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Equipment Boards => Roto Grip => Topic started by: xrayjay on September 07, 2017, 03:04:09 PM
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what balls in the storm umbrella does the hustle ink compare too.
I had a storm heat? I don't remember the name, low end ball. it was a great ball for me on THS first and second shift. I had to polish the solid cover and it was a ball I used for 2 seasons. My low tilt, average AR made medium ball for THS read early.
At this new house/location, I'm seeing a similar pattern and surface as the old house I've bowled in, just longer. And since the HI comes in "solid polish" oob, lower entry, big core compared to the breezes.... I thought this could be the ball I'm looking for after all. I bowl fist and second shift at this house and needing a versatile ball.
But I'm not familiar with balls in the roto grip line. In fact, I haven't been following ball companies and new releases at all. My bag is mix and over lapping, but owning a spinner is helpful - but I'm lazy.
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IQ Tour, and in a weaker way, the Hyroad.
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IQ Tour, and in a weaker way, the Hyroad.
it's like a hyroad? geez.....
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In my opinion, the ink rolls like I expected my hyroad too. My hyroad is too jumpy off the dry. Iit turned into an over/under machine unless I keep it dull, which in turn made it useless for the purpose I was hoping it would serve.
The INK is strong on the back without being unpredictable, even recovering if I tug it into the oil some (which is usually an issue for me when mixing my ball speed with low end balls). I can leave polish on it and use it on fresh house shots and broken down house shots, though I like it more on the break down.
I had a Hustle PRO and hated it, but my Hustle INK with the same layout has been money. I've thrown it in 6 games of league (out of 9) so far this year, and I've had 2 300s already with the INK. I really really like it.
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This ball is really good. I think it's a bit cleaner than the Huste PRO, but continues downlane better while still having predictability.
OP, I think it would fit what you're looking for very well.
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I got an INK and had to knock off the polish with 4000 abralon. Reads better without the polish for me, but I haven't had time to practice at all the last couple of weeks. It's definitely above my Storm Ride, which is my go-to ball at the moment.
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the only way to find out is to buy the HI and see out it rolls...... thanks for the info fellas
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Tropical Heat came in hybrid and pearl versions. The black and purple looked more solid. The Hot line from Storm would be similar to the Hustle line from Roto Grip.
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Hustle Ink is one of the best balls of the decade. I drilled another one with a 4" pin and took it to 2000 for a tournament this past weekend and it rolled even better than the first one that I drilled that I was in love with. This is in that very small list of balls I wouldn't hesitate to recommend to anyone, ESPECIALLY for the price. There are a lot of balls I could live without if they got discontinued, this one isn't one of them. If and when it happens, I'm buying 2 cases.
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Hustle Ink is one of the best balls of the decade. I drilled another one with a 4" pin and took it to 2000 for a tournament this past weekend and it rolled even better than the first one that I drilled that I was in love with. This is in that very small list of balls I wouldn't hesitate to recommend to anyone, ESPECIALLY for the price. There are a lot of balls I could live without if they got discontinued, this one isn't one of them. If and when it happens, I'm buying 2 cases.
And you were hesitant... Look at you now!
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Because the 4 Hustles they made before it were garbage lol. Hey, I take the honesty thing as seriously as possible. I was honestly wrong as hell on this one and am really enjoying being wrong, really good ball I'm glad everyone didn't let me miss.
Hustle Ink is one of the best balls of the decade. I drilled another one with a 4" pin and took it to 2000 for a tournament this past weekend and it rolled even better than the first one that I drilled that I was in love with. This is in that very small list of balls I wouldn't hesitate to recommend to anyone, ESPECIALLY for the price. There are a lot of balls I could live without if they got discontinued, this one isn't one of them. If and when it happens, I'm buying 2 cases.
And you were hesitant... Look at you now!
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Because the 4 Hustles they made before it were garbage lol. Hey, I take the honesty thing as seriously as possible. I was honestly wrong as hell on this one and am really enjoying being wrong, really good ball I'm glad everyone didn't let me miss.
Hustle Ink is one of the best balls of the decade. I drilled another one with a 4" pin and took it to 2000 for a tournament this past weekend and it rolled even better than the first one that I drilled that I was in love with. This is in that very small list of balls I wouldn't hesitate to recommend to anyone, ESPECIALLY for the price. There are a lot of balls I could live without if they got discontinued, this one isn't one of them. If and when it happens, I'm buying 2 cases.
And you were hesitant... Look at you now!
Not even interested in the Hustle POW? I've seen a lot of people score with that one.
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How would this ball compare to a Lights Out, which is one of my favorites.....
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I don't see how someone can love the INK and hate the other Hustles. My POW and INK are more similar than different. They just differ slightly in shape. At box finish, the INK actually went longer than the POW. I now have the INK at 4000 dull and took my POW to 4000 with polish. The INK is now earlier, but still far snappier than advertised. The POW is now longer, but even quicker off the spot.
Bottom line, the Hustle line is not for light oil. Certainly not for burn. Good balls, but Roto Grip needs to come out with some weaker balls still.
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That's what we all have been saying; Please cut back on ' Stronger than advertised'
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That's what we all have been saying; Please cut back on ' Stronger than advertised'
Yes, and Roto Grip needs to ditch using HP (literally means hook potential) for their categories. It makes no sense now. They need to re-arrange some things and/or create a 5th category if they are to keep it the same.
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I don't see how someone can love the INK and hate the other Hustles. My POW and INK are more similar than different. They just differ slightly in shape. At box finish, the INK actually went longer than the POW. I now have the INK at 4000 dull and took my POW to 4000 with polish. The INK is now earlier, but still far snappier than advertised. The POW is now longer, but even quicker off the spot.
Bottom line, the Hustle line is not for light oil. Certainly not for burn. Good balls, but Roto Grip needs to come out with some weaker balls still.
Have you tried to throw the same line with the INK as the IQ Tour solid and noted differences?
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Have you tried to throw the same line with the INK as the IQ Tour solid and noted differences?
I don't have an IQ Tour Solid so I can't compare them.
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I don't see how someone can love the INK and hate the other Hustles. My POW and INK are more similar than different. They just differ slightly in shape. At box finish, the INK actually went longer than the POW. I now have the INK at 4000 dull and took my POW to 4000 with polish. The INK is now earlier, but still far snappier than advertised. The POW is now longer, but even quicker off the spot.
Bottom line, the Hustle line is not for light oil. Certainly not for burn. Good balls, but Roto Grip needs to come out with some weaker balls still.
Have you tried to throw the same line with the INK as the IQ Tour solid and noted differences?
I have thrown the Tour solid and Ink side by side on Sunset Strip,(same layout on both balls, pin above bridge) my tour solid is about 2 boards stronger overall but much earlier and smoother down lane. I don't find the 2 to be similar in shape but they are pretty close in overall hook.
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I don't see how someone can love the INK and hate the other Hustles. My POW and INK are more similar than different. They just differ slightly in shape. At box finish, the INK actually went longer than the POW. I now have the INK at 4000 dull and took my POW to 4000 with polish. The INK is now earlier, but still far snappier than advertised. The POW is now longer, but even quicker off the spot.
Bottom line, the Hustle line is not for light oil. Certainly not for burn. Good balls, but Roto Grip needs to come out with some weaker balls still.
Have you tried to throw the same line with the INK as the IQ Tour solid and noted differences?
I have thrown the Tour solid and Ink side by side on Sunset Strip,(same layout on both balls, pin above bridge) my tour solid is about 2 boards stronger overall but much earlier and smoother down lane. I don't find the 2 to be similar in shape but they are pretty close in overall hook.
Do you wish you would have gone a different route with the INK layout now throwing the two side by side, or no?
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I purchased the INK thinking that it would be a really mild ball, and was looking for something to go above my RIDE. Well, it is above my RIDE, but way, way above! This ball is smooth and clean, but really strong! Throwing on the same pair, I could go from 22 to 10 with the RIDE (1000 abralon), but ended up 42 to 15 with the INK(4000 abralon).
For my needs, I was hoping for something much weaker, so I might have to do more research before I buy another ball. My daughter quit bowling, and she has the 2 Rack Attacks, so I might have to plug and re-drill. I think the purple would be a good choice.
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I don't see how someone can love the INK and hate the other Hustles. My POW and INK are more similar than different. They just differ slightly in shape. At box finish, the INK actually went longer than the POW. I now have the INK at 4000 dull and took my POW to 4000 with polish. The INK is now earlier, but still far snappier than advertised. The POW is now longer, but even quicker off the spot.
Bottom line, the Hustle line is not for light oil. Certainly not for burn. Good balls, but Roto Grip needs to come out with some weaker balls still.
Have you tried to throw the same line with the INK as the IQ Tour solid and noted differences?
I have thrown the Tour solid and Ink side by side on Sunset Strip,(same layout on both balls, pin above bridge) my tour solid is about 2 boards stronger overall but much earlier and smoother down lane. I don't find the 2 to be similar in shape but they are pretty close in overall hook.
Do you wish you would have gone a different route with the INK layout now throwing the two side by side, or no?
No, I actually think they compliment each other well with the same layout, the tour solid is a good starting ball on the fresh but I can't chase it in and still get it to corner well enough to carry good, that's where the Ink comes in, it's cleaner through the front and has more "shape" downlane so it works very well with chasing the pattern left.
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I have been wanting to pull the trigger on the ink.But I keep getting mixed reviews.Some say its way to strong some say its weak.I have the WreckEm which is very strong.My step down is the Hectic it is weaker.Was looking for maybe a step down from Hectic.I like Tamer reviews on balls.But they seem to think its very weak. So Strong or Weak which is it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc7k6aZI40w
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I don't see how someone can love the INK and hate the other Hustles. My POW and INK are more similar than different. They just differ slightly in shape. At box finish, the INK actually went longer than the POW. I now have the INK at 4000 dull and took my POW to 4000 with polish. The INK is now earlier, but still far snappier than advertised. The POW is now longer, but even quicker off the spot.
Bottom line, the Hustle line is not for light oil. Certainly not for burn. Good balls, but Roto Grip needs to come out with some weaker balls still.
Have you tried to throw the same line with the INK as the IQ Tour solid and noted differences?
I have thrown the Tour solid and Ink side by side on Sunset Strip,(same layout on both balls, pin above bridge) my tour solid is about 2 boards stronger overall but much earlier and smoother down lane. I don't find the 2 to be similar in shape but they are pretty close in overall hook.
Do you wish you would have gone a different route with the INK layout now throwing the two side by side, or no?
No, I actually think they compliment each other well with the same layout, the tour solid is a good starting ball on the fresh but I can't chase it in and still get it to corner well enough to carry good, that's where the Ink comes in, it's cleaner through the front and has more "shape" downlane so it works very well with chasing the pattern left.
Almost sounds like the place of my Hy-Road Pearl. Makes me wonder how it compares to the Match-Up Hybrid as well.
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I have an INK. I haven't thrown the Hectic, but have seen it thrown. Based on reviews, I'd place the INK higher than the Hectic, but it depends on how you have it drilled (obviously). Mine is my "weakest" ball,but by no means is it weak. I step down from my Dare Devil, and the moment that sucker hits the dry, it snaps so hard. Last week in league, it was the only thing I could throw, as everything was flying Brooklyn, or hitting the 7 pin. Even then, this thing was flying back so hard. One of my competitors made the comment "that's your weakest ball....holy #hit", so that said, it's a great piece of equipment. I'm thoroughly happy with mine. You may want to shine it up a little, but it hits like a mack truck, and is very dependable. (this statement was not sponsored by RG.....but if they want to throw some eq my way I'll take LOLOL)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFikkwXzzGk
I actually compare the Hectic to the Ink in this video. I have the Ink stronger by 3ish boards, with more pop on the backend. I think everyone needs an Ink anyway, but if you're looking for a step down for the Hectic, the Ink isn't it. You really need a hybrid Tropical Storm if you're looking for less than the Hectic.
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I bought the INK because I wanted a step down with a similar "look & feel" as my IQ Tour Solid. The OOB surface on the INK didn't provide enough of a step down, so I had my PSO adjust the surface from OOB to 4000+polish and it has given me the step down that I was looking for.
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As much as i "want" this ball, it's not what I'm looking for. I bowl on light oil that breaks down rather quickly. And I bowl on second shift where my starting point is already left of center - where I stand. plus, I'm reading a lot of mix reviews on this ball. It's good on dry, or it's stronger than expected. which is it?
It's tough for a bowler of my specs/style to buy or use coverstocks of today on conditions I bowl on. They hook/read too early, even the low end stuff.
What I"m looking for is a solid that I can play on broken down high friction dry lanes. Or a pearl that doesn't have a quick response.
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^^^^^^^^
+1,000,000
Let me know if you ever find that.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^ times 1000.
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Luke, tried the breezes the diff is so low It doesn't flare enough for me.They are a ten pin leaving machine.Drilled them weak and strong just not enough flare.Thanks for your input as always.Guess the hectic will be my weakest for now.
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Luke, tried the breezes the diff is so low It doesn't flare enough for me.They are a ten pin leaving machine.Drilled them weak and strong just not enough flare.Thanks for your input as always.Guess the hectic will be my weakest for now.
I've owned 3 breezes, 2 pearls and one solid.
Pearl #1 had a 4" pin up and it was a great THS ball under my Solid breeze with a 4.75 pin low pin. These two balls were my THS league balls for two season. The tropical Heat solid was above these two...
Now for my current breeze... HATE IT! Made the mistake drilling this weak. Over under from hell!! great spare ball.
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I can't get one to look right for me either, my wife has one and yeah it's not great. They look like they roll and chug really heavily, and then just don't do much, almost like they're fighting against rolling rather than just not doing it. Those are the new Tropical Storm's though, never had a Breeze.
Luke, tried the breezes the diff is so low It doesn't flare enough for me.They are a ten pin leaving machine.Drilled them weak and strong just not enough flare.Thanks for your input as always.Guess the hectic will be my weakest for now.
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Lol let me break out my rating for it, I've got it a +1 on hook, so it hooks a little more than the price point would suggest, but not a ton. At box, length is really good on it actually, I think it goes longer than the Hectic does, but it does more on the backend. If you're wanting to stand on top of the friction, probably not the best option, but if you can move in to find a bit of head oil and bump the track down the lane, it recovers and comes back from anywhere.
There's nothing on the market between a Hectic and a Tropical Storm though, absolutely nothing. The Hybrid is stronger than the pearls, but if the Hectic is too much and the Tropical Hybrid isn't enough, you're out of luck, and aside from making a polished solid Tropical, I don't think it's even really possible. Loco Solid maybe was it, the Hustle Ink is just a slightly stronger version of that. If you could find a Loco Solid anywhere, that's your answer.
As much as i "want" this ball, it's not what I'm looking for. I bowl on light oil that breaks down rather quickly. And I bowl on second shift where my starting point is already left of center - where I stand. plus, I'm reading a lot of mix reviews on this ball. It's good on dry, or it's stronger than expected. which is it?
It's tough for a bowler of my specs/style to buy or use coverstocks of today on conditions I bowl on. They hook/read too early, even the low end stuff.
What I"m looking for is a solid that I can play on broken down high friction dry lanes. Or a pearl that doesn't have a quick response.
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I realize it isn't the most attractive option to take some of the guts out of an upper level ball, but putting a less dynamic drill on a pearl or hybrid cover ball that has a higher RG (2.53 or more) and moderate diff really can be the way to fill a gap down on the lower end. You get the more active roll from the core but since it is already laying off, the shell and core clear the fronts but it doesn't go nuts as is reaches the back 1/3 of the lane.
Just a thought, since it appears that filling the gap as discussed above doesn't appear to be an option by just buying a ball that fits there with a "traditional" drill.
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I realize it isn't the most attractive option to take some of the guts out of an upper level ball, but putting a less dynamic drill on a pearl or hybrid cover ball that has a higher RG (2.53 or more) and moderate diff really can be the way to fill a gap down on the lower end. You get the more active roll from the core but since it is already laying off, the shell and core clear the fronts but it doesn't go nuts as is reaches the back 1/3 of the lane.
Just a thought, since it appears that filling the gap as discussed above doesn't appear to be an option by just buying a ball that fits there with a "traditional" drill.
What kind of layout are you suggesting for that?
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As a general rule, since short pins moderate the back end reaction and with a proper layout to lengthen the transition phase, you could then use a hole on or near the PAP to fine tune.
For instance, (just for discussion) a 15# Match UP pearl would give you an out of the box RG of 2.57 with a .035 diff. That natural length and pearl cover would allow lane play further right, and with a shorter pin paired with a flare reducing hole, you could raise the RG and lower the diff. That creates the opportunity to play the ball into the friction and allow it to use the slower transition and lower strength to not boomerang, but continue to roll.
Could this ball be a disaster? Certainly. I looked at Xrayjay's specs, and his combination of speed, tilt, rotation and rev rate are close to what a friend of mine has. When he moves into a transitioning house pattern, he tends to have the ball snap through the face or stands up early and won't hit if he can't find a spot to play the hold. His ball reads the fronts early and transitions fast due to his forward roll. When he increases his axis rotation he opens the lane up nicely, but it isn't his first choice, or his natural tendency.
Curious about the lane condition that brings this up with Xray. May be better options in regards to lane play than just balling down?
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As a general rule, since short pins moderate the back end reaction and with a proper layout to lengthen the transition phase, you could then use a hole on or near the PAP to fine tune.
For instance, (just for discussion) a 15# Match UP pearl would give you an out of the box RG of 2.57 with a .035 diff. That natural length and pearl cover would allow lane play further right, and with a shorter pin paired with a flare reducing hole, you could raise the RG and lower the diff. That creates the opportunity to play the ball into the friction and allow it to use the slower transition and lower strength to not boomerang, but continue to roll.
Could this ball be a disaster? Certainly. I looked at Xrayjay's specs, and his combination of speed, tilt, rotation and rev rate are close to what a friend of mine has. When he moves into a transitioning house pattern, he tends to have the ball snap through the face or stands up early and won't hit if he can't find a spot to play the hold. His ball reads the fronts early and transitions fast due to his forward roll. When he increases his axis rotation he opens the lane up nicely, but it isn't his first choice, or his natural tendency.
Curious about the lane condition that brings this up with Xray. May be better options in regards to lane play than just balling down?
Fair enough. I figured that was what you were thinking, but wanted to clarify. Interestingly enough, I've never considered using a short pin and a flare reducing hole.
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How does the Hustle Ink compare to any of the RG Shouts?
I have a 2013 RG Shout and am wondering if this would be too close to a Hustle Ink?
I also have a 2014 Scream which I suspect is closer to the Hustle Ink in terms of ball reaction?
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The Roto Grip Hustle Ink sounds a lot like the Motiv Venom Shock for those that throw 14lb. For those that have throw both in 14lb, I would be interested to hear their thoughts.
On a separate note, sounds like 4000 is the ideal surface for this release but what have others found to be the best layout ?
Longer or shorter pin to PAP ?
Smaller (35*) or larger (70*) angle to VAL ?
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a lot of the questions you ask could have a variety of answers depending upon your speed, tilt and rotation................... no right answer that fits all..............