Post by: admin on December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM
Coverstock: Pearlized Big WheelTM Reactive Resin
Box Finish: 800 grit sanded, then factory polished
Color: Neon Blue/Neon Green
Core: Propeller Core, Asymmetric Design
PSA Location: 6-3/4" from pin
Mass Bias Strength: .004
Flare Potential: 6"+
Length: 16.80 (Ebonite’s scale of 1-30, early to late)
Overall Hook: 20.30 (Ebonite’s scale of 1-30, least to most)
Breakpoint Angle: 9.30 (Ebonite’s scale of 1-10, most smooth to most angular)
Best Lane Condition: Light to medium oil
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Post by: Garcia on September 06, 2002, 03:51:30 PM
There are no words to describe this ball. It is by far the best ball I've thrown since the original Vortex 2 solid. Imagine the heavy roll of the Apex Reflex with much more continuation. An absolute machine, carries better than anything I've thrown. This years "cheater" ball. Drilled pin above ring finger, bomb 3" right of thumb, weight hole on PAP.
The ease thru the fronts, good read in the middle, continuous backend reaction is everything you could ask for in a bowling ball. A little scrotch brite applied to the cover will make this ball the strongest in the Ebonite line.
Probably the most impressive Ebonite ball I've ever thrown.
Xeno Garcia
Ebonite Regional Staff
PS. This ball has really high flare potential, so drilling patterns will make a big difference in how this ball reacts. I drilled mine farely strong, and it shows no sign of burning up early.
Post by: Jeff Mop on September 08, 2002, 06:13:56 PM
Bowled with one for 2 hours on Twister pins and left 2 10-pins...that's all...two.
Gotta get your hands on one of these for sure.
JP
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Post by: BuddiesProShopcom - Bill on September 14, 2002, 12:28:31 PM
We laid the ball with the pin 4" from his axis and the PSA 1 3/4" from Vertical Axis Line.
The bowler used this ball on a 2nd shift with dry outside 7 and heavy oil inside.
The Warrior was great for reving up in the front part of the lane, and then reading the dry, and giving a smooth/strong move to the pocket.
This ball will be the choice when bowling on over/under type shots, or those tricky sport conditions where there is a lot of dry boards. The ball is able to make a strong move to the pocket but still having great hit a the pocket.
I was very impressed watching this ball carry the corners. The bowler was able to average 250 with it for 3 games, and we both said that it was able to get the corner out better than other balls that he has thrown on this type of shot.
If you have any questions, please email me at Bill@BuddiesProShop.com
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Post by: dreamer on September 19, 2002, 09:46:53 PM
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Post by: Tex on September 24, 2002, 08:47:25 PM
So far have used the ball on wood lanes, heavy oil to 45 feet. This gives a strong skid flip that provides devastating pin action. I also used it on a 40 foot blend for travel league and got a little more arc, which with the 5 foot shorter pattern was expected. There was no loss of power all the way into the fifth game, where I managed nine in a row. They call this a pearl, but have had more than one argument on that,due to its ability to handle heavier oil. This is an excellent ball and would strongly recommend it for your arsenal.
Post by: JOE FALCO on October 13, 2002, 02:17:47 PM
The EBONITE WARRIOR is a tremendous ball. I've had it for about 5 weeks and although I bowl four leagues a week, I haven't used it on all conditions. I've used it mainly on oil (medium to heavy) and have excellent results. Although I bowl in one house with WOOD lanes I have not used this ball. In that particular house I've been sucessful with the BUZZSAW, so I have not strayed from that.
With the WARRIOR I need only get close to the pocket (high or low) and the pins fly around. I lost a number of great games missing 10 pins. My problem was missing on the gutter side. I have now mastered that with the ball and hopefully I'll get those BIG game opportunities again.
Love the ball .. put it up there with my ICON/BUZZSAW and RED FUZE. I guess the manufactures have finally hit on something that helps the bowlers and doesn't die after 50 - 100 games.
Post by: Jace Peterson on October 16, 2002, 06:26:16 PM
I used my TPC on a wall once in couples league. I had a good reaction playing in so I didn't hit the dry too soon. This ball arrives with plenty of hit left to throw the pins around.
A long and late ball with a very user friendly breakpoint. This is a great combonation for me.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on January 07, 2003, 12:06:43 AM
I have considered playing with the cover a bit, just to see how it will work, not have not done so.
I give the Warrior an 8 out of 10, because it does what it was intended to do, but so far is not very versitile.
Post by: James Campbell on February 14, 2003, 08:30:45 PM
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Post by: CoachJim on February 22, 2003, 06:31:33 AM
Ball's specs, 15lb. 3 oz. top weight 3" pin drilled 4x4 weight hole on Pap.
This ball is one of those balls that seems to have a nose for the pocket. If you are bowling on a medium to light oil pattern and don't have one of these you are at a dissadvantage. I really have to make a bad shot to miss the pocket with this ball. It hits very hard, as long as there is not too much oil for it.
The house I bowl in is usually flooded, so I don't get to bowl with it very often, however I bowled in a clinic at a different house, last week and bowled over 50 games with it on different shots, all medium to short sport patterns and this ball never left my hands even when the lanes started to get very dry.
This will be the first ball out of the bag at Knoxville, unless they turn up the oil.
Overall you can get away with using stronger drill patterns than you normally do. A friend of mine who really revs the ball up, and doesn't have as much ball speed as I do, drilled one up and wished he had used a stronger drilling. He drilled his 2x5.
Post by: dime on February 22, 2003, 07:43:38 PM
Post by: Jim Lewis on February 23, 2003, 07:27:20 PM
I drilled 2 TPC Warrior's. One was drilled with a 5 1/2 by 3 3/8 layout with a 70 degree PSA. The second was drilled with a 4 by 2 1/2 layout with a 70 degree PSA. Both balls had balance holes in my PAP and were left in the box condition.
The Warrior with the 5 1/2 inch layout was nice from inside angles and allowed me to play the lanes with a softer speed than other stronger pieces. The Warrior with the 4 inch layout worked more effectively from the track area and to the outside. Both balls were breaking farther down the lane but with a predictable kind of roll than I expected in comparison to Matrix's. One warning the Pearl Big Wheel coverstock does not like carry down in the box condition. I was bowling on Pro-Anvil Synthetic surface with a medium distance condition in a late shift league. Altering the surface did make the breakpoint a bit earlier on the lane, however this ball is intended to work well on high friction patterns, not carrydown.
The TPC Warrior is definitely a tournament player's ball and anyone who is participating regularly in tournaments should check out this ball and the TPC line in general.
Jim Lewis
Ebonite Regional Staff
Post by: TimPenner on February 24, 2003, 11:57:26 AM
Where it hooks depends on your drilling. I have mine stacked with the pin in the bridge. I find it plays the best with Ebonite Matte Finish Polish, which will make it read the midlane a little more consistant. This ball might fare well when you are having a hard time getting it to turn the corner on carried down sport patterns.
Benefit -- using it for the slow loop
Drawback -- may not be able to use it to play the tube on most house conditions.
<>< The TPC Line Strikes Again ><>
Tim Penner
Ebonite Regional Staff
Midwest Region
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Post by: Tony Glickley on February 25, 2003, 10:01:24 PM
The TPC series features a new propeller core. This core is the dominate control of this series. The Warrior has the pearl Big Wheel Shell. The shell gives you all the length and snap one could ever ask for. The core can be set to turn the corner, or to be as smooth as you would like.
I drilled mine with the pin at 5-1/2" from my axis, the PSA 1" right of my thumb or strong. As you put the PSA closer to your axis point, you arrive with more length and more shallow break.
This layout that I used goes straight as a string, and then looks like someone kicked it sideways. I keep this ball in my bag for getting inside 4th arrow, or rainbow the whole lane on a house wall.
This core has the flexibility that Ebonite shells have. Dial in as much hook as you can handle!
Tony Glickley
Ebonite Amateur Staff
Bowl to Win!
Post by: Tony Glickley on February 27, 2003, 10:30:53 AM
I drilled mine with the pin under my ring finger and putting the PSA at a 45% angle from the pin. As you put the PSA closer to your axis point, you will achieve more length and stability.
I can use this ball and layout on a lot of different lane conditions. This ball reads the midlane better than any ball I've ever had. This ones a keeper!
The core in the TPC series requires some knowledge of what you want your ball to do BEFORE you drill holes in it. Weight holes can help tone the reaction down. Layouts without weight holes that hit the core will give you an Asymmetrical reaction. I have found that drilling a small hole deep and hitting the core will stabilize the core, giving it a more symmetric reaction. Always ask a trained and experienced ball driller about the reaction you are looking for.
Tony Glickley
Ebonite amateur Staff
Bowl to Win!
Post by: MarkJohnson on March 06, 2003, 12:34:31 PM
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Post by: DrThumb on March 06, 2003, 01:08:38 PM
SCOUTS
The Warrior gets down the lane and HITS. It slaps out tens that I never thought would carry.
I have 2 Warriors. One with the pin under the ring finger and one with the pin over the ring finger. Under the ring produces a smoother finish on the ball and above the ring provides a much more angular entry to the pocket.
Both of these balls will be beneficial to someone that is rotationally challenged.
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Post by: WarriorBowl2Much on May 20, 2003, 09:23:14 PM
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Post by: Sniper206 on June 24, 2003, 07:09:39 PM
I drilled up a Warrior last week. I put the pin 1 inch above and between my bridge and ring finger, CG 1 inch below and out under ring and the psa is right on my thumb just off to the right. I wanted something to go about 45-50 feet without over hooking of the dry. This ball is it. I threw it last night and it went about 45 feet and just tipped at the end towards the pocket and crushed the rack.. The hitting power is a little less then what I was expecting, but with a layout like I have, I can't complain. This is going to be the ball of choice on short patterns along with my Blade solid, Ti Pearl b/s/p, and Sonic X.
control- 9
versatility- 8
hook- 8.5
I'll give the warrior an 8.5
todd
Post by: loose5682 on July 07, 2003, 03:26:16 PM
Comments on my game are in my profile, ball is drilled with Pin directly under ring finger and CG directly under that, above the thumb, and two inches away from Pin. The ball does get down the lane fairly nicely (as it should for having the Big Daddy Pearl coverstock) but it's movement on the backends leaves MUCH to be desired. On oil it doesn't seem to grab well at all and mostly hydroplanes and hits like a marshmallow. On dry there doesn't seem to be enough to get it down the lane before making its move, causing it to roll out and hit like a tricycle. The only lane condition I have really had any success on (albeit very little success) is flooded heads and TOASTED backends. The ball seems to glide through the heads very nicely and makes a sharp left turn when it hits the dry, the problem with that is it seems to make too sharp of a turn causing me to leave splits all day.
Overall this ball from what I have witnessed is a good ball, but from what I have experienced myself is it's just not the ball for me.
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Post by: DaKardG on July 07, 2003, 11:52:21 PM
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Post by: WAYouthBowler on October 27, 2003, 04:27:40 AM
3 oz. top weight.
Drilled 12:00 with the CG right underneath my bridge. Polished to 2000 and finished with a coat of Elixir.
I bought this, and had it drilled, to be a snapping monster. I wanted maximum push with a strong flip and continuation. Will instead I got good length coupled with a lot of roll.
I can play almost any condition with this ball, and it will be predictable no matter what. While it does make a move, it's no where near as sharp as I expected, but this is by no means a bad thing. This ball sets up in the pocket, and does keep the pins low. The carry percentage is fairly high, but you don't see many messengers and you don't get a very rewarding crack at the pocket like you might expect.
Right now my warrior is my go-to ball when nothing else seems to be working, and I usually seem to pull my way out of a hole with it.
Good ball, but not truly great, equipment like this has existed before.
6/10
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Post by: bowler851 on November 15, 2003, 01:46:32 AM
purchased this ball about 2 months ago off ebay and i would have to say this is the best ebonite ball since the red wolf pearl. i love this ball, i am left handed and i dont like to cover alot of boards and no matter if the lanes are flooded or dry this is the ball! I stand normally 25 and hit 7 or 8 board. This is the benchmark I adjust off of this. This ball hits like a truck and is very predictible. When I miss it outside it comes back, when I pull it, it sits. I shot my last 800 with the Red Wolf; I see another with this ball. I own my own ball spinner and I polished this ball with 2000 grit, and it is just amazing. I would recommend for anyone with medium to slow ball speed that does not want to move inside 2nd arrow- this is the ball!
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Post by: mr845 on December 29, 2005, 10:12:26 PM
1st ball was drilled 5x3 with no weight hole
This ball was a serious skid flip ball for me. It was best suited for house condtions for me.It was too overreactive on most tougher tournament conditions and sport conditions, but it was incredible on the right condition.
2nd ball drilled 6x4 no extra hole
This ball is much more versatile for me I am able to use it much more often than my first one.This ball is much smoother and more predictable than the first.It still gets great length but doesnt flip as hard.It gets into a very strong roll and the hit is excellent.
Overall I liked both balls alot, but the second is a much better match for my game.
The only problem is that they are discontinued so finding a NIB is next to impossible.
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Post by: DP3 on July 18, 2006, 10:28:08 PM
My first Warrior is layed out with a 4" pin to PAP placement, a 6" MB to PAP placement and a 57/64" weighthole drilled 2 1/2 inches deep on the PAP. Pin height is 2 1/2" above the midline. Starting topweight was 3oz. Ball is at 800 grit.
I have about 40 games on this Warrior. I chose to keep it dull because with my speed to rev-rotation ratio I need an earlier read because shooting the ball through the breakpoint is a problem for me. Combined with an 800 surface grit, this Warrior gives me an early read with a smooth aggressive arc through the pocket. I love using this in heavier fresh oils on more demanding conditions when free hook isn't available. The low surface grit allows me to scribe a hook to the pocket while playing direct and after a game or two I have burned myself some free swing area in the midlanes. This ball has also become my "get out of jail free card" when I am clueless to how to play the lanes. Off the ditch with this piece gives me a great look and roll on a variety of conditions and surfaces. The only problem is, too much dry will make this ball finish very weak. That's usually my cue to go to Warrior #2.
My second Warrior is drilled with a drilling I saw on BrunswickInsiders.com that Tommy Jones and Patrick Allen used a majority of last season while throwing The One. It is a pin placement of 5 1/2 inches to the PAP, with a pin height above the midline of 5 INCHES! a Long pin was required for this layout so I went with a 4 1/2" pin out. The MB was kept 1" below the midline(3 3/8ths from my PAP) and a 1" weighthole 3 1/4 inches deep was needed in the finger quadrant to give it a more forward roll motion off the breakpoint and to keep it within legal specs. The ball was kept in it's OOB polish. I have around 30 games on this ball.
From looking at the drill on this Warrior you'd think it'd go 50 ft and not move much but that's the complete opposite. This ball revs up very heavy in the midlane around 35 feet and makes it's move toward the pocket on a more forward angle than your typical sideways motion. It's almost reminiscent of a Urethane move on fresh shorter patterns. I can see why Tommy Jones loves this layout because the control it gives off the breakpoint is definitely needed on patterns where there isn't much of a buff area at the end of the pattern which gives alot of balls a sideways move out of the end of the pattern. This ball is also strong enough and more than capable of handling house patterns that have alot of friction to the right. Since it's slower in response off of the dry, it goes where you throw it and is predictable out of the friction, which I love.
The TPC Warrior and the propeller core is a favorite of mine, as the core is very versatile and gives you many options of breakpoint shape with different drills. The cover(Big Wheel Pearl, also seen on the Savage Pearl) is also strong enough, yet versatile enough to take cover adjustments well and still be strong in today's thicker oils.
Both of these balls will stay in my tournament bag for the upcoming season since they are so different from everything else I'm throwing. They also allow me to play a comfort zone I am used to with predictability and strong hitting power.
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