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Title: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: bowler851 on February 13, 2018, 04:23:06 PM
Lefty here, and I'm so confused when I see all these dull hook monsters on the rack on league night, makes it easy to find my polished Pearl. Then hear all the right handers bitch about me, saying u have no one on your side, your shot dosn' t change ECT. Well if u right handers were not throwing sponges the first game u might have oil the second game.lol
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: HackJandy on February 13, 2018, 04:25:23 PM
Don't get too cocky.  As the US Open showed this year there is can be a good reason to learn to throw a back up ball at times and better hope that doesn't get in vogue. :)  That said all the more reason I enjoy my doubles league.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: bowler851 on February 13, 2018, 04:43:12 PM
Not being cocky, just saying maybe the reason I'm scoring and not u is because I'm not throwing the latest and greatest hook monster. Hay righies the Radical Cash is on clearance.lol
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: tkkshop on February 13, 2018, 06:24:55 PM
Do you avg 230+ on China with 7 bowlers throwing on your side? Or do you complain when you have 1 other bowler on your side?

We know the first one isn't true as there aren't that many lefties. As for the 2nd one, don't group me and I won't group you...
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: six pack on February 13, 2018, 06:52:42 PM
I hate wrongsider's but he dose make a good point.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: Steven on February 13, 2018, 06:56:29 PM
I hate wrongsider's but he dose make a good point.

 
What point is that??
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: HackJandy on February 13, 2018, 07:14:03 PM
Not being cocky, just saying maybe the reason I'm scoring and not u is because I'm not throwing the latest and greatest hook monster. Hay righies the Radical Cash is on clearance.lol

Actually the people throwing Sure Locks on THS don't tend to be the people on here.  Most of the people on here are the ones that shake their head at those people when they ignore the advise to pick up a Hy-Road instead.  Also watching three or more lefties bowl on the same pair tends to be pretty amusing.  At least one of them will usually freak out like a cat on a leash for the first time.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: DP3 on February 13, 2018, 07:26:25 PM
I can tell if it's going to be an easy night before the first practice shot is even thrown. When the other team pulls out stack leverage drilled asyms, I know they're going to strike all practice, the lanes transition in the 3rd frame first game, and they never put the ball down because they can't see that it's rolled out at 35 feet.

My team takes a big step left with something middle of the road and we win all of our points. Good post OP.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 14, 2018, 06:25:51 AM
Not being cocky, just saying maybe the reason I'm scoring and not u is because I'm not throwing the latest and greatest hook monster. Hay righies the Radical Cash is on clearance.lol

Actually the people throwing Sure Locks on THS don't tend to be the people on here.  Most of the people on here are the ones that shake their head at those people when they ignore the advise to pick up a Hy-Road instead.  Also watching three or more lefties bowl on the same pair tends to be pretty amusing.  At least one of them will usually freak out like a cat on a leash for the first time.

My Thursday team has 3 left handers on it (myself being one).  We bowl on a high friction surface, so I used to move in and bump off the 2 that play straighter lines, but now I toss a BooYah, so we're all playing on top of each other.

I don't see any issues, nor do I cry lol
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: Good Times Good Times on February 14, 2018, 07:46:11 AM
I can only speak for myself.....but I never am throwing more ball than my HyRoad, it's either a HyRoad at a lane shined 3000 or a polished Hectic.

The only time you really see me throwing a "dull hook monster" would be on a flatter pattern with some volume.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: Juggernaut on February 14, 2018, 08:34:34 AM
I’m a righty.

I would LOVE to see a condition where some of these “hook monsters” were needed.

 Everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY, that throws resin here, has polish on it, by necessity.

 Using a freshly polished Hyroad last week, I still had to play deep enough that I ended up the night bumped up against the ball return.

 The only people able to keep their angles in front of them are using urethane or polyester.

 It is just beyond me to understand how there are people who actually need that much friction to get the ball to read the pattern. I see it on tv sometimes, but I haven’t seen it in person for over 20 years. Seriously.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: LookingForALeftyWall on February 14, 2018, 09:01:51 AM
Other than the lefty on my team who likes to use a high end hook monster, I just don't see anyone else doing so in the league I bowl in weekly.  I also don't see it in the UBA.  The PSOs in my area do a very good job of steering league bowlers to the right equipment.

However, I did see quite a few Sure Locks bowling on WTBA Mexico City this past week.  It's as if a call was made to "UNLEASH THE KRAKEN!".
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: tkkshop on February 14, 2018, 09:08:56 AM
We have enough volume in our area at one house. Our leadoff bowler is a 225+ avg bowler. He throws a Sure Lock game 1 and 2, then Hyper Cell or Marvel Pearl game 3. 3rd bowler is a 2 handed left throwing a Ghost/SS games 1-2, then Primal Fear game 3. I start with either a Sigma Tour or Sting game 1, then I jump in with a Quest or Paranoia early in game 2. We all 3 avg 225 plus in the league and are currently in first. Lefty is high avg at 230 and I am 2nd high avg at 227. The league is 27x4 and has 2 EBI staffers, 2 Storm staffer and 1 Brunswick staffer. 3 of the staffers are on through shops, 2 are legit staffers. I welcome the sponges up the track area. Free bounce by game 2 for me and the other team cant figure out what to do as they cant move past the 3rd arrow.

/FIGJAM


LeftyWall, I see sponges all the time in the UBA in my district. My last stop, guy on our pair was throwing a No Rules Exist at 500 grit, yes 500! Dude didn't have a clue.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: Good Times Good Times on February 14, 2018, 10:34:23 AM
I welcome the sponges up the track area. Free bounce by game 2 for me and the other team cant figure out what to do as they cant move past the 3rd arrow.

^^^^^^ This!
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: northface28 on February 14, 2018, 01:45:49 PM
We have enough volume in our area at one house. Our leadoff bowler is a 225+ avg bowler. He throws a Sure Lock game 1 and 2, then Hyper Cell or Marvel Pearl game 3. 3rd bowler is a 2 handed left throwing a Ghost/SS games 1-2, then Primal Fear game 3. I start with either a Sigma Tour or Sting game 1, then I jump in with a Quest or Paranoia early in game 2. We all 3 avg 225 plus in the league and are currently in first. Lefty is high avg at 230 and I am 2nd high avg at 227. The league is 27x4 and has 2 EBI staffers, 2 Storm staffer and 1 Brunswick staffer. 3 of the staffers are on through shops, 2 are legit staffers. I welcome the sponges up the track area. Free bounce by game 2 for me and the other team cant figure out what to do as they cant move past the 3rd arrow.

/FIGJAM


LeftyWall, I see sponges all the time in the UBA in my district. My last stop, guy on our pair was throwing a No Rules Exist at 500 grit, yes 500! Dude didn't have a clue.

Even in 2018, with the wealth of knowledge out there, the prevailing notion that dull = hook is still out there. 500 grit dont hook? Im going to proshop and taking it down to 360. I do not miss house leagues at all.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: Impending Doom on February 14, 2018, 02:02:02 PM
I honestly haven't taken a ball below 1000 in over 20 years. In my time in the shop, I had one guy that I would take a green scotch Brite with clean n dull to his ball. He wanted no jump at all. Nothing other than that.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: AlonzoHarris on February 14, 2018, 02:03:39 PM
We have enough volume in our area at one house. Our leadoff bowler is a 225+ avg bowler. He throws a Sure Lock game 1 and 2, then Hyper Cell or Marvel Pearl game 3. 3rd bowler is a 2 handed left throwing a Ghost/SS games 1-2, then Primal Fear game 3. I start with either a Sigma Tour or Sting game 1, then I jump in with a Quest or Paranoia early in game 2. We all 3 avg 225 plus in the league and are currently in first. Lefty is high avg at 230 and I am 2nd high avg at 227. The league is 27x4 and has 2 EBI staffers, 2 Storm staffer and 1 Brunswick staffer. 3 of the staffers are on through shops, 2 are legit staffers. I welcome the sponges up the track area. Free bounce by game 2 for me and the other team cant figure out what to do as they cant move past the 3rd arrow.

/FIGJAM


LeftyWall, I see sponges all the time in the UBA in my district. My last stop, guy on our pair was throwing a No Rules Exist at 500 grit, yes 500! Dude didn't have a clue.

Even in 2018, with the wealth of knowledge out there, the prevailing notion that dull = hook is still out there. 500 grit dont hook? Im going to proshop and taking it down to 360. I do not miss house leagues at all.

Those moments translate into them standing at the foul line afterwards questioning Jesus why the ball rolled out. Gives me a good laugh at least.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: Impending Doom on February 14, 2018, 02:12:54 PM
We have enough volume in our area at one house. Our leadoff bowler is a 225+ avg bowler. He throws a Sure Lock game 1 and 2, then Hyper Cell or Marvel Pearl game 3. 3rd bowler is a 2 handed left throwing a Ghost/SS games 1-2, then Primal Fear game 3. I start with either a Sigma Tour or Sting game 1, then I jump in with a Quest or Paranoia early in game 2. We all 3 avg 225 plus in the league and are currently in first. Lefty is high avg at 230 and I am 2nd high avg at 227. The league is 27x4 and has 2 EBI staffers, 2 Storm staffer and 1 Brunswick staffer. 3 of the staffers are on through shops, 2 are legit staffers. I welcome the sponges up the track area. Free bounce by game 2 for me and the other team cant figure out what to do as they cant move past the 3rd arrow.

/FIGJAM


LeftyWall, I see sponges all the time in the UBA in my district. My last stop, guy on our pair was throwing a No Rules Exist at 500 grit, yes 500! Dude didn't have a clue.

Even in 2018, with the wealth of knowledge out there, the prevailing notion that dull = hook is still out there. 500 grit dont hook? Im going to proshop and taking it down to 360. I do not miss house leagues at all.

Those moments translate into them standing at the foul line afterwards questioning Jesus why the ball rolled out. Gives me a good laugh at least.

People throwing 500 grit can't see their ball roll.oit. it's puked in their back swing.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: LookingForALeftyWall on February 14, 2018, 02:25:45 PM
Everyone wants to bash surface but I'll playing devil's advocate here:

If you've got a house shot with a severe cliff between puddle in the middle and dry on the outside, MOAR surface is a solution.  Pull it into the puddle, and the ball will transition effectively into a roll with MOAR surface.  Throw it out to the dry, the ball with MOAR surface will bleed energy and won't overreact - no ugly split.

Sometimes, MOAR surface is the answer if you can effectively find the cliffed spot and open your angles a bit.

With that said though, MOAR surface is not the answer to well blended house shots.

The end.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: HankScorpio on February 14, 2018, 02:25:54 PM
Personally, I'm all for high end asyms on some of the house shots around here. Many of the house shots in this area have a pretty high volume in the puddle and little on the outside. Very much an overwalled house shot. A sanded asym lets me get into the oil and control the snap on misses out. The misses out will burn up and leave corners, but that beats the hell out of a split.

My best look is typically still with solid syms (IQ Tour Solid is a great reaction), but they can often be too weak to turn the corner if I'm forced more into the puddle. My Gauntlet has been getting a lot of use in that situation this year. Trying to use a No Rules Pearl in that situation is usually massive overhook on misses out, but balling down to a Hyroad Pearl is an instant wash out if I miss in. Controlling the over/under is at a premium.

I'm about 18-19 MPH, 450 rpm.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: HankScorpio on February 14, 2018, 02:26:52 PM
Everyone wants to bash surface but I'll playing devil's advocate here:

If you've got a house shot with a severe cliff between puddle in the middle and dry on the outside, MOAR surface is a solution.  Pull it into the puddle, and the ball will transition effectively into a roll with MOAR surface.  Throw it out to the dry, the ball with MOAR surface will bleed energy and won't overreact - no ugly split.

Sometimes, MOAR surface is the answer if you can effectively find the cliffed spot and open you're angles a bit.

With that said though, MOAR surface is not the answer to well blended house shots.

The end.

Beat me to the punch.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: Good Times Good Times on February 14, 2018, 03:10:32 PM
No one is "bashing surface"........it's insane to be throwing 360 grit, oiler/moon rocks.  I even stated that I use a HyRoad at 3000 (which IS surface).

One local synthetic house has a tougher pattern that has a high volume in the middle and cacti growing outside of 8 (the "cliff"), ultra wet/dry......I couldn't imagine needing more than a medium solid ball (RocketShip) in my case at more than 2000 grit. 

The lolz are directed towards the 500 grit Radical Guru Master in league.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: bowler851 on February 14, 2018, 04:38:14 PM
Do you avg 230+ on China with 7 bowlers throwing on your side? Or do you complain when you have 1 other bowler on your side?

We know the first one isn't true as there aren't that many lefties. As for the 2nd one, don't group me and I won't group you...
U sound like the bowler who brings in 6 balls to league night.lol
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: Steven on February 14, 2018, 05:09:09 PM
No one is "bashing surface"........it's insane to be throwing 360 grit, oiler/moon rocks.  I even stated that I use a HyRoad at 3000 (which IS surface).

One local synthetic house has a tougher pattern that has a high volume in the middle and cacti growing outside of 8 (the "cliff"), ultra wet/dry......I couldn't imagine needing more than a medium solid ball (RocketShip) in my case at more than 2000 grit. 

The lolz are directed towards the 500 grit Radical Guru Master in league.

 
I tend to agree with this. Last year in one league I bowled a fresh higher volume THS. The other THS league was second shift that played like an unpredictable obstacle course. The most aggressive ball I used in either THS was a strong pearl asymmetric, my Radical Guru Limited, and that didn't happen very often. 
 
The high end solids with surface stayed in my bag for my Sport Shot league and PBA events, and then only for patterns 42' and longer. Unless you have a tremendous amount of speed or abnormal revs, I can't see where the high end balls with surface provide any advantage.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: tgknukem on February 14, 2018, 05:15:25 PM
Here's the reason I use the 'sponge.'  SHOT: High street, 11:1 ratio, heavy oil at 20' is on 10 board, outside of that is buff out.  Heavy oil at 35' end of pattern is at 13 board, outside of that is buff out.  Now assume 9 righties and one lefty.  In three games the lefty floats 15ish shot per game with a pearl into the buff out.  With 9 righties on that same line 15 shots are rolled into the buff out before the first game is half over and by the end of the first game there is nothing left out there but flat dry lane that the ball either leaps left or burns up in.  If I start a pearl on the 12 board instead to begin with, never letting it get outside the 9 board it hits flat and leaves 10 pins or pocket 7-10's because there is 11 times more oil on that line, so I use a 'sponge' so I can carry better.  Good righties even have to guess two or three times a night on when to move so they don't go thru the nose out of the blue.  After a game or two I may be able to go to a more polished ball and bump it off that original line, and usually by the middle of the third game I have to keep it inside the 12 board because everything outside if that is flat and dry.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: tkkshop on February 14, 2018, 05:31:41 PM
Do you avg 230+ on China with 7 bowlers throwing on your side? Or do you complain when you have 1 other bowler on your side?

We know the first one isn't true as there aren't that many lefties. As for the 2nd one, don't group me and I won't group you...
U sound like the bowler who brings in 6 balls to league night.lol
3 and a plastic.... and never the same 3 every week. I always rotate a new ball in for fun to make the night a challenge.

Our house shot is High Street as well.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: BeerLeague on February 15, 2018, 07:34:30 AM
With some of the monster wall shots being put out combined with the new oils, as a righty with any bit of hand, you NEED surface. 

Without it, the over/under is unplayable unless you want to get right and throw heaters.  Combine that with the type of bowlers encountered in a recreational league (stand left - throw right - pray) and you don't have much options.  The heater approach works great if you can carry and are not forced to move into the wasterland where the two handed, thumbless wonders have been since shadow balls.

 
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: northface28 on February 15, 2018, 10:53:25 AM
This guy rags on people who use surface.....if you bowl on anything cliffed and majority of House shots are, you need surface. Not for hook, rather to get the ball to slow down. I laugh at the people using box shine on house, these are the same donkeys complaining about “over/under”.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: bowler851 on February 15, 2018, 11:40:49 AM
This guy rags on people who use surface.....if you bowl on anything cliffed and majority of House shots are, you need surface. Not for hook, rather to get the ball to slow down. I laugh at the people using box shine on house, these are the same donkeys complaining about “over/under”.
Did U read original post, use all the surface u want, use up the lane oil in one game, I don't care, but don't bitch then when I beat u every night
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: SVstar34 on February 15, 2018, 11:51:38 AM
This guy rags on people who use surface.....if you bowl on anything cliffed and majority of House shots are, you need surface. Not for hook, rather to get the ball to slow down. I laugh at the people using box shine on house, these are the same donkeys complaining about “over/under”.
Did U read original post, use all the surface u want, use up the lane oil in one game, I don't care, but don't bitch then when I beat u every night

Why so hostile? Not one dull hook monster on our pair for our men's league last night and we experienced a lot of transition. Like what has been said above, 2000 or 3000 on a weaker ball can make a huge difference on cliffed house shots where polish can potentially put you in over/under.

You're a lefty, you don't see the same thing often
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: tkkshop on February 15, 2018, 11:59:35 AM
This guy rags on people who use surface.....if you bowl on anything cliffed and majority of House shots are, you need surface. Not for hook, rather to get the ball to slow down. I laugh at the people using box shine on house, these are the same donkeys complaining about “over/under”.
Did U read original post, use all the surface u want, use up the lane oil in one game, I don't care, but don't bitch then when I beat u every night
No, we are right handed. We can't read and complain every week.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: bowler851 on February 15, 2018, 12:32:13 PM
This guy rags on people who use surface.....if you bowl on anything cliffed and majority of House shots are, you need surface. Not for hook, rather to get the ball to slow down. I laugh at the people using box shine on house, these are the same donkeys complaining about “over/under”.
Did U read original post, use all the surface u want, use up the lane oil in one game, I don't care, but don't bitch then when I beat u every night
No, we are right handed. We can't read and complain every week.
that is obvious
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: tgknukem on February 15, 2018, 03:16:06 PM
Here's what were saying:  Put 9 lefties on your line with your pearl floated into the buff out and by the end of the first game you'll be going washout/split, washout/split.  The second game you'll have to move inside of second arrow with your pearl 'cuz that's all you brought and you'll go ten pin/7-10, ten pin/7-9.  The next week you'll show up with a dull oiler rolling it end over end keeping it inside of the 10 board 'cuz you'll get tired of averaging 185.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: Steven on February 15, 2018, 03:31:11 PM
Here's what were saying:  Put 9 lefties on your line with your pearl floated into the buff out and by the end of the first game you'll be going washout/split, washout/split.  The second game you'll have to move inside of second arrow with your pearl 'cuz that's all you brought and you'll go ten pin/7-10, ten pin/7-9.  The next week you'll show up with a dull oiler rolling it end over end keeping it inside of the 10 board 'cuz you'll get tired of averaging 185.

 
There isn't just one right answer. There is no such thing as a common THS. The surfaces we play on can be vastly different. We have different rev rates and styles. 
 
However, on most THS shots, there is an oil line that defines the wet/dry. If you learn to play directly inside that line, regardless of where it is, you can effectively play straighter with a weaker ball than using a dull oiler, where you're gradually forced to the extreme left, and have to cover a lot of boards.
 
However, sometimes aggressive balls with a surface is the answer. That's why it's always a good idea to bring at least one ball at each of the two extremes.
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Post by: HackJandy on February 15, 2018, 04:53:10 PM
Good pointers on here but the OP proves plenty of left handed trolls as well.  You win all the trophies and I am so proud of you.  You are so wise.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: Good Times Good Times on February 16, 2018, 08:55:46 AM
I might just say "**** it and throw a 360 grit Alpha Crux tonight....."  :P  :P
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: Strapper_Squared on February 16, 2018, 08:57:39 AM
Personal experience only... I'm righty.  Bowl on 5 man team, on higher friction surfaces with a medium volume easy house shot.  I average around 215.   My league has maybe 10 lefties out of 90 bowlers.  That's about 1.1 per pair on average.  On weeks when I am travelling for work, the league allows me to prebowl, usually on Sunday mornings.  I call ahead to notify and they put down a fresh shot for me.  When I bowl alone on a fresh pair (granted this is on 18 games), I'm averaging 233.  Why?  Well, over the course of 3 games when I bowl by myself, I generally have to move 2 to 3 boards left over 3 games.  I'm not changing angles, not changing breakpoint...if I miss the pocket, I just threw an awful shot.  That's the truth.  If spare shooting was a little better I'd average 250+.
On a regular league night with 9 righties on the pair, I generally adjust 3/2 between frames 1 and 4, another 3/2  through game 1.  In game 2 when transition really hits, I generally jump another board left every other frame through the end of the game.  Usually, I have changed angles.so much that either I need to be very accurate with shots OR, it's 10 pin, 2-8-10, or 4 pin.  Ball change and who knows what happens.  By game 3, I'm usually 15 to 20 boards left, playing a completely different part of the lane, fighting over reaction.  The lone lefty is still playing up 10, wiping oil rings off his ball each frame.

There is a clear advantage, just from the traffic point of view.  Also, related to traffic is lane surface.  Pristine lane surface gives better, more consistent reaction. 

Argue what you like... Don't know how to play the lanes, whatever.  When you can stand in the same spot and throw in the same zone, over the course of the night, you are at a clear advantage.

My dream is to one night show up and find out that there are 9 lefties on my pair 😀.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: JazlarVonSteich on February 16, 2018, 09:02:08 AM
This guy rags on people who use surface.....if you bowl on anything cliffed and majority of House shots are, you need surface. Not for hook, rather to get the ball to slow down. I laugh at the people using box shine on house, these are the same donkeys complaining about “over/under”.

I agree with this. Lately, our house shot was playing so less surface was working good enough. Then this week we have been getting a lot of over/under. Last night I decided to throw my hot cell. Hit it by hand before league with 500 and a light 2000. Ended up controlling the over/under quite well. In fact, I shot my first 300/800.

Came very close a week ago Monday with 299/798 with my Trick (again with surface) after starting the night with the Fused. Who knows what I would have shot if I had used the Trick all night. Didn't switch until the 8th of the first game after missing a spare. Then went 26 of 28 for 286, 299.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: LookingForALeftyWall on February 16, 2018, 09:05:24 AM
Personal experience only... I'm righty.  Bowl on 5 man team, on higher friction surfaces with a medium volume easy house shot.  I average around 215.   My league has maybe 10 lefties out of 90 bowlers.  That's about 1.1 per pair on average.  On weeks when I am travelling for work, the league allows me to prebowl, usually on Sunday mornings.  I call ahead to notify and they put down a fresh shot for me.  When I bowl alone on a fresh pair (granted this is on 18 games), I'm averaging 233.

When I bowl alone, I average higher too.  It's not just about same-side traffic and adjustments.  When bowling alone, the rhythm and cadence of throwing shots is better - there are less distractions.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: Strapper_Squared on February 16, 2018, 10:16:29 AM
^^^. Agree with that as well.  Faster pace - easier to get into a rhythm.
Title: Re: I'd like to thank all u ball companies for marketing all those high end solids
Post by: HackJandy on February 16, 2018, 09:24:48 PM
This guy rags on people who use surface.....if you bowl on anything cliffed and majority of House shots are, you need surface. Not for hook, rather to get the ball to slow down. I laugh at the people using box shine on house, these are the same donkeys complaining about “over/under”.

I agree with this. Lately, our house shot was playing so less surface was working good enough. Then this week we have been getting a lot of over/under. Last night I decided to throw my hot cell. Hit it by hand before league with 500 and a light 2000. Ended up controlling the over/under quite well. In fact, I shot my first 300/800.

Came very close a week ago Monday with 299/798 with my Trick (again with surface) after starting the night with the Fused. Who knows what I would have shot if I had used the Trick all night. Didn't switch until the 8th of the first game after missing a spare. Then went 26 of 28 for 286, 299.

Wow 300 with urethane, solid.  Gratz.