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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: squirrelywrath1 on September 10, 2017, 12:43:47 AM
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Fast forward to about 3:15 or so. Both guys actually lofting over the gutter.
I think Wesley was throwing only a 14 lb. ball by the sound of it. Still he's able to get that thing driving through the pins pretty hard. Fun to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-ajvjMi8Sk
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Thankfully for the rest of us, scores are based on how many pins we knock down, not how many boards over the gutter cap ball goes.
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He's also lofting past the arrows on many shots. I've bowled at that house and can attest to the fact that those lanes hook a ton.
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In the May 2017 issue of BJI, they had an article about how candlepins has the lob line ten feet past the foul line and discuss if that should be applied to ten pin bowling. They said the Teen Masters in July instituted a rule with the penalty of zero pins for the frame that any ball is lofted past the arrows.
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While many of you may see the point of this, as an old guy, I just have to say:
THAT AIN'T BOWLING.
Call it what you want to. Pitching, hurling, hurtling, throwing.......
Lots of descriptive adjectives to describe that activity. Bowling not on the list.
Where and when I learned to bowl, you would have been asked to leave if you did that.
Actually, MORE than asked, probably escorted off the premises.
But, now they call it bowling? Normal? Standard Operating Procedure?
I call it sad. :'(
And ridiculous.
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I agree :-\
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Also agreed. That's not bowling, shows no skill, and does nothing but damage lanes.
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Higher number of games on "patterns" that make second arrow to the gutter out of bounds and force bowlers to the middle of the lane will lead to these results.
They figured out a way to continue to score where we continuously read on here about bowlers needing a "dry lane" ball to stay on second arrow for 3 games of league.
Final score 269-255 one righty, one lefty. I'd say they figured it out, but apparently they did it wrong.
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Final score 269-255 one righty, one lefty. I'd say they figured it out.
Never said they didn't "figure it out".
Said they weren't bowling.
Whatever it is that they were doing, they did it reasonably well. Scored well too.
But it was NOT bowling.
Hurling, tossing, throwing, hurtling, pitching, banging, swinging, whatever.
NOT bowling.
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NOT bowling
What delivery is required for it to be defined as bowling?
As a traditional style bowler, I wonder what it is that separates myself from these guys.
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Also agreed. That's not bowling, shows no skill, and does nothing but damage lanes.
Ok grandpa......shows no skill? I bet you can't do it. You old, get off my lawn, bitter bastards are something else. It's part of the modern game and since you can't do it, it's not bowling.
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NOT bowling
What delivery is required for it to be defined as bowling?
As a traditional style bowler, I wonder what it is that separates myself from these guys.
No specific delivery required.
It isn't anything to do with either of their deliveries.
It isn't what they did, it's that they had to do it.
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Also agreed. That's not bowling, shows no skill, and does nothing but damage lanes.
Ok grandpa......shows no skill? I bet you can't do it. You old, get off my lawn, bitter bastards are something else. It's part of the modern game and since you can't do it, it's not bowling.
I can do it.
Have no problem doing it. Might beat you doing it.
Just think it is stupid to HAVE to do it.
Still think it isn't bowling.
Don't know what it is though.
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Can't say that i totally disagree with juggs.
It definitely was not Wesley's best performance....I feel he was mimicking the righty.
The righty looked like a normal bowler just playing what the lanes gave him, he was smooth, controlled, focused.
Low was all over the place...and not playing his A game.
Didn't care to see who won....
And I also don't enjoy watching any lofting of the gutter cap, whether its maximum Bob or Belmonte...just not "bowling" to me either. It's the trend, so the sheep will follow lol. Sorry guys, and I'm the least bit traditional or conservative....
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Could I bowl chucking over the cap? No
How far inside can I bowl, like put up 200's one after another -
In practice sessions only, when the house didn't oil the lanes in who knows how long - inside of 6th arrow.
Would I do that in a tournament - well why would I want to since my A game is something totally different? If they make balls that allow playing the dry, why not use those. Instead of picking up the most aggressive ball I have to chase inside? And really, I think there has been a change recently for high rev players to move back outside instead of bowling like this. Probably a reason for the resurgence of Urethane. Several years ago would you have seen someone lik ej tackett through urethane hard and straight on tv?
If this is the shot that won, then that is what the people running the tournament put down. Or too many games and tournament should have had re-oil lanes at some point. Neither of them looked like had a very good shot. They really didn't.
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NOT bowling
What delivery is required for it to be defined as bowling?
As a traditional style bowler, I wonder what it is that separates myself from these guys.
No specific delivery required.
It isn't anything to do with either of their deliveries.
It isn't what they did, it's that they had to do it.
Like it or not, it's the modern game. Hell, I've done it on a reverse block and I wouldn't exactly say I have a lot of hand.
The game is no longer keep the ball right of 15 anymore. We can blame the patterns, or manufacturer game of putting out balls that chew up a pattern, shimwreckers, or whatever. This game couldn't be conceived of 35 years ago, but here we are.
It's bowling today.
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Well the modern game has very few bowlers in it, and the future game has even less lol.
What I'm getting at is new up and coming bowlers could care less about accuracy, it's all about how hard and how fast. U all must not bowl leagues.....
Not saying the the crusty old get off my lawn guys are right either....
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Bill, I'll go with your definition. Heave it out and no skill for accuracy, spray and pray, that's a different game. North can't comprehend that, but you've put it well. I think that defines the change.
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I commend the righty in the vid. Without watching my money would be on him he looks to be someone who can play all parts of the lane and look good doing it!!! Very Francois Lavois like.
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Bill, I'll go with your definition. Heave it out and no skill for accuracy, spray and pray, that's a different game. North can't comprehend that, but you've put it well. I think that defines the change.
You're a fucking donkey. It's not "spray and pray" you can't just loft caps recklessly AND get the ball to continue and strike. You have to have some semblance of accuracy. The same people saying what you're saying now claimed Belmonte wasn't accurate......multiple Us open titles and massive amounts of data from CATS provided his accuracy and launch angles were the best on tour...........better than all the fan favorite "straight players" riddle me that.
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Wesley Low is a very very good young player. He's going to kill them if he goes on tour.
As for the accuracy part, lofting it 15 feet with the ball coming down on 7th arrow without hitting the crap out of it and maintaining any decent ball roll is a skill itself. Heck, the right WITH the thumb in was deeper than the two hander! He was just cutting the heads more.
Is Mika not bowling because he can get it past the heads with loft?
This discussion is stupid. Are house shots bowling even though it's the Ray Charles open? Hit 5, strike. Hit 10, strike. Hit 15, strike.
Even Dick Weber never said "This isn't bowling." It's the evolution of the game that all.of us have created. We changed it with our wallets. Would we be having this discussion if resin had flopped and we were still just using urethane?
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Can't say that i totally disagree with juggs.
It definitely was not Wesley's best performance....I feel he was mimicking the righty.
The righty looked like a normal bowler just playing what the lanes gave him, he was smooth, controlled, focused.
Low was all over the place...and not playing his A game.
Didn't care to see who won....
And I also don't enjoy watching any lofting of the gutter cap, whether its maximum Bob or Belmonte...just not "bowling" to me either. It's the trend, so the sheep will follow lol. Sorry guys, and I'm the least bit traditional or conservative....
This is so full of holes I'm not sure where to begin. It's the trend for high level bowling........no one in this thread is on that level. Most of us, are like that righty, every once in awhile we will strike from way in (6th arrow) more often than not the ball will quit and go forward just the righty did quite a few times.
Which explains why some people in this very thread are looking for the ball that lets them stay in the track and to the right of it......because.......you know....... "that's bowling".
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Wesley Low is a very very good young player. He's going to kill them if he goes on tour.
As for the accuracy part, lofting it 15 feet with the ball coming down on 7th arrow without hitting the crap out of it and maintaining any decent ball roll is a skill itself. Heck, the right WITH the thumb in was deeper than the two hander! He was just cutting the heads more.
Is Mika not bowling because he can get it past the heads with loft?
This discussion is stupid. Are house shots bowling even though it's the Ray Charles open? Hit 5, strike. Hit 10, strike. Hit 15, strike.
Even Dick Weber never said "This isn't bowling." It's the evolution of the game that all.of us have created. We changed it with our wallets. Would we be having this discussion if resin had flopped and we were still just using urethane?
Low is just some punk kid lofting gutter caps........apparently they let anyone on team USA and into Wichita st who can't "bowl".........
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Regardless of what it is bowling or not if it was my center you would be out on your ass.The lofting crap just damages already worn out topography.Our centers here have old synthetics that are gone.One center is 24 year old synthetics and probably wont ever be replaced.Loft a ball past the arrows and they get very upset and will make you stop if you want to continue bowling.
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Regardless of what it is bowling or not if it was my center you would be out on your ass.The lofting crap just damages already worn out topography.Our centers here have old synthetics that are gone.One center is 24 year old synthetics and probably wont ever be replaced.Loft a ball past the arrows and they get very upset and will make you stop if you want to continue bowling.
If your topography dictated that this was necessary to score, you might want to invest in lower friction lane surfaces. In tournament bowling (not just open play or league), you're there to win and beat the field, which means conquering the pattern by whatever way you need to. If I need to loft it to the arrows to get over your beat to crap heads, so be it.
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Wesley Low is a very very good young player. He's going to kill them if he goes on tour.
As for the accuracy part, lofting it 15 feet with the ball coming down on 7th arrow without hitting the crap out of it and maintaining any decent ball roll is a skill itself. Heck, the right WITH the thumb in was deeper than the two hander! He was just cutting the heads more.
Is Mika not bowling because he can get it past the heads with loft?
This discussion is stupid. Are house shots bowling even though it's the Ray Charles open? Hit 5, strike. Hit 10, strike. Hit 15, strike.
Even Dick Weber never said "This isn't bowling." It's the evolution of the game that all.of us have created. We changed it with our wallets. Would we be having this discussion if resin had flopped and we were still just using urethane?
Low is just some punk kid lofting gutter caps........apparently they let anyone on team USA and into Wichita st who can't "bowl".........
My tone in the argument states I'm discrediting Wesley, which I'm not. I just thought he looked "fumble-y" and not on his A game. The other guy looked to be the better bowler, playing the better line. The funny thing is, he's a nobody compared to Low!
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Blame the environment, not the bowler.
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I'll loft that bitch to the stars if I have to, none of you are going to shit about it.
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Just flexin' my 6k posts muscles......
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I'll loft that bitch to the stars if I have to, none of you are going to shit about it.
:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
Just flexin' my 6k posts muscles......
#internettoughguy #internetsuperstar
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I'll loft that bitch to the stars if I have to, none of you are going to shit about it.
:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
Just flexin' my 6k posts muscles......
#internettoughguy #internetsuperstar
I'll do it with 1500 polished too. #TeamNF :P :P
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I'll loft that bitch to the stars if I have to, none of you are going to shit about it.
:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
Just flexin' my 6k posts muscles......
#internettoughguy #internetsuperstar
I'll do it with 1500 polished too. #TeamNF :P :P
Now you're just talking like a lunatic. Calm down!
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Do it in any centers in my town.You will be lofting your ball in the trunk of the car and driving home early.Attitudes like that wouldn't last long bowling around here.
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Do it in any centers in my town.You will be lofting your ball in the trunk of the car and driving home early.Attitudes like that wouldn't last long bowling around here.
You may have missed, what is referred to, as sarcasm.
Please, by God, tell me BowlingForSoup, that you didn't take what I said seriously. Please tell me that.....
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Did I mention any names? Just saying what happens around here when you loft anything past the arrows.
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Did I mention any names? Just saying what happens around here when you loft anything past the arrows.
Must have a bunch of dumpers in your area. Need MOAR CRANK!
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Not really a bunch of dumpers at all.No need to be lofting gutters on the houseshot here.We have lots of older guys like me 56 with 400 -450 rr.Unless thats what you call dumpers. :o
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I'll loft that bitch to the stars if I have to, none of you are going to shit about it.
:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
Just flexin' my 6k posts muscles......
#internettoughguy #internetsuperstar
I'll do it with 1500 polished too. #TeamNF :P :P
Now you're just talking like a lunatic. Calm down!
I'm about to start flexin my 4k muscles!
#team hashtags
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https://youtu.be/4v4kQUMcpEs
Last thing I'm saying.
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https://youtu.be/4v4kQUMcpEs
Last thing I'm saying.
OMG! I'm in tears and choking on my coffee from laughing at that video. Thanks for posting it!
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Haha doom!
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Omg I love it, good stuff doom!!!!! Made my night.
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Classic stuff!! :P
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bahahaha, john brandon reference.
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Very fine work! 8) 8)