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General Category => Coverstock Preparation => Topic started by: Aloarjr810 on November 29, 2017, 09:34:13 AM
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Has anybody ponied up $50 and tried Hook Juice Home Edition yet
https://ctdbowling.com/products/hook-juice-home-edition?variant=1042845401115 (https://ctdbowling.com/products/hook-juice-home-edition?variant=1042845401115)
$50 for one treatment and you do it every 50 games. That bucket you mix up better do a bunch of balls.
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Please don't tell me anyone is actually considering this. This is tragic from start to end, all it does is capitalize on a bunch of misconceptions and misinformation that are/is prevailing in the industry. It's just taking advantage of the ignorance that has been created by some in the industry because ignorance is profitable. This WAS however the funniest video I've seen today, so thanks for the laugh . . I mean, did no one notice that the first couple shots were being thrown on a completely different line and MUCH faster than the last shot after the "magic juice?" Yeah if I take an Outcry and throw it right through the middle of the lane at 22 mph it's probably going to blow the breakpoint, but if all the sudden I slow it down and catch the friction a whole arrow and a half further right, it might do something. I specifically like how the camera is set up to hide everything about the ball reaction. Stuff like this pisses me off because it's just a gimmick, if you want the ball tackier, buy an 8 dollar bottle of any one of the dozens of cleaners out there that make the ball tacky.
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Maybe we can get bambam to review this stuff, I'd love to hear what he would have to say about it.
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Since getting canned from EBI this guy has lost his mind.But he is kinda smart because people must be buying into the cleaners he has been making.He prays on gullible bowlers.If I want to create the difference no pun intended I use abralon for about 2.40$ a pad. ;D
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Please don't tell me anyone is actually considering this. This is tragic from start to end, all it does is capitalize on a bunch of misconceptions and misinformation that are/is prevailing in the industry. It's just taking advantage of the ignorance that has been created by some in the industry because ignorance is profitable. This WAS however the funniest video I've seen today, so thanks for the laugh . . I mean, did no one notice that the first couple shots were being thrown on a completely different line and MUCH faster than the last shot after the "magic juice?" Yeah if I take an Outcry and throw it right through the middle of the lane at 22 mph it's probably going to blow the breakpoint, but if all the sudden I slow it down and catch the friction a whole arrow and a half further right, it might do something. I specifically like how the camera is set up to hide everything about the ball reaction. Stuff like this pisses me off because it's just a gimmick, if you want the ball tackier, buy an 8 dollar bottle of any one of the dozens of cleaners out there that make the ball tacky.
Not to mention that you can accomplish the same thing with just a bucket of warm water and a little bit of degreasing dish soap.
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Since getting canned from EBI this guy has lost his mind.But he is kinda smart because people must be buying into the cleaners he has been making.He prays on gullible bowlers.If I want to create the difference no pun intended I use abralon for about 2.40$ a pad. ;D
Or maybe that's why he got canned from EBI.
As W.C. Fields once said, "'If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."
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Not to mention that you can accomplish the same thing with just a bucket of warm water and a little bit of degreasing dish soap.
Weeelllll I think there supposed to be a little more to it than that. It's not just removing oil.
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Okay Ron say's you can get a $10 off coupon!! Well that really makes you want to jump right on it for $40 don't it!!
Ron H:
"We have a coupon you can use for $10 off. Just send a email to help@ctdbowling.com It's recommended to do one ball so that you don't have the oil/chemicals removed from one ball mixed in with another ball."
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Honestly wouldn't mind trying this out if it was more then 1 ball per buy
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For the price of cleaning 2-3 balls, you might as well take that money and buy a new one😂😂😂
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Can't you get an oven for like 250?
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Looks like Fabuloso Cleaner - Ocean Cool - blue cleaner, he's pouring in the water
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With video evidence like that how can you deny the awesomeness of the product.
For $3 get some Palmolive ultra strength and see the results for yourself.
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C'mon Luke It's Hook JUICE :o :o
That's gold, Luke, gold 8)
Please don't tell me anyone is actually considering this. This is tragic from start to end, all it does is capitalize on a bunch of misconceptions and misinformation that are/is prevailing in the industry. It's just taking advantage of the ignorance that has been created by some in the industry because ignorance is profitable. This WAS however the funniest video I've seen today, so thanks for the laugh . . I mean, did no one notice that the first couple shots were being thrown on a completely different line and MUCH faster than the last shot after the "magic juice?" Yeah if I take an Outcry and throw it right through the middle of the lane at 22 mph it's probably going to blow the breakpoint, but if all the sudden I slow it down and catch the friction a whole arrow and a half further right, it might do something. I specifically like how the camera is set up to hide everything about the ball reaction. Stuff like this pisses me off because it's just a gimmick, if you want the ball tackier, buy an 8 dollar bottle of any one of the dozens of cleaners out there that make the ball tacky.
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You guys smell that too?!
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Maybe Ron should read these articles.......
https://www.inc.com/leonard-kim/5-situations-where-you-shouldn-t-call-yourself-ceo.html
https://techcrunch.com/2012/05/06/think-you-deserve-to-be-called-a-ceo/
Maybe he wouldn't be viewed as a con artist if he wasn't such an egoist calling himself CEO everytime he speaks.
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If it works as well as That Purple Stuff, I'll be buying just as much - that is, NONE, ZERO, NADA, NIL, NIHIL, ZIPPO.
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It would be cheaper and just as good to soak your ball in water and Simple Green.
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Not to mention that you can accomplish the same thing with just a bucket of warm water and a little bit of degreasing dish soap.
Weeelllll I think there supposed to be a little more to it than that. It's not just removing oil.
Then what exactly is it doing? Altering the surface as well? Come on man... $50 (or even $40) for one use is a rip off no matter what it is doing. You can accomplish the same for much cheaper. De-oil using whatever method and alter the surface using various products. All that can be done for much cheaper per ball. This crap is a rip off.
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CEO?? lol.... he probably just mixed solutions together, put it in a bottle, and cons poor bowlers with crazy prices...
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Hook juice?
HOOK JUICE?
REALLY?
$50, for one single treatment?
<SARCASM ON>
Come one, come all! Get your home package of the greatest bowling product to ever hit the market, the amazingly wonderful product called HOOK JUICE!
You just pour it in a bucket of water, soak your ball in it for an hour, and this magical product will simply infuse your ball with that hook and hitting power you’ve been looking for!
AND IT WILL STRIKE LIKE NEVER BEFORE!
Guaranteed to make your ball cover more boards and hit harder than ever before, sending all those crazy messengers you’ve always been jealous of, and carrying shots you never thought possible!
You know how it works, cause we shot a video! You know it works because we said so! You know you want it cause it’ll make you AWESOME!
EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT CHICKS DIG THE BIG HOOK! SIZE MATTERS!
<SARCASM OFF>
::) :-[
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Hook juice?
HOOK JUICE?
REALLY?
$50, for one single treatment?
<SARCASM ON>
Come one, come all! Get your home package of the greatest bowling product to ever hit the market, the amazingly wonderful product called HOOK JUICE!
You just pour it in a bucket of water, soak your ball in it for an hour, and this magical product will simply infuse your ball with that hook and hitting power you’ve been looking for!
AND IT WILL STRIKE LIKE NEVER BEFORE!
Guaranteed to make your ball cover more boards and hit harder than ever before, sending all those crazy messengers you’ve always been jealous of, and carrying shots you never thought possible!
You know how it works, cause we shot a video! You know it works because we said so! You know you want it cause it’ll make you AWESOME!
EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT CHICKS DIG THE BIG HOOK! SIZE MATTERS!
<SARCASM OFF>
::) :-[
One man's Dawn Dish Soap is another fool's hook juice. For $40 to 50 you can get a ball deoiled and resurfaced in the pro shop. Going to destroy Ron's magic juice.
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Something odd in that video was that Ron just up and disappears before the money shot at the end.
He puts the ball in the bucket and that's the last you hear from him, the other guy just takes over.
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I'd love to simply interview whomever buys this product......just about life in general.
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The only way I'd buy Hook Juice is if I was too far gone on gin and juice.
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The only way I'd buy Hook Juice is if I was too far gone on gin and juice.
Well played sir!
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My product is better and cheaper. For 39.99 I have simply green. I mean Hook Green Juice and it will give you a 299 every game. But wait! If you buy now, I have Dawn, I mean Max hook which will give you 300 every game.
So you get Simply green, I mean Hook Green and Dwan, I mean Max Hook for 39.99.
Who needs hook juice when you can average 300. The best part is the solution works for all your bowling balls.
If interested PM
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What a scam this is? I wonder why EBI let him go? Mmmmmmmm..
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That CEO claim is annoying.
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While i'm pretty sure we all have the same attitude about this product (or at least it's price point), things seem to be going pretty well for Ron with the CtD brand, his pro shops are busy and quite a few people have his cleaner.
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The posts about this stuff really are confusing. Someone needs to coordinate the marketing materials.
Rons FB post says:
"Improve the backend performance of your bowling ball for 50 plus games."
But the very next day they say:
"Need more backend hook permanently? Try This"
So the backend lasts how long? 50 games or is it a permanent increase?
Then you got this:
"Hook Juice is a permanent enhancement in backend reaction and is only done every 50 games"
It's contradicting itself.
If it's a permanent enhancement, why do you have to do it again 50 games later? .
Then theres these ads
the first one says 2-8oz bottles is one treatment, (Thats 16oz for one shot)
(plus it looks like it says something about 24hours cant make it out)
but a few days later its one 32oz bottle does one treatment.
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“No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people.“
H.L. Mencken
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OMG it just gets funnier!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1711541308917990&set=pcb.1711541418917979&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1711541308917990&set=pcb.1711541418917979&type=3&theater)
Poster about the Juice:
"The hot water and soap helps get the oil out of the cover stock"
Ronald Hickland::
"There is no soap in this product. Soap is actually bad for your ball."
Poster:
"Why is soap bad for your ball?"
Ronald Hickland:
" That slippery feeling you get from dish soap can be absorbed by the bowling ball and impede oil absorption. Soap is great for cleaning dishes not so great for bowling ball performance."
That slippery feeling you get from dish soap.....................................
(https://www.ballreviews.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.tvtropes.org%2Fpmwiki%2Fpub%2Fimages%2Fdeja_q_hd_046_resized_6484.jpg&hash=d4206160800e53151fd0da913976ac23c93e177a)
All the years people have been soaking balls in soapy water and nobody has mentioned this before???
Darn whats Ron been smoking??? or is it the fumes from that purple stuff?
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A feeling can be absorbed?
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Someone's cheese done slid off their cracker.
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C'mon Man, It's Hook Juice..... Hook Juice
Say it with me >>> HOOK JUICE!
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I used it and it works. My ball (snap lock) was almost dead. Instead of spending another 150 -200 bucks on a new ball, i tried this. It works...make all the jokes you want youre the ones missing out.
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I used it and it works. My ball (snap lock) was almost dead. Instead of spending another 150 -200 bucks on a new ball, i tried this. It works...make all the jokes you want youre the ones missing out.
So you ponied up $50 for it?
It may well work, But let's face it. It's $50 for just a de-oiling bath that only does one ball and you have to do every 50 games.
$50 depending on where your at, can get a detox and a resurface, with change left over.
The marketing seems suspect too.
The org. HJ Home Ed. product starts out, being sold as 2 -8oz. bottles saying 16oz. will just do one ball.
Then a short time later it changes to 1- 32oz. bottle that says 32oz. will just do one ball.
I'm guessing what happen here was someone in marketing looked said well $50 for 16oz. will sound like too much for too little, so they upped the bottle size and changed the instructions to still get you to use it all so you had to come back and buy more.
The 32oz bottle probably actually will do at least two balls if you used the org. instructions. (And most likely more than that)
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Here's the Original demo video for Hook Juice(Non home version) from a year ago.
You got to wonder though, which had more influence on cleaning the ball the Juice or that Jayhawk Detox machine it was cooking in?
All kidding aside, The Hook Juice may well work just fine.
But it does seem very over priced for what it does and how few balls it's good for. I mean a quart per ball?
If that quart bottle had been a concentrate for $50 and you used only a ounce per ball, that would get the price per ball cleaning down to $1.56. That would be a bit more reasonable.
or
If they had come up with say a Kool-aid size package of chemicals for $1.99, that you could mix in a bucket of hot water that did the same thing for one ball (Removed oil and made it feel tacky) and it worked.
They probably couldn't make it fast enough to keep it on the shelf.
But $50 bottles are not going to be moving that fast
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Well if you say so..... ??? I'll keep my $50...
Heat is proven to get oil out of a ball, what does the HOOK JUICE actually do to improve this process that makes it worth $50 for one ball?
Let's again say it HOOK JUICE! C'mon man it's HOOK JUICE!!
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I used it and it works. My ball (snap lock) was almost dead. Instead of spending another 150 -200 bucks on a new ball, i tried this. It works...make all the jokes you want youre the ones missing out.
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Been using remedy X and clean and dull for many years.. I have balls with over 50 games.. (currently it’s my rave) they still hook.. and when the house does things to the pattern and/or lane surface..I get too much hook on my 4 to 6 year old balls..
This is the reason I don’t buy the purple rain and gin and juice...
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As someone that probably has 200 games or more on a ball that I brought at the start of summer, this stuff would break me. Why would I spend more than the cost of the ball to keep rejuvenating it when I can hand a friend a $10 bill to put it in his homemade ball over when it starts to stop feeling tacky when I clean it?
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Its not just a cleaner or de oiler. It changes the properties of the ball to make it perform better. Im not a chemist, Ive detoxed balls before and see the differences. It will improve a new ball also, not just one thats oiled up. Seems like everyone likes to bash a new idea or concept without trying it. I'm not saying to go out and spend money on it, but to knock it down without trying it seems very amateurish. I used it, I like it, thats all I can say.
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Its not just a cleaner or de oiler. It changes the properties of the ball to make it perform better. Im not a chemist, Ive detoxed balls before and see the differences. It will improve a new ball also, not just one thats oiled up. Seems like everyone likes to bash a new idea or concept without trying it. I'm not saying to go out and spend money on it, but to knock it down without trying it seems very amateurish. I used it, I like it, thats all I can say.
If it really does change the properties, then wouldn't it be illegal to use? Aren't the bowling balls approved by USBC as is, and any changes to those properties would mean it was a different ball and would have to be approved?
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You are not chemist? Are you are materials engineer? A scientist of any discipline? It is mixed with water and it magically changes the properties of the ball? How? What is it changing? What is the need for the warm water? Please tell me what is in this magical HOOK JUICE? ::) If it indeed does change the properties of the ball say like how Acetone does it would be illegal. My guess is you work with or are the snake oil salesmen in the video but that is a guess I can't prove it... Sort of like how you can't prove the HOOK JUICE does anything. :P
But C'mon Man it's HOOK JUICE :o :o :o
Lets All say it again HOOK JUICE :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Its not just a cleaner or de oiler. It changes the properties of the ball to make it perform better. Im not a chemist, Ive detoxed balls before and see the differences. It will improve a new ball also, not just one thats oiled up. Seems like everyone likes to bash a new idea or concept without trying it. I'm not saying to go out and spend money on it, but to knock it down without trying it seems very amateurish. I used it, I like it, thats all I can say.
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Someone has been drinking to much Purple Stuff.
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So it now "changes the properties of the coverstock"?? Is this USBC approved? or is it marketing , hype & BS?!
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Is this thread over? Where is my friend amazon? :(
I must say I wish this was real product because I just love the name HOOK JUICE 8)
But C'mon Man it's HOOK JUICE :o :o :o
Lets All say it again HOOK JUICE :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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I think they only went half way with the name of this product. What more could a bowler want than HOOK and HOLD. HOOK and HOLD JUICE what more could you ask for.
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How much hook do a Nirvana,Scandal etc. needs? This product is bs and I am a new bowler. I see people with the purple stuff but I won't try that neither.
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I really appreciate the comments and wanted to help clarify a few things. Hook Juice is legal as it doesn't soften the ball. This product has been in use by consumers for more than a year. Our first beta home version was 2- 8 ounce bottles. The final product is 1- 32 oz bottle. We did this because the truth is people don't read the label. We wanted to make sure the product worked even if they were slightly off with the ratio. Unlike hot water / whatever else you want to add to it. This product improves the performance, by increasing the backend hook. That's important, because most products that increase hook do it mechanically,like sanding, that make the ball hook earlier not later. This product even works on a brand new ball. It's a chemical change to the cover more than a cleaning of the cover. That is what makes it different than other products that exist. The Pro Shop Version uses a Detox, and speeds up the process to 30 min. Since you mentioned the cost, I wanted to say thank you for sharing the product with the ball reviews community and offer you a 50% off coupon to try it for yourself. So you can try it for $25 available for 1 week.
I always have appreciated this group, even when I was at EBI. Love us or hate us we appreciate the promotion. If you want more information or have more questions send a email to help@ctdbowling.com
Just type in HJ50 when you check out for 50% off of Hook Juice
Here is the link
https://ctdbowling.com/products/hook-juice-home-edition?variant=1042845401115
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It's a chemical change to the cover more than a cleaning of the cover. That is what makes it different than other products that exist.
Then, BY THE STRICTEST DEFINITION, it IS illegal.
When you chemically change the ball, you alter it from the configuration that was approved by the U.S.B.C., and circumvent the approval process altogether. You are skirting the rules by offering a product that chemically alters the surface of the ball, and you damn well know it. You worked in the industry long enough to know better, yet you’re still doing it.
SHAME ON YOU.
I.M.H.O., you are either a liar out to make a buck off the innocence of people’s ignorance, or an outright idiot that doesn’t understand the English language.
Either way, I will never use your junk.
HOOK JUICE = LIQUID CHEATING.
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Ron, you better drop the shovel before you dig yourself a bigger hole
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It's a chemical change to the cover more than a cleaning of the cover. That is what makes it different than other products that exist.
Then, BY THE STRICTEST DEFINITION, it IS illegal.
When you chemically change the ball, you alter it from the configuration that was approved by the U.S.B.C., and circumvent the approval process altogether. You are skirting the rules by offering a product that chemically alters the surface of the ball, and you damn well know it. You worked in the industry long enough to know better, yet you’re still doing it.
SHAME ON YOU.
I.M.H.O., you are either a liar out to make a buck off the innocence of people’s ignorance, or an outright idiot that doesn’t understand the English language.
Either way, I will never use your junk.
HOOK JUICE = LIQUID CHEATING.
So, you won't be taking advantage of that one week only 50% offer then? ;D
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It's a chemical change to the cover more than a cleaning of the cover. That is what makes it different than other products that exist.
Then, BY THE STRICTEST DEFINITION, it IS illegal.
When you chemically change the ball, you alter it from the configuration that was approved by the U.S.B.C., and circumvent the approval process altogether. You are skirting the rules by offering a product that chemically alters the surface of the ball, and you damn well know it. You worked in the industry long enough to know better, yet you’re still doing it.
SHAME ON YOU.
I.M.H.O., you are either a liar out to make a buck off the innocence of people’s ignorance, or an outright idiot that doesn’t understand the English language.
Either way, I will never use your junk.
HOOK JUICE = LIQUID CHEATING.
So, you won't be taking advantage of that one week only 50% offer then? ;D
Nah bro. Nah.
Good to know that now you can fu** up your ball for half price though....... :o
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I did not see on that site linked by RonaldHickland for the Hook Juice anywhere where it was stated Approved By USBC, nor did I notice it on the USBC Approved list. So... did I just miss it?
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I hope no one wastes their money on anything this con artist sells on that crappy ass bullshit website. It's all snake oil with funny names. I doubt the crack staff at ctd bowling has one person with a chemistry degree or a law degree selling crap they say is "approved by USBC" but is not a the approved list....
Hey Ron, anyone tell you today? Go +++ yourself.
But C'mon Man it's HOOK JUICE :o :o :o
Lets All say it again HOOK JUICE :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Gotta love the people on here that dont try something but know everything about it. Makes me laugh. All pretty big talkers but nothing to back it up. Like I said..I paid for it, I used it and it worked. Im not a chemist, scientist or engineer. I bowl, I know what works and what doesnt. I'm not pimping the product here and never posted about it until I saw this thread. If you want to take my word for it, fine, if you think its snake oil, fine. Do what you want. Criticizing a ball or a product without using it or seeing it used is foolish. Just my opinion.
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Gotta love the people on here that dont try something but know everything about it. Makes me laugh. All pretty big talkers but nothing to back it up. Like I said..I paid for it, I used it and it worked. Im not a chemist, scientist or engineer. I bowl, I know what works and what doesnt. I'm not pimping the product here and never posted about it until I saw this thread. If you want to take my word for it, fine, if you think its snake oil, fine. Do what you want. Criticizing a ball or a product without using it or seeing it used is foolish. Just my opinion.
Yeah sure lets piss away $50 on everything that comes down the pike so we can try it and be in the know. - A dumb broke fool
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Gotta love the people on here that dont try something but know everything about it. Makes me laugh. All pretty big talkers but nothing to back it up. Like I said..I paid for it, I used it and it worked. Im not a chemist, scientist or engineer. I bowl, I know what works and what doesnt. I'm not pimping the product here and never posted about it until I saw this thread. If you want to take my word for it, fine, if you think its snake oil, fine. Do what you want. Criticizing a ball or a product without using it or seeing it used is foolish. Just my opinion.
How did the Griips Glove work for you?
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As long as I'm making money I'll spend it on whatever I want. I can buy 50 new balls if I wanted but I wanted to try the product. I have a snap lock didnt want to get rid of it so I saved it. I have a successful business selling on Amazon....hence the name. But I'm not dollar foolish, I can buy any ball but why throw away another 200 bucks? I "risked" a big 50...and it paid off. And before anyone asks, I dont sell bowling products on Amazon or anywhere else. I sell products and if anyone had something negative to say about it without trying it they would be pretty stupid. My suggestion would be for any of you negative types that are against Hook Juice.....Dont buy it, but to sit there and be a keyboard warrior talking bad about something you know nothing about...makes you look like an idiot. I never used used Turbo tape, it sucks, its snake oil, not worth the 15 bucks a roll, it comes off easy...BUT I never used it...lol
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My, a bit touchy... :o
If it works for you, then enjoy it. You should need validation from a bunch of people you don't know online, nor should you give a shit what they think.
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Yes amazon is back! Or should I say Ron? ::)
Unless you prove this is a USBC approved product no one should consider it regardless if it's $50 or $5. Any product that chemically alters the ball would likely be illegal and I am many things but not a cheater.
But C'mon Man it's HOOK JUICE :o :o :o
Lets All say it again HOOK JUICE :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Gotta love the people on here that dont try something but know everything about it. Makes me laugh. All pretty big talkers but nothing to back it up. Like I said..I paid for it, I used it and it worked. Im not a chemist, scientist or engineer. I bowl, I know what works and what doesnt. I'm not pimping the product here and never posted about it until I saw this thread. If you want to take my word for it, fine, if you think its snake oil, fine. Do what you want. Criticizing a ball or a product without using it or seeing it used is foolish. Just my opinion.
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Yes amazon is back! Or should I say Ron? ::)
Unless you prove this is a USBC approved product no one should consider it regardless if it's $50 or $5. Any product that chemically alters the ball would likely be illegal and I am many things but not a cheater.
But C'mon Man it's HOOK JUICE :o :o :o
Lets All say it again HOOK JUICE :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Gotta love the people on here that dont try something but know everything about it. Makes me laugh. All pretty big talkers but nothing to back it up. Like I said..I paid for it, I used it and it worked. Im not a chemist, scientist or engineer. I bowl, I know what works and what doesnt. I'm not pimping the product here and never posted about it until I saw this thread. If you want to take my word for it, fine, if you think its snake oil, fine. Do what you want. Criticizing a ball or a product without using it or seeing it used is foolish. Just my opinion.
have you ever used acetone?
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Yes amazon is back! Or should I say Ron? ::)
Unless you prove this is a USBC approved product no one should consider it regardless if it's $50 or $5. Any product that chemically alters the ball would likely be illegal and I am many things but not a cheater.
But C'mon Man it's HOOK JUICE :o :o :o
Lets All say it again HOOK JUICE :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Gotta love the people on here that dont try something but know everything about it. Makes me laugh. All pretty big talkers but nothing to back it up. Like I said..I paid for it, I used it and it worked. Im not a chemist, scientist or engineer. I bowl, I know what works and what doesnt. I'm not pimping the product here and never posted about it until I saw this thread. If you want to take my word for it, fine, if you think its snake oil, fine. Do what you want. Criticizing a ball or a product without using it or seeing it used is foolish. Just my opinion.
have you ever used acetone?
Or ate paint chips as a kid?
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acetone >>> no
paint chips >> maybe, I did grow up in the hood
But C'mon Man it's HOOK JUICE :o :o :o
Lets All say it again HOOK JUICE :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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acetone >>> no
paint chips >> maybe, I did grow up in the hood
But C'mon Man it's HOOK JUICE :o :o :o
Lets All say it again HOOK JUICE :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Meant more for Ron Amazon but yeah guess all of us of certain age grew up with way too much lead around.
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I am not Ron, but you all proved my point.
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I am not Ron, but you all proved my point.
No one is proving your point at all. You don't need to try something to know it isn't worth it. That's crazy talk.
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I am not Ron, but you all proved my point.
"Well I thought it was a very lovely story and you tell it so well, with such enthusiasm."
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he's a CEO.....hahaha
I wonder how much does he earn annually on his business alone. Some of us here make over 100K... then there's some of us who lurk on sites like this all day and get paid, watch TV/youtube all day and get paid, go shopping and get paid, Take naps and get paid, and do my job at the same time. I make a better CEO than this dude Ron....
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I am not Ron, but you all proved my point.
The CTD products are all pretty high priced, But that's to be expected from a boutique company that produces a limited range & quantity of very specialized goods.
While I haven't used it I'm pretty sure Ron Hicklands Hook Juice H.E. product probably works as claimed, I've used That Purple Stuff and it works well.
But IMO $50 for a one ball at home treatment is pretty steep regardless of the results. When there are comparable, lower cost alternatives that could produce similar results.
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$50 is a fairly decent used ball (hell new during Black Friday). His product may make more sense at that price point if bowling balls cost a grand or something.
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$50 is a fairly decent used ball (hell new during Black Friday). His product may make more sense at that price point if bowling balls cost a grand or something.
But,
It’s mystical, it’s magical, it’s new and improved, and will make your ball hook more than a Brazilian transvestite.
ITS HOOOOOOOOOOOOOK JUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUICE!
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When your ball stops hooking just go out and buy another ball...Thats just like your old ball and the one before that...10 year old cover on a "new" core...lol DONT SPEND THE 50 bucks on hook juice...go buy another new ball, problem solved.
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ps...To the person that said you could be a better CEO.....I guess you think youre the best at everything. "some of us make 100k a year".... you think thats good money? You are the type that THINKS you are great but youre probably not that great at anything. Just a keyboard loud mouth, nothing more.
NOW I'm not putting down a 100 grand...but dont come on here and say 'some of us make 100k"...1 thats not a lot and 2 nobody cares, But again you try to show off like you are some big shot and you are not. Give your fingers a rest little boy.
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When your ball stops hooking just go out and buy another ball...Thats just like your old ball and the one before that...10 year old cover on a "new" core...lol DONT SPEND THE 50 bucks on hook juice...go buy another new ball, problem solved.
At least it will be LEGAL to use.
Unlike your hook juice soaked, chemically altered, ball.
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When your ball stops hooking just go out and buy another ball...Thats just like your old ball and the one before that...10 year old cover on a "new" core...lol DONT SPEND THE 50 bucks on hook juice...go buy another new ball, problem solved.
At least it will be LEGAL to use.
Unlike your hook juice soaked, chemically altered, ball.
I am not for or against Hook Juice - however, show me where in the USBC Equipment Specifications and Certifications Manual where it says you cannot chemically alter a ball at all? The manual specifically states the following in regards to chemicals:
The use of chemicals, or other methods, to change the hardness of the surface of the ball after it is manufactured is prohibited.
All that says to me is do not use chemicals to change hardness, it does not say do not use chemicals. Cleaners are chemicals. The only ones they ban during competition are the ones that change hardness. I am assuming that Hook Juice is not changing the surface hardness via chemicals (like acetone). The question really is then, if it's not changing surface hardness and if it's not snake oil, what is it doing and should it be legal?
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When your ball stops hooking just go out and buy another ball...Thats just like your old ball and the one before that...10 year old cover on a "new" core...lol DONT SPEND THE 50 bucks on hook juice...go buy another new ball, problem solved.
At least it will be LEGAL to use.
Unlike your hook juice soaked, chemically altered, ball.
I am not for or against Hook Juice - however, show me where in the USBC Equipment Specifications and Certifications Manual where it says you cannot chemically alter a ball at all? The manual specifically states the following in regards to chemicals:
The use of chemicals, or other methods, to change the hardness of the surface of the ball after it is manufactured is prohibited.
All that says to me is do not use chemicals to change hardness, it does not say do not use chemicals. Cleaners are chemicals. The only ones they ban during competition are the ones that change hardness. I am assuming that Hook Juice is not changing the surface hardness via chemicals (like acetone). The question really is then, if it's not changing surface hardness and if it's not snake oil, what is it doing and should it be legal?
Fact of the matter is this... regardless of what Hook Juice does to the coverstock, it is not approved for use at any time by USBC. Based on this, the back forth is useless.
I am sure there are many chemicals that can change the performance of the ball, but they aren't allowed. Stating you use such chemicals says you are either a cheat or ignorant to the rules.
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When your ball stops hooking just go out and buy another ball...Thats just like your old ball and the one before that...10 year old cover on a "new" core...lol DONT SPEND THE 50 bucks on hook juice...go buy another new ball, problem solved.
At least it will be LEGAL to use.
Unlike your hook juice soaked, chemically altered, ball.
I am not for or against Hook Juice - however, show me where in the USBC Equipment Specifications and Certifications Manual where it says you cannot chemically alter a ball at all? The manual specifically states the following in regards to chemicals:
The use of chemicals, or other methods, to change the hardness of the surface of the ball after it is manufactured is prohibited.
All that says to me is do not use chemicals to change hardness, it does not say do not use chemicals. Cleaners are chemicals. The only ones they ban during competition are the ones that change hardness. I am assuming that Hook Juice is not changing the surface hardness via chemicals (like acetone). The question really is then, if it's not changing surface hardness and if it's not snake oil, what is it doing and should it be legal?
Fact of the matter is this... regardless of what Hook Juice does to the coverstock, it is not approved for use at any time by USBC. Based on this, the back forth is useless.
I am sure there are many chemicals that can change the performance of the ball, but they aren't allowed. Stating you use such chemicals says you are either a cheat or ignorant to the rules.
Was the "Stating you use such chemicals says you are either a cheat or ignorant to the rules" pointed at me? I never stated I use any chemicals nor am I advocating for Hook Juice or any other surface changing chemicals. Call me a cheat again and see what happens...
However, you bring up a good point - Hook Juice is not on the USBC approved to use cleaner/polish list. But is it a ball cleaner or a polish? Is it neither? The USBC only regulates cleaners and polishes and puts those into approved and non-approved lists...
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Note the USBC approved products list on bowl.com is a year old thats why you can't find it on it. :
http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/Approved_cleaner_polish.pdf (http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/Approved_cleaner_polish.pdf)
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Heres something of interest read the instructions
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1730085907063530&set=pcb.1730086513730136&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1730085907063530&set=pcb.1730086513730136&type=3&theater)
It says don't put balls with sharp edges or cracks in it.
Also it can discolor the logos.
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Note the USBC approved products list on bowl.com is a year old thats why you can't find it on it. :
http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/Approved_cleaner_polish.pdf (http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/Approved_cleaner_polish.pdf)
I really appreciate the comments and wanted to help clarify a few things. Hook Juice is legal as it doesn't soften the ball. This product has been in use by consumers for more than a year...
According to Hickland, it has been used for over a year.
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All this talk about cheats....Im sure some of you have used acetone at one time or another or denatured alcohol or some other non approved product. I bet some even have balls that are drilled illegally. Get an updated list of approved products by the
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All this talk about cheats....Im sure some of you have used acetone at one time or another or denatured alcohol or some other non approved product. I bet some even have balls that are drilled illegally. Get an updated list of approved products by the
You might want to check that list yourself, denatured alcohol is approved for anytime use.
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All this talk about cheats....Im sure some of you have used acetone at one time or another or denatured alcohol or some other non approved product. I bet some even have balls that are drilled illegally. Get an updated list of approved products by the
You might want to check that list yourself, denatured alcohol is approved for anytime use.
Always wondered if that included alcohol denatured with MEK which I guess some is. That is why I only use IPA plus its better for dissolving oil without leaving residue.
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When your ball stops hooking just go out and buy another ball...Thats just like your old ball and the one before that...10 year old cover on a "new" core...lol DONT SPEND THE 50 bucks on hook juice...go buy another new ball, problem solved.
At least it will be LEGAL to use.
Unlike your hook juice soaked, chemically altered, ball.
I am not for or against Hook Juice - however, show me where in the USBC Equipment Specifications and Certifications Manual where it says you cannot chemically alter a ball at all? The manual specifically states the following in regards to chemicals:
The use of chemicals, or other methods, to change the hardness of the surface of the ball after it is manufactured is prohibited.
All that says to me is do not use chemicals to change hardness, it does not say do not use chemicals. Cleaners are chemicals. The only ones they ban during competition are the ones that change hardness. I am assuming that Hook Juice is not changing the surface hardness via chemicals (like acetone). The question really is then, if it's not changing surface hardness and if it's not snake oil, what is it doing and should it be legal?
Fact of the matter is this... regardless of what Hook Juice does to the coverstock, it is not approved for use at any time by USBC. Based on this, the back forth is useless.
I am sure there are many chemicals that can change the performance of the ball, but they aren't allowed. Stating you use such chemicals says you are either a cheat or ignorant to the rules.
Was the "Stating you use such chemicals says you are either a cheat or ignorant to the rules" pointed at me? I never stated I use any chemicals nor am I advocating for Hook Juice or any other surface changing chemicals. Call me a cheat again and see what happens...
However, you bring up a good point - Hook Juice is not on the USBC approved to use cleaner/polish list. But is it a ball cleaner or a polish? Is it neither? The USBC only regulates cleaners and polishes and puts those into approved and non-approved lists...
Sorry, was not directed at you. Just a general statement.
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All this talk about cheats....Im sure some of you have used acetone at one time or another or denatured alcohol or some other non approved product. I bet some even have balls that are drilled illegally. Get an updated list of approved products by the
not for or against, but I agree with the acetone statement. Many have or still use
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WE ALL KNOW ACETONE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USED. I AM NEITHER SHOOTING DOWN, OR ADVOCATING ITS USE.
What I am saying is that nobody is trying to sell me acetone and telling me it is fine to use it on my bowling ball when they know it isn’t legal to use.
Mr. Hickland IS trying to sell this stuff, and telling everyone it is fine, it is great, come get you some right now cause you need it.
Let him produce USBC certification that it is, in fact, legal to use, and I will get off of him and his hook juice, and get on USBC’s ass for certifying a product that chemically alters a balls composition from it initial configuration.
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Hey Amazon the CEO, we know its you Ron....
Unless you prove this is a USBC approved product no one should consider it regardless if it's $50 or $5.
Provide that list with your product on it and then if people want to waste their $50 at least they would know its USBC approved.
But C'mon Man it's HOOK JUICE :o :o :o
Lets All say it again HOOK JUICE :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Hey Amazon or Ron or Amazon Ron >>>
Where is the current USBC Approved products list? You all claim its an approved product let see it on the list. Let see proof. 8)
But C'mon Man it's HOOK JUICE :o :o :o
Lets All say it again HOOK JUICE :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Let's talk about this shall we? In the first video, the ball before hook juice struck, albeit not impressively. Then we "improve" the reaction with hook juice, and the ball goes through the face and gets 5. So 5 pins are better than 10?
Anyone who thinks extra hook or extra backend automatically makes the ball better is absolutely incorrect. It is entirely conditional, this is such an antiquated way of thinking when I used to have all kinds of people come in asking for the biggest hooking ball on the wall. It would be like playing a round of golf using your driver for every shot. "Well it hits the ball the furthest so it has to be the bestest!!"
Step 1: Buy the ball you need or want, make the appropriate cover adjustments to dial it in for you and the condition.
Step 2: Use a shammy, it prevents the vast majority of oil absorption, which is the factor that will make it lazy on the backend.
Step 3: Regularly clean your ball.
Step 4: If it loses reaction, give it an oil extraction, preferably a Detox, return surface to where you had it.
That is all. That is all that needs done if the ball loses reaction, it's not $200 for a new ball instead of $50 for hook juice like you claim, it's $50 or less for a Detox, a resurface, or both to get the ball back to where it was and where you need it via treatments that actually work and are completely transparent and understandable rather than $50 for some hocus pocus. Never in my life have I seen a concentrate solution that you need the whole 32 ounce bottle for. Simple Green you need like an ounce per gallon of water.
Furthermore, Ron claiming "well people don't read the label and we wanted to make sure people got the ratio right." Really? There are a lot of times people don't read the instructions, but you give somebody a bottle of something and tell them mix some of this with water and soak it, the VERY FIRST QUESTION THEY WILL ASK WILL BE, "oh, ok, well how much do I use?" With cleaner, it's always, "how much or how often?"
Hook Juice and the idea is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS, all it does is take advantage of the vast and myriad misconceptions in the bowling world to make a buck, that's all this is. There is no data provided, there is no measure of how much it "improves" performance, it's likely just a generic cleaner or a mixture of them with some food coloring with an extremely poor quality infomercial.
As long as I'm making money I'll spend it on whatever I want. I can buy 50 new balls if I wanted but I wanted to try the product. I have a snap lock didnt want to get rid of it so I saved it. I have a successful business selling on Amazon....hence the name. But I'm not dollar foolish, I can buy any ball but why throw away another 200 bucks? I "risked" a big 50...and it paid off. And before anyone asks, I dont sell bowling products on Amazon or anywhere else. I sell products and if anyone had something negative to say about it without trying it they would be pretty stupid. My suggestion would be for any of you negative types that are against Hook Juice.....Dont buy it, but to sit there and be a keyboard warrior talking bad about something you know nothing about...makes you look like an idiot. I never used used Turbo tape, it sucks, its snake oil, not worth the 15 bucks a roll, it comes off easy...BUT I never used it...lol
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Amazon Ron
Your retort?
You know everything Luke said is true and you are selling shit in a bottle. I still love the name though......Wish it was a legit product.....
But C'mon Man it's HOOK JUICE :o :o :o
Lets All say it again HOOK JUICE :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Let's talk about this shall we? In the first video, the ball before hook juice struck, albeit not impressively. Then we "improve" the reaction with hook juice, and the ball goes through the face and gets 5. So 5 pins are better than 10?
Anyone who thinks extra hook or extra backend automatically makes the ball better is absolutely incorrect. It is entirely conditional, this is such an antiquated way of thinking when I used to have all kinds of people come in asking for the biggest hooking ball on the wall. It would be like playing a round of golf using your driver for every shot. "Well it hits the ball the furthest so it has to be the bestest!!"
Step 1: Buy the ball you need or want, make the appropriate cover adjustments to dial it in for you and the condition.
Step 2: Use a shammy, it prevents the vast majority of oil absorption, which is the factor that will make it lazy on the backend.
Step 3: Regularly clean your ball.
Step 4: If it loses reaction, give it an oil extraction, preferably a Detox, return surface to where you had it.
That is all. That is all that needs done if the ball loses reaction, it's not $200 for a new ball instead of $50 for hook juice like you claim, it's $50 or less for a Detox, a resurface, or both to get the ball back to where it was and where you need it via treatments that actually work and are completely transparent and understandable rather than $50 for some hocus pocus. Never in my life have I seen a concentrate solution that you need the whole 32 ounce bottle for. Simple Green you need like an ounce per gallon of water.
Furthermore, Ron claiming "well people don't read the label and we wanted to make sure people got the ratio right." Really? There are a lot of times people don't read the instructions, but you give somebody a bottle of something and tell them mix some of this with water and soak it, the VERY FIRST QUESTION THEY WILL ASK WILL BE, "oh, ok, well how much do I use?" With cleaner, it's always, "how much or how often?"
Hook Juice and the idea is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS, all it does is take advantage of the vast and myriad misconceptions in the bowling world to make a buck, that's all this is. There is no data provided, there is no measure of how much it "improves" performance, it's likely just a generic cleaner or a mixture of them with some food coloring with an extremely poor quality infomercial.
As long as I'm making money I'll spend it on whatever I want. I can buy 50 new balls if I wanted but I wanted to try the product. I have a snap lock didnt want to get rid of it so I saved it. I have a successful business selling on Amazon....hence the name. But I'm not dollar foolish, I can buy any ball but why throw away another 200 bucks? I "risked" a big 50...and it paid off. And before anyone asks, I dont sell bowling products on Amazon or anywhere else. I sell products and if anyone had something negative to say about it without trying it they would be pretty stupid. My suggestion would be for any of you negative types that are against Hook Juice.....Dont buy it, but to sit there and be a keyboard warrior talking bad about something you know nothing about...makes you look like an idiot. I never used used Turbo tape, it sucks, its snake oil, not worth the 15 bucks a roll, it comes off easy...BUT I never used it...lol
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so it is not a USBC legal product and I suggest no one buy any product from tht shitbag website, so disappointing, hope some real company comes up with a real product with the name at a reasonable price
But C'mon Man it's HOOK JUICE :o :o :o
Lets All say it again HOOK JUICE :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Amazon Ron
Your retort?
You know everything Luke said is true and you are selling shit in a bottle. I still love the name though......Wish it was a legit product.....
But C'mon Man it's HOOK JUICE :o :o :o
Lets All say it again HOOK JUICE :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Let's talk about this shall we? In the first video, the ball before hook juice struck, albeit not impressively. Then we "improve" the reaction with hook juice, and the ball goes through the face and gets 5. So 5 pins are better than 10?
Anyone who thinks extra hook or extra backend automatically makes the ball better is absolutely incorrect. It is entirely conditional, this is such an antiquated way of thinking when I used to have all kinds of people come in asking for the biggest hooking ball on the wall. It would be like playing a round of golf using your driver for every shot. "Well it hits the ball the furthest so it has to be the bestest!!"
Step 1: Buy the ball you need or want, make the appropriate cover adjustments to dial it in for you and the condition.
Step 2: Use a shammy, it prevents the vast majority of oil absorption, which is the factor that will make it lazy on the backend.
Step 3: Regularly clean your ball.
Step 4: If it loses reaction, give it an oil extraction, preferably a Detox, return surface to where you had it.
That is all. That is all that needs done if the ball loses reaction, it's not $200 for a new ball instead of $50 for hook juice like you claim, it's $50 or less for a Detox, a resurface, or both to get the ball back to where it was and where you need it via treatments that actually work and are completely transparent and understandable rather than $50 for some hocus pocus. Never in my life have I seen a concentrate solution that you need the whole 32 ounce bottle for. Simple Green you need like an ounce per gallon of water.
Furthermore, Ron claiming "well people don't read the label and we wanted to make sure people got the ratio right." Really? There are a lot of times people don't read the instructions, but you give somebody a bottle of something and tell them mix some of this with water and soak it, the VERY FIRST QUESTION THEY WILL ASK WILL BE, "oh, ok, well how much do I use?" With cleaner, it's always, "how much or how often?"
Hook Juice and the idea is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS, all it does is take advantage of the vast and myriad misconceptions in the bowling world to make a buck, that's all this is. There is no data provided, there is no measure of how much it "improves" performance, it's likely just a generic cleaner or a mixture of them with some food coloring with an extremely poor quality infomercial.
As long as I'm making money I'll spend it on whatever I want. I can buy 50 new balls if I wanted but I wanted to try the product. I have a snap lock didnt want to get rid of it so I saved it. I have a successful business selling on Amazon....hence the name. But I'm not dollar foolish, I can buy any ball but why throw away another 200 bucks? I "risked" a big 50...and it paid off. And before anyone asks, I dont sell bowling products on Amazon or anywhere else. I sell products and if anyone had something negative to say about it without trying it they would be pretty stupid. My suggestion would be for any of you negative types that are against Hook Juice.....Dont buy it, but to sit there and be a keyboard warrior talking bad about something you know nothing about...makes you look like an idiot. I never used used Turbo tape, it sucks, its snake oil, not worth the 15 bucks a roll, it comes off easy...BUT I never used it...lol
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Giddyidiot, my name is not Ron. But you are to stupid to understand that. If you dont want to buy it, dont buy it. You sound like a jealous moron. Do you even work? You seem to be on here often enough? Do you have a life outside of this forum or bowling? I doubt it. Get out of your moms basement! Get a job, get a life.
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"You seem to be on here often enough" isn't a question, is it?
Someone forget to slip the HOOK JUICE into your eggnog? Because if that is so, you should go buy a bottle and calm down. Lace that eggnog, BRUH!!
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*too *don't
"You seem to be on here often enough" isn't a question, is it?
Someone forget to slip the HOOK JUICE into your eggnog? Because if that is so, you should go buy a bottle and calm down. Lace that eggnog, BRUH!!
He also started a sentence with "But"......
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He also started a sentence with "But"......
Bcuz that is where his head is...............
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Grammer police are out. Idiots.
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It's a joke but you fools will fall for it.
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*too *don't
"You seem to be on here often enough" isn't a question, is it?
Someone forget to slip the HOOK JUICE into your eggnog? Because if that is so, you should go buy a bottle and calm down. Lace that eggnog, BRUH!!
He also started a sentence with "But"......
Only in Kentucky do they teach to never begin a sentence with a conjunction. :o ;D
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Look everyone amazon Ron is back!
Jealous of what? Of you? Why?
I try not to insult anyone on this site but Ron we all know it's you or why else would someone come on this site and defend the product so vehemently? No one has ever heard of it before this thread started and my guess is it's not selling too well. Happy Holidays!!
But C'mon Man it's HOOK JUICE :o :o :o
Lets All say it again HOOK JUICE :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Giddyidiot, my name is not Ron. But you are to stupid to understand that. If you dont want to buy it, dont buy it. You sound like a jealous moron. Do you even work? You seem to be on here often enough? Do you have a life outside of this forum or bowling? I doubt it. Get out of your moms basement! Get a job, get a life.
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giddyidiot, I'm sure hook juice is doing fine. If you want to think I'm Ron, fine, entertain yourself. I guess you didnt move out of the basement yet or get a job yet. Is this site your life? I can just picture you in real life, a guy who is a sniveling crybaby but once online he comes out all big talker. I bet youre from the San Francisco area and have a safe place and coloring books. Later jackass, I have work to do.
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Wow this turned into a good old time ballreviews thread.