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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: spencerwatts on July 11, 2017, 12:53:47 PM
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It appears this year's Proprietor's Cup was a success, and it may have cemented a growing tradition for scratch competitive bowling. (I've yet to bowl in it but this year an arthritic hip has severely limited what I can do until an early fall operation.)
Here's why I'm posting.
This year's Proprietor's Cup prize fund was over $150k, paying $27,500 to the winner. There were about 250 entries. There's few PBA tournaments that can rival it outside of majors like the Masters, U.S. Open, and the Tournament of Champions. (I was apprised elsewhere the Oklahoma Open had a similar prize fund of $150k).
The Proprietor's Cup had me thinking back to nearly 30 years ago when a $150k prize fund was almost the norm for a PBA national tour event. At least for me it really spoke of the state of bowling in 2017.
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Amazing turn out. Maybe having more tournaments on juiced up house patterns is the way to improve attendance
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You're odds are better beating those guys when they are hard. Didn't Simonsen legit miss 4 times over a 4 game period? 279, 279, 300, 299. Check that, he missed 3 times in 4 games.
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From what i understand, the shot was a modified house shot so scores should have been thru the roof and if Simonsen did bowl that, that proves it. And AJ Rice 289 in championship game was impressive. But those guys are used to the tough grind it out shots and if you put out a "modified" house shot, you better have your striking shoes on otherwise you'll be left in the dust against these guys.
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Good location, quick format over a weekend and a good payout. But it won't last. Lefties have won 5/6 events. No quicker way to kill an otherwise good tournament.
And before all you lefty lovers get on your soap box, save it, I've already heard it all.
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You mean to say that the shot was equally applied across the lanes. With no re oiling of the lanes after "A" block or "B" block bowled accept for the semi's and finals. You left out the bowler was two handed and a repeat winner.
Oh my!!!
Whaaaaaaaa......
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You mean to say that the shot was equally applied across the lanes. With no re oiling of the lanes after "A" block or "B" block bowled accept for the semi's and finals. You left out the bowler was two handed and a repeat winner.
Oh my!!!
Whaaaaaaaa......
well, when you have 3 and 4:1 rights to lefts, shots need to be changed to compensate. That is my personal belief. If you have 8 games of qualifying with say 6 on a pair. By the end of the squad, there will be 32-40 games on the right side compared to 8-16 on the left. Seem fair? Sure doesn't to me. So righties are playing 6th arrow and catching nose bleeds while lefties are hitting 3rd arrow and complaining about the righties burning their heads....
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the ones complaining, did any of ya'll bowl the event?
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the ones complaining, did any of ya'll bowl the event?
not sure who your comment is directed at, but my statement is more of a general to all patterns. Not the one in question for this event.
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The lefty who finished second wouldn't have been playing 3rd arrow until switching to urethane. Even then he was likely deeper inside. Maybe preserving the shot was a factor.
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the one who finished 2nd is one of the best amateur bowlers in the country.
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You're odds are better beating those guys when they are hard. Didn't Simonsen legit miss 4 times over a 4 game period? 279, 279, 300, 299. Check that, he missed 3 times in 4 games.
"Missed" lol
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The only person that remembers who finishes second is the person that finishes second.
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Or anyone seeing the pics of 2nd place holding $15k
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You're odds are better beating those guys when they are hard. Didn't Simonsen legit miss 4 times over a 4 game period? 279, 279, 300, 299. Check that, he missed 3 times in 4 games.
"Missed" lol
I mean seriously some people on this site don't strike that much in a month of league.
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You're odds are better beating those guys when they are hard. Didn't Simonsen legit miss 4 times over a 4 game period? 279, 279, 300, 299. Check that, he missed 3 times in 4 games.
"Missed" lol
I mean seriously some people on this site don't strike that much in a month of league.
I haven't struck that much in 2017 period. Simonsen is such an anomaly. That dude can flat out bowl.
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You're odds are better beating those guys when they are hard. Didn't Simonsen legit miss 4 times over a 4 game period? 279, 279, 300, 299. Check that, he missed 3 times in 4 games.
I disagree. Simonsen's big set was an outlier for the event and higher scoring patterns remove much of the advantage that pros hold over the better amateurs (accuracy, shot making, the ability to quickly make see + significant moves, speed changes, hand position changes).
The results prove it too - there were pros that missed the cut at the Proprietors Cup, while there were names in the top 10 with whom I am not familiar. Its not often that we see amateurs or lesser known names even make match play at the Masters or US Open
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You're odds are better beating those guys when they are hard. Didn't Simonsen legit miss 4 times over a 4 game period? 279, 279, 300, 299. Check that, he missed 3 times in 4 games.
I disagree. Simonsen's big set was an outlier for the event and higher scoring patterns remove much of the advantage that pros hold over the better amateurs (accuracy, shot making, the ability to quickly make see + significant moves, speed changes, hand position changes).
The results prove it too - there were pros that missed the cut at the Proprietors Cup, while there were names in the top 10 with whom I am not familiar. Its not often that we see amateurs or lesser known names even make match play at the Masters or US Open
Ain't that the truth.....
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High scoring patterns favor lefties, flatter longer patterns favor righties. Just the way it is.
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You're odds are better beating those guys when they are hard. Didn't Simonsen legit miss 4 times over a 4 game period? 279, 279, 300, 299. Check that, he missed 3 times in 4 games.
I disagree. Simonsen's big set was an outlier for the event and higher scoring patterns remove much of the advantage that pros hold over the better amateurs (accuracy, shot making, the ability to quickly make see + significant moves, speed changes, hand position changes).
The results prove it too - there were pros that missed the cut at the Proprietors Cup, while there were names in the top 10 with whom I am not familiar. Its not often that we see amateurs or lesser known names even make match play at the Masters or US Open
Ain't that the truth.....
Actually it's not. And the fact that this guy has no idea of any of the names in the top 10 of the PC shows how disconnected he is.
What? It happens. Brett WolfeYou're odds are better beating those guys when they are hard. Didn't Simonsen legit miss 4 times over a 4 game period? 279, 279, 300, 299. Check that, he missed 3 times in 4 games.
I disagree. Simonsen's big set was an outlier for the event and higher scoring patterns remove much of the advantage that pros hold over the better amateurs (accuracy, shot making, the ability to quickly make see + significant moves, speed changes, hand position changes).
The results prove it too - there were pros that missed the cut at the Proprietors Cup, while there were names in the top 10 with whom I am not familiar. Its not often that we see amateurs or lesser known names even make match play at the Masters or US Open
Ain't that the truth.....
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I've bowled the Senior US Open and the Senior Masters in Vegas the last few years. Of the 40 guys who move onto match play, you can almost mail in 30 of the names ahead of time.
I haven't followed the regular division of these tournaments that closely, but I'd be surprised if you don't see the usual suspects take the majority of match play slots.
Of course some lesser known players also make the cut. It's that dream that keeps scrubs like myself trying again and again. But the numbers don't lie.
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You can't compare seniors to young guys when it comes to "names" making the cut. Everyone needs to start somewhere, so there will always be young guys that are great bowlers that you don't know about yet. There are very few Ron Mohr types that make a name for themselves as a senior.
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Actually there have been quite a few seniors like Mohr over the years. Bob Glass and John Hirscina to name a couple
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Northface, it appears that you misread my comment. "There were names" refers to 2-3 names in the top 10 not being full time touring pros, as opposed to all of them.
Brett Wolfe crushing the stadium remains memorable 15 years later because he was an amateur (not to mention that he threw urethane at a time when bowlers had all but forgotten about that technology). My point is not that lesser known names never have success on tougher patterns, its just a rarer occurrence.
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You can't compare seniors to young guys when it comes to "names" making the cut. Everyone needs to start somewhere, so there will always be young guys that are great bowlers that you don't know about yet. There are very few Ron Mohr types that make a name for themselves as a senior.
It's true that in the regular Open and Masters, some of the names that you can't mail in ahead of time will be stars of the future. That's almost non-existent at the Senior level. Still, it doesn't change what I said earlier -- you can list ahead of time the majority of the guys who will move onto match play. The last regular US Open was an extreme example. 19 of the 24 slots went to name players you've seen on TV more than once.
As far as Ron Mohr, he's extremely talented. If he hadn't decided to work a full-time career as an Air Traffic Controller in Alaska, I have no doubt he would have competed effectively on the regular PBA tour. He's on my list of the 30 senior players I mentioned previously.
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There was a time 15 or 20 years ago when I had pretty good success in the Masters as an amateur. I always felt that I was helped by the fact that the Masters patterns were different than what the touring pros were seeing at the time. Straighter players seemed to fare better on these patterns. Wins by Schlegel, Jason Queen, and Brian Boghosian support my theory.
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I can vouch for John Hricsina. He was from the Pittsburgh area (as I am). Even years before he hit the PBA senior circuit, John could flat out bowl. He was a special talent.
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Every area has tour talent that aren't bowling on tour. They stay amateur and bowl all over typically.
Scores from the Open Championship confirm it when looking at the names that aren't PBA putting up very impressive scores on a very difficult pattern.
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There are a heck of a lot more really good bowlers than just the PBA guys. Its just that most of them can make more money in any kind of 9-5 job than with s bowling ball. Always been that way