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Equipment Boards => Storm => Topic started by: Luke Rosdahl on June 26, 2017, 02:08:53 PM
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Does anyone want to see a new MP video? I ordered two, not entirely sure I want to drill one, almost want to just stash them both. With it not being that old, there are still good videos on youtube of it, and since it was a limited run, if you didn't preorder one, they're likely going to be hard to get ahold of, so I wasn't sure if a new video was even necessary. I've already got two tournament bags full of stuff that I want to throw all at the same time and can't, really don't need that decision made harder. I know, cry me a river right? At the same time, I've never thrown one, kinda want to see what all the fuss is about . .
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I also ordered 2. I missed the first boat because it came out right before I ended my 9 year break from bowling. I'm personally drilling one to see if the hype was real or atleast applies to my game.
In your situation, I would say if you drill one and you're bored, throw a video up. You make great points though, it's not that old and it's limited run. To cut down on production time & costs essentially, you could make it a bonus in conjunction with another ball review.
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First reply and I'm somewhat already off topic, but:
I'm actually more interested in your tournament arsenal. More information and/or video on your 6 ball set-up, the reaction shapes you were going for, and where you intend to use each ball?
My arsenal is gravitating more and more Storm-only, so I'm more interested in how everything pieces together than I am about one ball in particular.
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First reply and I'm somewhat already off topic, but:
I'm actually more interested in your tournament arsenal. More information and/or video on your 6 ball set-up, the reaction shapes you were going for, and where you intend to use each ball?
My arsenal is gravitating more and more Storm-only, so I'm more interested in how everything pieces together than I am about one ball in particular.
I second this thread hijack lol. Lets dive into your tournament bag.
I will say, I would be curious for a comparison between a Hy-Road, Code Red, and a Marvel Pearl.
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Haha ok . . I'm going to do a tournament essentials mini series like I did with my essentials collection, but I don't think there are really any secrets as far as my tournament essentials go. I'll still make the videos, but here's what I carry around:
No Rules Pearl: 70 x 4.5 x 35 - Box Surface Asym
Dare Devil Trick: 70 x 4 x 35 - Box Surface Sym
Code Red: 65 x 5.25 x 40 - Box Surface Asym
Code Black: 65 x 4 x 40 - Box Surface Asym
IQ Tour Solid: 65 x 5.25 x 40 - 1000 polish Sym
Hyroad: 65 x 5.25 x 40 - Box Surface Sym
Depending on what I'm bowling on, I may sub in the Hyroad Pearl and MAYBE the Hectic, but I don't really like taking any of these 6 out, however I really don't like carrying around more than 6 to ANYTHING. Too many options cause more problems than they fix, and nobody is ever 100% confident when they say, "The ball I really need is at home," that means that everything else you brought didn't work and it's just wishful thinking.
I carry a full set of abralon pads around, but I'm just a box surface kinda guy for the most part aside from the IQ Solid. It goes too long, so 1000 polish is actually a stronger surface than the 4k that it comes at. Occasionally I'll drop the Trick to 1000 if I'm trying to blow a hole in something, but most of the time it fits just fine as a game 1 and 2 ball at 2000. Not big on changing angles much, and my drill angle will never be smaller than my val angle anyway, pin to pap differences I feel produce bigger changes in reaction, and keeping the angles in this range here leave me with a lot of post drilling x-hole options to fine tune. If I go 35 x 5 x 70 and don't like it, I don't have a whole lot of x-hole options without drilling the thumb to china, and besides, I also like building some pop into the layout with the angles because I can smooth reaction out if I need to, but I have a hard time getting stuff to jump if the backends are soft.
Until I got the Code Red, the Hyroad Pearl was in the bag, I just didn't use it much. I think there are better balls than the IQ out there, and you don't REALLY need a Hyroad and Code Red together, there's also a tad bit of overlap with the NRP and Code Black, so the Exist and Show Off will most likely bump a couple out. I'll likely remove the Code Red, Code Black, and IQ in favor of the Exist, Show Off, and Marvel Pearl. Exist will get my NRP layout, Show Off will most likely get my Hyroad layout, and Marvel Pearl will probably get Code Black Layout. I think those changes will balance things out better because if I need HOOK or a solid cover, really don't have it right now.
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Awesome response Luke! I look forward to the videos as well.
I think I'm starting to favor the longer pins 4.5-5 myself. Which of those layouts would you consider your most energy retaining layout to ensure the ball still has enough to corner?
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My "go to" layout of 65 x 5.25 x 40. Bowling balls are really a lot stronger than people think they are. Much past 5.5 inches the reaction can get wonky or more niche, and those angles give me the shape I want without being too extreme as well. On the layouts with the stronger pins, the angles still give me some shape while the stronger pin gives me more traction. I'd argue that shape is more important than hook, all I'm really doing with the layouts and ball choices is creating different shapes. If hook was the most important thing, urethane wouldn't be making a comeback . .
Awesome response Luke! I look forward to the videos as well.
I think I'm starting to favor the longer pins 4.5-5 myself. Which of those layouts would you consider your most energy retaining layout to ensure the ball still has enough to corner?
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My "go to" layout of 65 x 5.25 x 40. Bowling balls are really a lot stronger than people think they are. Much past 5.5 inches the reaction can get wonky or more niche, and those angles give me the shape I want without being too extreme as well. On the layouts with the stronger pins, the angles still give me some shape while the stronger pin gives me more traction. I'd argue that shape is more important than hook, all I'm really doing with the layouts and ball choices is creating different shapes. If hook was the most important thing, urethane wouldn't be making a comeback . .
Awesome response Luke! I look forward to the videos as well.
I think I'm starting to favor the longer pins 4.5-5 myself. Which of those layouts would you consider your most energy retaining layout to ensure the ball still has enough to corner?
Good point!
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I personally, would love to see a video on the marvel pearl (again). I'm torn on purchasing another one. :-\
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I would like to see another, but I understand if you don't. I had 3 so I know what I want out of it. I'd watch it for fun!
Also, a bit of a hijack question. Why don't you use higher VAL angle layouts? Do stronger pins slow down enough for you to not use such layouts?
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Yes. I need the punch of the shorter val angles to get the ball to finish. I have no problem getting something to be smooth, getting stuff to finish is usually my issue.
I use small val angles because I need stuff to be bouncy on the backend, but yes, this stuff all works fine at tournaments too because the pin strength will smooth out the reaction just fine.
I would like to see another, but I understand if you don't. I had 3 so I know what I want out of it. I'd watch it for fun!
Also, a bit of a hijack question. Why don't you use higher VAL angle layouts? Do stronger pins slow down enough for you to not use such layouts?
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I think I'm going to do it, I've never owned one so ordering two just to let them sit in the basement when I've never thrown one before doesn't make a lot of sense, so I want to at least see what all the fuss is about. If I'm gonna drill it, might as well make a video. They're arriving tomorrow, so I'll likely have a video up Friday.
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I think I'm going to do it, I've never owned one so ordering two just to let them sit in the basement when I've never thrown one before doesn't make a lot of sense, so I want to at least see what all the fuss is about. If I'm gonna drill it, might as well make a video. They're arriving tomorrow, so I'll likely have a video up Friday.
This was my same thought process with my order of 2 minus the video part as I don't do that. I gotta see what's up with it.
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Look forward to it.
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The Marvel Pearl and the Code Black with the same layout will be completely different reactions. The MP will bel a lot earlier and stronger in the mid lane. Not sure it will be a good replacement IMO.
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Nah, they're actually really similar lol. Don't forget the CB has a monster core in it, and R2X Pearl isn't a ton stronger than R2S Pearl, same base formula, just an additive adjustment. Rad4 core at .058 diff and .020 MB is gonna be early and strong no matter what cover you put on it. Code Black is actually what I'm going to compare it to in the video because of how similar they act . .
The Marvel Pearl and the Code Black with the same layout will be completely different reactions. The MP will bel a lot earlier and stronger in the mid lane. Not sure it will be a good replacement IMO.
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Just make the video already like, lol the anticipation is very high to look forward to. 8)
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Luke - what difference do you note when you go with the 70x4 or 4.5x35 instead of your usual 65x5.25.40?
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Earlier and smoother. Stronger pin makes the ball flare more which increases traction early, and that strong of a pin puts the core in a very smooth position at the breakpoint. I do that for heavy volumes up front and/or snappy backends or when I want to tame a reaction down. If you watch my Code Black video, by the time the ball hits friction, it's virtually pin axis, which makes it get to the spot and then kind of sit there. Just trying to manipulate shape really. My usual layout produces flare lines that are pretty close to each other most of the way down the lane, so by the time the ball gets to the backend, the core is in a stronger higher flaring position, which produces a more pronounced move on the backend.
Luke - what difference do you note when you go with the 70x4 or 4.5x35 instead of your usual 65x5.25.40?
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Earlier and smoother. Stronger pin makes the ball flare more which increases traction early, and that strong of a pin puts the core in a very smooth position at the breakpoint. I do that for heavy volumes up front and/or snappy backends or when I want to tame a reaction down. If you watch my Code Black video, by the time the ball hits friction, it's virtually pin axis, which makes it get to the spot and then kind of sit there. Just trying to manipulate shape really. My usual layout produces flare lines that are pretty close to each other most of the way down the lane, so by the time the ball gets to the backend, the core is in a stronger higher flaring position, which produces a more pronounced move on the backend.
Luke - what difference do you note when you go with the 70x4 or 4.5x35 instead of your usual 65x5.25.40?
Gotcha, thanks!
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Got mine today. Went 65x5"x40 and damn that b*tch is strong. It can definitely shape up quick and hard on the backend. I've typically gone with a 4-4.5" pin and a high drill angle like 80-85 but you inspired me to try what I went with and I like it haha.
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Did you leave it oob, or change the surface?
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Did you leave it oob, or change the surface?
oob
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Good choice.