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General Category => Drilling & Layouts => Topic started by: JamminJD on February 05, 2018, 02:55:47 PM
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Found this video this morning and found it very informative EBI explaining core values and how ball companies get those. He uses Blueprint which shows the values. Really cool stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXO1URXFrvE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXO1URXFrvE)
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It and the follow up on the Alias were interesting.
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so in theory the less diff a symmetrical core has the less asymmetrical it would become and vise versa up to a degree?
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It and the follow up on the Alias were interesting.
I meant to link that one also, but you are right that one was good too.
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I'm such a tech nerd that I love this type of stuff. Since I work in advertising, I love seeing the nuances in the different companies approaches to Marketing. Ebonite seems so tech/spec first in their approach, with Storm appealing more to the to the emotional/part of a club buyer, and Brunswick marketing more so based on reputation/legacy.
The one thing about spec/tech marketing is it's all based in the numbers which for me, I can "buy into it" a little bit more. To each it's own though. The Alias is a home run ball.
I remember doing that "symmetrical" layout on the OG Track Rising that I had with a 1" pin out. It rolled super heavy and I rarely had enough oil for it and definitely not enough hand/speed for it to make it work from deep inside. After seeing Matt Gasn's video for the Alias (3 layouts), it's the first ball in a loooooong time that I'm going to go out and pay retail price for.
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I'm such a tech nerd that I love this type of stuff. Since I work in advertising, I love seeing the nuances in the different companies approaches to Marketing. Ebonite seems so tech/spec first in their approach, with Storm appealing more to the to the emotional/part of a club buyer, and Brunswick marketing more so based on reputation/legacy.
The one thing about spec/tech marketing is it's all based in the numbers which for me, I can "buy into it" a little bit more. To each it's own though. The Alias is a home run ball.
I remember doing that "symmetrical" layout on the OG Track Rising that I had with a 1" pin out. It rolled super heavy and I rarely had enough oil for it and definitely not enough hand/speed for it to make it work from deep inside. After seeing Matt Gasn's video for the Alias (3 layouts), it's the first ball in a loooooong time that I'm going to go out and pay retail price for.
Agreed and Good points!
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I remember the #1 layout for The Rising was like the rico layout without the weight hole. Which was why they shot for shorter pins and lower top weights in that ball.
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I'm such a tech nerd that I love this type of stuff. Since I work in advertising, I love seeing the nuances in the different companies approaches to Marketing. Ebonite seems so tech/spec first in their approach, with Storm appealing more to the to the emotional/part of a club buyer, and Brunswick marketing more so based on reputation/legacy.
The one thing about spec/tech marketing is it's all based in the numbers which for me, I can "buy into it" a little bit more. To each it's own though. The Alias is a home run ball.
I remember doing that "symmetrical" layout on the OG Track Rising that I had with a 1" pin out. It rolled super heavy and I rarely had enough oil for it and definitely not enough hand/speed for it to make it work from deep inside. After seeing Matt Gasn's video for the Alias (3 layouts), it's the first ball in a loooooong time that I'm going to go out and pay retail price for.
update us on how it rolls. Have a Track staffer in my area that threw it for a whopping 580 2 weeks ago out of the box. ball went forever before moving. It was 2-10 and late 10 shot after shot. I do not think it was as much the ball as it was the bowler/layout. But he did not catch anyone's attention with the ball for sure.
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I have 2 Alias
I followed the video for layouts
I dont generally do well with high pin asymmetrics
We were on a 37" flatter pattern last week, took the symmetric and asymmetric ball surface to 4000 with my spinner and a water bottle
Proceeded to post 715 for 3 and 972 for 4 games with those 2 balls
Had a look nobody else had, absolutely destroyed the pocket all night
when put at OBB surface, they are plenty of ball which I dont see that much volume very often
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I have 2 Alias
I followed the video for layouts
I dont generally do well with high pin asymmetrics
We were on a 37" flatter pattern last week, took the symmetric and asymmetric ball surface to 4000 with my spinner and a water bottle
Proceeded to post 715 for 3 and 972 for 4 games with those 2 balls
Had a look nobody else had, absolutely destroyed the pocket all night
when put at OBB surface, they are plenty of ball which I dont see that much volume very often
Trying not to buy anything, but dang that Alias as well as Logix have me spinning the wrong way! Must resist!
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Trying not to buy anything, but dang that Alias as well as Logix have me spinning the wrong way! Must resist!
For me.....the Logix was a dud, I thought it was going to have some more pop downlane
While its a clean piece with predictable easy motion, my house jusr has enough volume to where it became something that I took out of my bag.
Its not that it was terrible, just not what I was expecting
if I had less volume and squeaky backends, then this would have been great
I really need equipment that reads the mids better and this wasn't it
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Trying not to buy anything, but dang that Alias as well as Logix have me spinning the wrong way! Must resist!
For me.....the Logix was a dud, I thought it was going to have some more pop downlane
While its a clean piece with predictable easy motion, my house jusr has enough volume to where it became something that I took out of my bag.
Its not that it was terrible, just not what I was expecting
if I had less volume and squeaky backends, then this would have been great
I really need equipment that reads the mids better and this wasn't it
So Logix is not as close to the Legion solid? For me the legion was a big backend solid. Well this is a little underwhelming to hear.
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My Legion solid is a big back end ball, this is not quite that unless there is defined friction. Frankly, the Gauntlet Fury is all that and more, best ball in my bag by far (unless the Rip'd is what they claim it is)
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My Legion solid is a big back end ball, this is not quite that unless there is defined friction. Frankly, the Gauntlet Fury is all that and more, best ball in my bag by far (unless the Rip'd is what they claim it is)
Dang. I really like the solid colors.. Hoping this ball would be like the solid, oh well..
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Cyborg pearl has more length and more backend than the Logix IMO
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Cyborg pearl has more length and more backend than the Logix IMO
Yeah. I really liked the cyborg pearl. Gave it to jr leaguer in need.
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Maybe it's just me but for the life of me why would you take a Track Alias $165 and put a weak symmetrical layout on it? Unless you got one cheap I can't see it. There are so many better options for a symmetrical smooth ball reaction at a better price point.
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Maybe it's just me but for the life of me why would you take a Track Alias $165 and put a weak symmetrical layout on it? Unless you got one cheap I can't see it. There are so many better options for a symmetrical smooth ball reaction at a better price point.
Oh I agree with that, the symmetrical drilling for this ball is not what I would want. Like you said at that price point you have cheaper options for sure.
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There is a companion video that was posted with the Track Presents Cores 101 video
Alias - An In-Depth Look at the Engineering and Principles Behind Track's Latest
Apparently the youtube comments on these videos have been deleted.
Take this for what you will, But here is one comment posted with this video that I happened to save that commented on why would you use the sym. layout on the alias:
Youtube comment by Jeff Piroozshad:
Track - thank you for this and the Cores video. They were very helpful in understanding these effects in more detail.
I do have one question regarding the Symmetric layout. Originally, I thought "why wouldn't you just drill a symmetric ball like a GB3 or a Fierce Phobia instead of jumping through the hoops to drill an Alias with the symmetric layout?"
I then remembered after watching the Cores 101 video it's because a symmetric ball will always be asymmetric after drilling, whereas the Alias will always be symmetric after drilling.
I was hoping you might be able to put up a video of the ball reaction difference between a symmetric Alias and a ball that's symmetric pre-drilling to illustrate the difference and show why a bowler should drill a symmetric Alias rather than a pre-drilling symmetric ball. Thank you.
This seems to address why also:
Tech Talk: Symmetrical Alias Layouts