan LOL. The market is tough because like has been said, people think they want things they don't want or should want, or they don't know how to explain it. Tons of people say they want a lot of hook when they mean they want backend, which are two different things.
Storm's problem right now is overhyping stuff that ends up sucking, so you get all this attention and then the ball just isn't good. The Phaze and Timeless come to mind. Now I liked both of my Phazes that I had, and few people know about the 2nd batches and on that were really extremely epic, but the first batch Phaze wasn't what most people want in a ball. Timeless is a super niche ball, but then you have truly great releases like the Rocket Ship and Torrent that don't get any attention at all. Does anyone even know the Torrent exists? And seriously, Hyroad? Hyroad Pearl? Marvel Pearl? The Codes? These are monster releases that other companies have tried to copy for years and yet the Hyroad is still the GOAT ;D ;D ;D
I think Storm does release too many balls. People will buy them all and they wouldn't release so many if it wasn't good for business, but it's too hard to keep up. I like Roto's schedule better.
Roto stays outside the box constantly and puts out really solid stuff every time, but they're not Storm. Storm either makes really safe stuff or tries to get too far outside the box, and it's a mixed bag. They both discontinued truly great light oil balls in the Ride and Hectic, but they have to play that production game, if it's not getting numbers, they aren't going to offer it because the plants run full tilt constantly trying to keep up with the popular stuff, small batches can't be a thing. And who is really making a great TRUE light oil or dry lane ball right now? Nobody is because they're catch 22s. Making a good light oil ball is the hardest thing on the market to do, the balance is so touchy, and then they usually don't end up selling that well.
I think the companies need to ditch the "innovation" angle, because there's only so many things you can do with the physics. There's stuff they know that works, and there's stuff that doesn't. Keep refreshing the selection, there IS a lot of variation you can still have, and again, it's supposed to be fun. People rarely NEED new bowling balls, they're just fun to drill, so why does everything have to be "new and better?" I think Storm is just trying too hard right now, need to go back to the well. Just do what works. I don't like everything that comes out, but I'm still perfectly happy where I'm at, I'll be with them as long as they'll have me.
The Timeless is much maligned here. FYI, a lady bowler (really good) shot 797 with a 14 lb. Timeless at our Sweepers in the Reno Bowling Stadium. So, maybe you should try owning and throwing one to see for yourself.
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Its crazy for me, but I disagree too lol. Find me a company thats had success comparable to the Hyroad and IQ Solid the last 5 years lol, I'll wait. I will also throw in for a while Storms upper end line sucked, but the Lock imo was the best release in that tier since the VG.
The Phaze was mentioned and is a prime example of where I think their problems lie, proper marketing. The Phaze for me is a really good ball provided I use it on the proper conditions. I had to tinker with the surface, but once I got it right for me theres probably not a better ball in my bag for med to med light conditions. Folks imo are too quick to give up on stuff. It always comes down to skipping the hype and going with rgs and diffs that fit your game.
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The Torrent is the classic definition of sleeper ball. Just has a moderate motion, can be used on mediums, and seems very predictable. So that ball will be discontinued soon. Who wants predictable when you can have skid snap??
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I really don't think most people even know it exists. It came out with the Timeless and got zero attention, and here it ends up being this legitimate super blue collar ball that just works on everything it seems like, and yeah, probably will be discontinued before long. Would be a travesty though. I think it does what the IQ Tour does but better.
The Torrent is the classic definition of sleeper ball. Just has a moderate motion, can be used on mediums, and seems very predictable. So that ball will be discontinued soon. Who wants predictable when you can have skid snap??
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I really don't think most people even know it exists. It came out with the Timeless and got zero attention, and here it ends up being this legitimate super blue collar ball that just works on everything it seems like, and yeah, probably will be discontinued before long. Would be a travesty though. I think it does what the IQ Tour does but better.
Ding, ding, ding!!! We have a winner....
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Its crazy for me, but I disagree too lol. Find me a company thats had success comparable to the Hyroad and IQ Solid the last 5 years lol, I'll wait. I will also throw in for a while Storms upper end line sucked, but the Lock imo was the best release in that tier since the VG.
The Phaze was mentioned and is a prime example of where I think their problems lie, proper marketing. The Phaze for me is a really good ball provided I use it on the proper conditions. I had to tinker with the surface, but once I got it right for me theres probably not a better ball in my bag for med to med light conditions. Folks imo are too quick to give up on stuff. It always comes down to skipping the hype and going with rgs and diffs that fit your game.
I second your entire post. For me also. The Lock is special.
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ok, Ill stick my nose in. I think with the IQ Tour/Hyroad and the lead that Storm/Roto has, they've decided to experiment and create niche reactions to try and corner different portions of the market that aren't even being attempted.
Example, they are releasing, I believe, the first ever Asym Urethane. Most balls that are duds have been well marketed so the sales are there to support even though the ball doesn't roll particularly well. And for every dud, they come back with a better version of said ball. They came out with the Phaze and then they release the Phaze 2 with a much better response off the friction and better motion off the friction. They release the Daredevil which for me only good playing up the lane in the oil and burned in the friction then release the Trick which is a much better motion and more forgiving.
Other companies are just catching up with better midrange and lower end stuff. I don't think storm is necessarily losing their touch. That being said all I really like to throw are Hyroads Matches and IQ Tours lol so take my opinion with a grain of salt. Ill throw any company but no one has come out with motions like those IMO except Brunswick now with the Magnitude .035. They needed that IQ Tour like ball in the line up plus a strong Symmetrical to bridge the gap from all the Asyms to the lower and mid syms.
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Assym urethane?? Seismic Desperado!!
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Assym urethane?? Seismic Desperado!!
what?...... lol jk I said I believe. my ball knowledge is vast but not definite
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Where ya been righty???
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Where ya been right???
Been engulfed in life, working the shop not bowling as much but trying get more and more back into bowling myself. Plus sometimes ya get bored LOL.
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I hear ya, life will do that to us all; Hope you can find the time to get back at it, and back on here with your informative knowledge on these topics as well..
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I threw the Torrent at a demo days and I absolutely loved it. Like a ton. For some reason when I go to purchase a ball I tend to buy other things (ie; Sure Lock and Match Up Pearl). Now I've got about a full bag I'm looking to add the last piece. I really havent decided if its going to be the Hyroad or the Torrent.
I know that at the time Timeless way over shadowed the torrent and it ultimately suffered which I feel like it felt better in my hands. Maybe I should just keep an eye on what DOESNT get hyped by Storm and find the better releases?
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Assym urethane?? Seismic Desperado!!
There ya go, toying with my affections again!! Not funny, dude. :(
I love that ball as much as my Blue/Green Centaur, if that is at all possible, and couldn't find one for love or money in 14 lbs. that I use now. I still have my 15 lb. original.
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Where ya been right???
Been engulfed in life, working the shop not bowling as much but trying get more and more back into bowling myself. Plus sometimes ya get bored LOL.
Hello yourself, guy. Glad to see a lefty, hanging with the hoy poloy, like a regular so and so.
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Assym urethane?? Seismic Desperado!!
There ya go, toying with my affections again!! Not funny, dude. :(
I love that ball as much as my Blue/Green Centaur, if that is at all possible, and couldn't find one for love or money in 14 lbs. that I use now. I still have my 15 lb. original.
Listen, I didn't even mean to hit a nerve on this one!
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Assym urethane?? Seismic Desperado!!
There ya go, toying with my affections again!! Not funny, dude. :(
I love that ball as much as my Blue/Green Centaur, if that is at all possible, and couldn't find one for love or money in 14 lbs. that I use now. I still have my 15 lb. original.
Listen, I didn't even mean to hit a nerve on this one!
No offense taken.
If anything, this is the core Jesper needs.
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Assym urethane?? Seismic Desperado!!
There ya go, toying with my affections again!! Not funny, dude. :(
I love that ball as much as my Blue/Green Centaur, if that is at all possible, and couldn't find one for love or money in 14 lbs. that I use now. I still have my 15 lb. original.
Listen, I didn't even mean to hit a nerve on this one!
No offense taken.
If anything, this is the core Jesper needs.
Needs? To do what, put Messengers through the sidewalls??? Doesn't the guy have enough hitting power as is?
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Assym urethane?? Seismic Desperado!!
Weren't the Brunswick Phantoms the first urethane assyms?
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Assym urethane?? Seismic Desperado!!
Weren't the Brunswick Phantoms the first urethane assyms?
boom
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No, pretty sure that would go to Star Trak Force 10, the original Track before they got renamed.
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Assym urethane?? Seismic Desperado!!
There ya go, toying with my affections again!! Not funny, dude. :(
I love that ball as much as my Blue/Green Centaur, if that is at all possible, and couldn't find one for love or money in 14 lbs. that I use now. I still have my 15 lb. original.
Listen, I didn't even mean to hit a nerve on this one!
No offense taken.
If anything, this is the core Jesper needs.
Needs? To do what, put Messengers through the sidewalls??? Doesn't the guy have enough hitting power as is?
True. Maybe we should handicap him and force him to bowl with one hand. :)
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Wasn't the JPF Black Axe Urethane an assym ball?
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JPF AXE was the best urethane ball I ever had.Didn't know it was asym.I would give my left testicle for a nib.
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As a Hammer Head, my first ball that was not Hammer was the Timeless. After some tweaking with surface, I love the Timeless. I then purchased the IQ tour solid which I love also. It is toooooo many dam balls coming out, that they bringing back old releases. I am a new bowler and I do not want a ball that was out years ago, that the prices has been jacked up. Hell at least change the dam name. Just my $0.02.
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Ya shouldn't worry too much about old releases coming out. The cores are not the same as the old ones. Ball companies are just reusing the current cores with new old names. It's the hype of an old name to get you to BUY a new ball.
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seeing teasers that Storm has a high performance ball rental program coming soon
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Don't forget to purchase the Rejuvinator warranty to remove the quart of oil still in the used ball. Gotta have it nice and 60% fresh. Don't forget to spray the potpourri for the new ball smell. Try Island Fresh. Pineapple, mango with a hint of papaya
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> see the same HP4 balls over and over
True of almost all the ball makers but that Hot Cell urethane coming is definitely not your typical HP4 but then again shouldn't even be in that line. Haven't tried any of Storm's urethanes. In fact haven't bought a Storm ball since that POS Storm Shift lemon I got years ago but if I did again would probably pick up a Hy-Road instead of one of the Pitches. The 900 cover on my Lane #1 ball isn't bad but haven't tried any of theirs (Honey Badger looks nice). Have to agree though Motiv has some pretty killer beautiful balls. Almost got a Primal Rage instead of the Scandal Pearl but if had to do over again well would probably get a Maverick but that is neither here nor there.
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I feel that ALL companies have good and bad balls. Keep in mind that the ball's layout must be correct. The ball is being used on the condition that it was meant for. I used Track back when they were made in San Antonio. After the buy out by EBI, I did try a few Columbia and the new Track. I eventually decided to use ROTO GRIP, and have been satisfied since 2010. We all feel comfortable using what seems to match up with your style. Roto fits that for me.
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The reused stuff is the best.
Keep the cells coming....core rolls way better than the no rules...
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The reused stuff is the best.
Keep the cells coming....core rolls way better than the no rules...
I wish they'd give us some of the international stuff Roto has released like the Alliance series (asymm core w/ higher rg and medium diff in 14 & 15lbs). The World Cell looked amazing when Marc threw it
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The reused stuff is the best.
Keep the cells coming....core rolls way better than the no rules...
I wish they'd give us some of the international stuff Roto has released like the Alliance series (asymm core w/ higher rg and medium diff in 14 & 15lbs). The World Cell looked amazing when Marc threw it
World cell did look good.
That alliance core (shape) was very similar to the epic line BEFORE the cell. I assume since the cell they really haven't been able to stay away. Struggles when doing something different...
Theory line wasn't well received u til the 3rd release
Sinister line didn't sell well
No rules is the first thing to sell since the cell....
Maybe it changes things for roto.
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I really don't think most people even know it exists. It came out with the Timeless and got zero attention, and here it ends up being this legitimate super blue collar ball that just works on everything it seems like, and yeah, probably will be discontinued before long. Would be a travesty though. I think it does what the IQ Tour does but better.
The Torrent is the classic definition of sleeper ball. Just has a moderate motion, can be used on mediums, and seems very predictable. So that ball will be discontinued soon. Who wants predictable when you can have skid snap??
I agree with Luke about the Torrent 200%! Thanks Luke for the good deal. I bought a Code black same time as the Torrent. So far i've used the Torrent over 50 games in 2 months while the Code black has about 10-15 games on it. Very underated and most overlooked ball this year.
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I really don't think most people even know it exists. It came out with the Timeless and got zero attention, and here it ends up being this legitimate super blue collar ball that just works on everything it seems like, and yeah, probably will be discontinued before long. Would be a travesty though. I think it does what the IQ Tour does but better.
The Torrent is the classic definition of sleeper ball. Just has a moderate motion, can be used on mediums, and seems very predictable. So that ball will be discontinued soon. Who wants predictable when you can have skid snap??
I agree with Luke about the Torrent 200%! Thanks Luke for the good deal. I bought a Code black same time as the Torrent. So far i've used the Torrent over 50 games in 2 months while the Code black has about 10-15 games on it. Very underated and most overlooked ball this year.
Maybe it's just me, but I think the Torrent is the best of the smoother Storm pieces. Really feels like a Hy-Road that I can throw on the fresh.
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There's a Torrent Rush on the approved list now. If it's a US release with R2S hybrid i think I'll be all over that
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I wish I had room in my arsenal for one, unfortunately I'm loaded with benchmarks to add one, it would fit perfectly.
May have ti take the plunge and get one anyway.
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Most likely overseas. If it sounds too good to be true and something you'd really be interested in, it's overseas.
There's a Torrent Rush on the approved list now. If it's a US release with R2S hybrid i think I'll be all over that
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Most likely overseas. If it sounds too good to be true and something you'd really be interested in, it's overseas.
There's a Torrent Rush on the approved list now. If it's a US release with R2S hybrid i think I'll be all over that
#truth
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Most likely overseas. If it sounds too good to be true and something you'd really be interested in, it's overseas.
There's a Torrent Rush on the approved list now. If it's a US release with R2S hybrid i think I'll be all over that
I know it's too good to be true. I've missed R2S hybrid in my bag since the Crossroad.
I had a HyRoad Pearl and it loped too much for me. I've thrown my buddies HyRoad that has a similar span and it also lopes too much for me. Both have/had layouts that i use on almost everything. Timeless has never impressed me, but the Booster core has looked good in my eyes. I know a lot of people that love the Rocket Ship
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I REALLY miss the Rocket, the whole series really, so a polished hybrid Torrent makes me really excited. Timeless suffers from the combination high RG and high diff. It never really revs and jerks off friction. Hyroad is starting to show its age a bit. Rocket was good, hybrid Torrent sounds better. Rocket had a different shape than the Hyroad, more that clean through the fronts and hook/set than a hard arc. I'd imagine an R2S hybrid Torrent to be more the shape of the Hyroad but earlier and smoother.
Most likely overseas. If it sounds too good to be true and something you'd really be interested in, it's overseas.
There's a Torrent Rush on the approved list now. If it's a US release with R2S hybrid i think I'll be all over that
I know it's too good to be true. I've missed R2S hybrid in my bag since the Crossroad.
I had a HyRoad Pearl and it loped too much for me. I've thrown my buddies HyRoad that has a similar span and it also lopes too much for me. Both have/had layouts that i use on almost everything. Timeless has never impressed me, but the Booster core has looked good in my eyes. I know a lot of people that love the Rocket Ship
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That's exactly what i think about it as well Luke. For me that'd be a big plus
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It seems like some tmof the best benchmarks that come uo, I'm fortunate to still have around. Luckily I have come to the conclusion of keeping my older pieces for rainy days that can't be replaced by these 'new guns'.
The Rocket is still going strong for me.
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A Phaze with R2S Hybrid. That would be interesting.
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Perhaps I'm the only one that feels this way, but I feel like the CrossRoad was a little ahead of its time. The Hy-Road wasn't quite for Medium-Heavy anymore by the time this ball came out, but it was still very versatile and read rather well on anything medium. For me at this point, the Hy-Road is money on medium-medium light (tslking about mostly higher surfaces). Storm has used stronger cores on weaker covers in the Code series and some find that to be enough for them. I feel like the stronger cores allow the ball to read better to be thrown at higher surfaces for the clean hard arc we have become accustomed to. I didn't have the opportunity to see the Rockets used much (except the Rocketship) so I can't really provide much there.