Post by: admin on December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM
High Performance
Coverstock: Traxion Reactive 0.30
Weight Block: Spike Symmetrical Mas Bias Core
Ball Color: Purple/Navy/Gold All colors do vary somewhat from the picture shown.
Hook Potential: info coming soon (scale of 1-50, least to most)
Length: info coming soon (scale of 1-50, early to late)
RG Differential: info coming soon (Medium Flare) on a scale of .000-.080 Low Flare-High Flare
RG Average: info coming soon (Low) on a scale of 2.43-2.80 Very Low-High Break Point
Recommended Lane Conditions: Medium to Heavy Oil Conditions
Post by: Fatboy8 on January 24, 2007, 09:52:38 AM
PAP: not sure (right hand)
Layout: Pin right next to ring finger, cg stacked, weight hole
Pin distance: 3" pin
Style: medium revs/stroker
Ball Speed: 15-17 ??
Lane Condition: Fresh THS, wooden lanes
Well here's the results so far with my Ebonite Total NV. Mine's drilled pin right of ring, cg stacked, weight hole right of cg, mb right of thumb, and down slightly. I'm not sure of my PAP measurements.
At 4000 OOB, the ball went really long, and had a hard time checking up and moving to the pocket. My driller and I thought with my speed being a factor, this surface would be weak.-no X-hole yet.
Second, we went down to 500, then up to 2000 wet sand, no polish. This really did what Ebonite says on the drill sheet. It hooked earlier, and the arcing motion even changed. With my speed, this made the ball really sensitive, but would still have a good reaction.-no X-hole yet.
Lastly, we put the X-hole right of the cg, to try to increase backend reaction. This did start to bring the backend reaction around, but I'll know more on my next league shot, with fresh oil.
I think this ball has a ton of potential, it's just a matter of tweaking the surface to the right condition now. By far not enough games on it to give a great review, but just the results so far. I figured this would help anyone curious about surface changes. I will follow up with future progress.
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Post by: THEICEMAN on January 24, 2007, 09:55:08 AM
Middle game started out with a good reaction through the middle of the game but then noticed the same thing as earlier. As I was against the return I tried to give it more air time but it didn't matter. Switched to my Threshold and on the next four had a light mixer, left a ten, another light mix and then a 2-8 so obviously plenty of oil. As I did get this ball for heavier patterns like State and Nationals it wasn't intended to be first out of the bag. But at the clinic they are rating this their most versatile ball next to the One, plus that crystal 800 award at least makes you want to try. I'm planning on trying it tonight on a pattern that has a little less in the middles and a bit more outside. Even though I struggled on the home pattern with it I believe this ball will be a winner. It's sharp looking, rolls awesome, at 4000 polished has unbelievable turn and hits HARD!! I may get another and drill it pin under for a more arcing shape rather than the big bang on the back 20.
theiceman
Post by: Wloo_Bowler on January 26, 2007, 11:15:16 PM
last 5 years, and had all but sworne it off. I tried quite a few
things including the Xcel Pearl, One, Apex obsession, and I could
not get them thru the heads and still get a consistant reaction
at the break point. Needless to say I was skeptical about Ebonite's
new release when I attended the sneak peak and picked up my ball.
The Total NV I have drilled has a layout similar to this
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This ball is crazy! First time out with this ball and I go
246 219 299 = 764. I was on AMF HPL lanes on a typical house
shot. With every one else struggling with carry down and
dry heads I was still able to get this ball thru the heads and
had a very strong move into the pocket. I'm going to keep my eye
on Ebonite. Track and Morich beware, Ebonite definately seems to
be leading the bowling industry with the latest and greatest in
new technology.
Post by: xceptioner on January 27, 2007, 08:46:40 PM
I was throwing on brunswick synthetics, on a standard house shot. This is a bunch of ball. Best way to describe it is WOW. It is very clean through the heads, picks up the lane, makes a very pronounced move and doesn't stop driving till its in the pit. I tried many lines, 30/35 to 5 no problem getting back to the hole. I moved 25 to 7 with forward on the ball and that's where it really came to life. I've never thrown a ball that hits this hard, nothing even comparable, had many messengers, but only one was needed to get a 9 pin outta there. The others... the other 9 pins were already in the pit. I have above average revs, ball speed is 16 - 18 mph. The only thing I foresee negative about this ball is it may well leave an occasional 9 pin because of it's sharp break and continuous drive. Another great ball from ebonite!!
I think we'll see many more positive reviews on this ball.
Post by: elvismat on January 28, 2007, 06:51:59 AM
Post by: 7 SPLIT 10 on February 02, 2007, 02:01:12 PM
First I'd like to start with what this ball will NOT do (at this layout and surface):
-This ball is not a hook monster. It will not read the midlane early.
-This ball, despite claims, does not hook more than the angular one. (At the same surface and drill layout)
-This ball will not cost you less than 150 dollars =)
-This ball will not always carry the 9 pin, as it continues hooking through the pins occasionally when you get the ball in too deep (Actually, I haven't left a 9 yet through 50 games, but I have maybe 14 trip 9's)
Now, I'd like to share what this ball WILL do!
-This ball will slide through the fronts clean, and deliver monstrous backend attack
-This ball will have more backend then the angular one; and goes longer!
-This ball will not leave many corner pins due to it's aggressive breakpoint angle
-This ball will read hand positions very well and react according to what you want the ball to do.
-This ball will increase your strike percentage, guaranteed.
Overall, I love this ball. Personally, I just sold my angular one to make room for this guy in my bag, and I have NO regrets. I'm not a big fan of posting scores that you shoot with new balls, but I'll let it be known that this one went for 696 OOB, and I've shot many higher series' since. This is probably the most versatile ball on the market to date, and there are many different layouts and drillings. However, I've not experienced this yet, but I've been told that the coverstock is pretty touchy and deserves cleaning after every match. I haven't noticed anything yet, but then again, I've cleaned it diligently after being told this. Ebonite made a winner here, and most of you will love this ball if you decide to purchase it.
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Post by: Dwight Albrecht on February 03, 2007, 12:05:54 AM
Ball Specs
The ball being drilled was a 3†pin out with 2.75 oz top weight.
Drilling: Pin 4" from PAP and Mb 45 degree angle or 4 1/4" from my pap. Pin is below ring finger, 1 3/4" above grip midline. Weight Hole Below Midline 4 o'clock angle. Surface: Factory Polished
Bowler Information:
Track diameter is 10 1/2.
PAP is measured at 5 1/4 over and 3/8" up.
Average ball speed (foul line to head pin) is 17 mph.
Axis rotation is typically 90 degrees
Initial rev rate is typically 300 rpm, "Tweener"
Lane Condition and Pattern:
AMF Bowlero, HPL 9000 Panel. Oil Pattern: Medium Heavy Oil and clean back ends.
Ron Hickland, you are a genius, Hats off to the people at Ebonite. Ebonite and Ron Hickland really know what bowlers want in ball motion. Wonder why the pro's want to throw this ball so bad. The ball refuses to read the lane early, BRAVO!!! It slides down the lane so smoothly, picks up a nice roll in the mid lane and just finishes to the pocket with a strong but predictable motion. Just what bowlers are looking for. The "Perfect" combination of coverstock and weight block. 1st three games on the ball. 258,223,266=746. This ball will be going to Reno with me. I predict this ball will out sell the Ebonite One series hands down. All styles will love this ball. I can honestly say the ball seem to have eyes for the pocket all night long. All bowlers should try this ball. Thanks for reading my review.
Dwight
Post by: FELONIOUS on February 08, 2007, 04:17:21 PM
Post by: GhettoBowler123 on February 09, 2007, 02:59:26 AM
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Post by: DynoLess Daddy on February 11, 2007, 10:05:26 PM
Ball 1:
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.........O....MB
AMF HPL 9000
INFINITY OIL
KUSTODIAN/KUSTODIIAN PLUS
In this NV I elected to drill the XH 4.25" on the mid grip, bringing the SW to 1/2 and finger at 1/4 oz. This NV was excellent to the mids and controlling the mid lane transition. The key with this set up on 40ft house was that as the mids transitioned the nv read the move but did not over react. The explosiveness of the ball was evident through the hard roll and response.
Two bowlers.
Low rev - at slower speed the recovery was strong. at higher speed the NV recovered and carry the light hits.
High Rev - slower speed killed, as the nv became strong and jumpy. Higher speed allowed for control and strong recovery.
On this drilling the NV provided an all around great look and strong motion. The NV responded well to adjustments and speed.
the next review will be NV with pin down drilling.
BALL 2:
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..........cg
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.........O
..........MB
This set up is definitley better for those that rev the ball when playing the swing shot. However, this NV controlled the inside playing the oil with speed. The NV turned and retained a clean roll with great carry. When the played to the lower volume oil right, the NV was long and definitley strong.
This will be continued upon further testing.
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Post by: J Dubs on February 13, 2007, 11:58:44 PM
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Post by: pocketsmasher on February 16, 2007, 06:49:00 PM
my pap --> 4" over, 3/4" up
pin to pap --> 3-3/8"
pin to val --> 1-1/2"
mb --> 60 deg
no weight hole
i had this ball drilled so it would go down long and crash the back 20. i started with the regular oob finish and the ball went a little too long for my liking. maybe there was a little too much oil due to league night. i had it taken down to 500 and then back up with a 2000 abralon and left the polish off. i must say, i am definitely a firm believer now that tweaking the cover can make a difference. you just need some patience and the willingness to experiment with the cover (thanks roger!)
i am adding this ball to my arsenal which now consists of the following:
the big one (sanded down to 320)
tnv (2000 abralon w/o polish)
sr300 (oob finish)
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Post by: electrictech on February 20, 2007, 06:44:34 AM
Post by: Jeff Ussery on February 20, 2007, 10:02:27 AM
Degree Layout: 45 Degrees
Balance Hole: 25/32" Hole x 2" Deep - 4" Right of Grip Center
Surface Preparation: 2000 Abralon
What I Was Looking For in this Ball and Layout:
Hook, hook, and more hook. I've been lacking a ball that just flat out hooks through heavy volumes of lane oil. I drilled an Infinite One earlier this year, but it was specifically drilled for a trip to Las Vegas and extremely slick conditions. Since that time, I've not had a ball that would really handle extremely thick oil up until this point.
What I Ended Up With in this Ball and Layout:
This Total NV is incredibly aggressive, everywhere on the lane. The ball performs as expected through the front part of the lane. Whenever you have a ball with 6-7 inches of track flare, a 2000 grit Abralon surface, and then you combine it with my axis tilt, it's going to hook early. And that was just fine with me! This ball does exactly what I wanted through the front part of the lane.
At the breakpoint, this Total NV is very strong and induces friction like no other ball in my bag. Whenever I get on a lane condition where I can't get a ball to read the spot, I start thinking about this ball. This ball is strong enough in the transition that I haven't seen anything yet that it won't hook on. The great thing is that it is incredibly controllable at that spot, and it never jumps in an angular fashion. For my game, this is key when I'm bowling on heavier volume patters. The tendency for me is to get reactions that push too long and then change direction too quickly. I feel as if this ball will solve those problems.
As I said earlier, nothing outhooks this ball with the stuff currently in my bag. It handles heavier oil better than anything else I have. I can actually force this ball reasonably well on conditions it's not intended for. Now, it may not be beneficial to do so, but it is nice knowing that you have equipment that is a little more versatile and can be used on a wider range of lane conditions. I can use this Total NV on anything between heavy and medium oil volumes and lengths.
Length from 1-10 (Early to Late)
2.5
Breakpoint Move from 1-10 (Smooth to Sharp)
5.5
Overall Hook from 1-10 (Low to High)
9.5
If you would like to see a picture of this ball layout, please visit my website at:
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Videos of this ball are available at:
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Post by: Jeff Ussery on February 20, 2007, 10:03:52 AM
Degree Layout: 35 Degrees
Balance Hole: 25/32" Hole x 2" Deep - 3" Right of Grip Center
Surface Preparation: 2000 Abralon
What I Was Looking For in this Ball and Layout:
This is the second Total NV that I drilled, and I was looking for something that was very aggressive but would give me a little different shape than Total NV #1. I was hoping this ball would clean up the front just a little but still make a very aggressive downlane move.
What I Ended Up With in this Ball and Layout:
This ball accomplished exactly what I wanted through the front part of the lane, and it fits my eye very well. This Total NV is scuffed to 2000 Abralon so that it will handle very heavy volumes of lane oil. I used a 5" pin distance to give the ball just a little more length than Total NV #1. The surfaces between the two balls are identical. As with the first Total NV I drilled, this ball lets me know immediately when the heads are no longer slick enough for me to use it.
At the breakpoint, this Total NV is completely different than the first one. Where the first Total NV makes an arcing type of shape, this Total NV turns the corner more quickly and responds faster to friction. My mass bias location is designed to get the ball to roll earlier and smoother than most of my equipment, and it certainly accomplishes that. I believe that you'll see this in the videos, particularly in the overhead shots. This Total NV is the perfect complement to my first one for the way that I throw the ball.
In overall hook, this Total NV is just slightly below my first one. With a slightly weaker pin position, the ball ended up slightly weaker. Perfect! I've also been very impressed with surface adjustments on my Total NVs, particularly with this ball. I've actually used this ball everywhere between 500 grit Abralon and 4000 grit Abralon with polish applied. The ball responds very well to surface changes, but I never feel as if it is rolling too early in the heads. Don't be afraid to make surface adjustments to your ball to fine tune your ball reaction!
Length from 1-10 (Early to Late)
4.0
Breakpoint Move from 1-10 (Smooth to Sharp)
6.0
Overall Hook from 1-10 (Low to High)
8.5
If you would like to see a picture of this ball, visit my website at:
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www.putfile.com/jeffussery
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Post by: Jeff Ussery on February 20, 2007, 10:05:11 AM
Degree Layout: 60 Degrees
Balance Hole: 13/16" Hole x 2" Deep - 3 1/2" Right of Grip Center
Surface Preparation: 4000 Abralon with Powerhouse Factory Finish Polish (Box Condition)
What I Was Looking For in this Ball and Layout:
I had recently lost my Angular One to a tragic decision making malfunction, so I was hoping to replace that kind of ball reaction with this Total NV. I was looking for a ball that was clean through the front of the lane, made a very quick downlane transition, and destroyed the pins every time I threw it. Don't we all want that? All joking aside, I was looking for easy push through the heads with a strong downlane move that I could control.
What I Ended Up With in this Ball and Layout:
Perfection with regards to layout vs. ball reaction. This ball is EXACTLY what I was hoping for. You can see in the videos that I made that this Total NV pushes through the fronts much easier than the first two. Part of this is due to the weaker pin position. Much of this is due to me leaving this ball in the factory condition. This Total NV pushes through the front of the lane on all but the driest of lane conditions for me.
This ball does exactly what I wanted at the spot as well. The Total NV is very strong off of the breakpoint, and makes a very angular type of move off of the transition. This ball shape is something that I had with an Angular One drilled identical to this, but I feel like the Total NV gives me a little more consistent read at the breakpoint. Occasionally I would push my Angular One right past the breakpoint, but the Total NV doesn't allow me to do that. This ball transitions better than any polished ball I've seen in some time.
In total hook, this Total NV is a little less than my first two. Most of that can be attributed to surface preparation. But that's what I wanted anyway. When you're watching the videos of these 3 Total NVs, be sure not to confuse backend ball motion with hook. Just because a ball moves a lot in the backend of the lane doesn't mean that it hooks a lot. My first two Total NVs will handle heavier lane oil far better than this one. This Total NV is perfect on medium conditions, and it's deadly on any broken down pattern that plays further left than normal.
Length from 1-10 (Early to Late)
7.0
Breakpoint Move from 1-10 (Smooth to Sharp)
9.0
Overall Hook from 1-10 (Low to High)
7.5
If you would like to see a picture of this ball, visit my website at:
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www.putfile.com/jeffussery
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Post by: PVellenga on February 22, 2007, 10:36:04 AM
Post by: jeorj on February 26, 2007, 05:10:46 PM
Post by: Bigmike on March 04, 2007, 09:53:48 PM
Lay Out: 5" from PAP(over ring finger), 75deg angle. No wt hole. This is my favorite layout in terms of getting a good read on a ball's motion.
Surface: Box & I have taken it down to 1000abr, then hit it back to 2000abr.
Purpose: To give myself a arsenal ball that I could use on medium/longer and medium oil volume patterns.
Observations: I have thrown this ball on mostly THS, but also used it some on PBA regional pattern 3 which is a medium length/volume pattern. What I am seeing with this ball in relationship to other balls that I have is a ball that is very close to the Total Inferno that I have. The roll and hitting power is dead on. The move in the back was a smidge more crisper than the Total is. I could get this thru the front well, but in box finish this piece was jumpy on the back. I took it down to 1000/2000abr to try to get it too bleed off some energy and slow down on the back some. I still had a lot of jump in the back with the ball. I can take my hand out of it and really go dead up the back of it and get it to ignore the front more, but still jumpiness in the back. When the THS breaks down and forced me furthur into the "moat", the jumpiness was welcomed. On tougher patterns like PBA Reg 3 and 4 (put out for a tournament club that I bowl in locally), the jumpiness makes me have to put it away a lot quicker than I would like to. I think a more usuable layout for me for the tougher tournament conditions where smooth is a premium would be pin down in the same distance at a 45deg angle. This should get the ball to bleed off enough energy to slow down the ball in the backend.
Final thoughts: The "buzz" about the ball is unbelievable. Ebonite really marketed the ball reminiscent to the Crush/R days where just about every rack had one of these within a few weeks of release. This is definitely a ball that you can't be afraid to experiment with the surface and layout on. I imagine power players would be looking to lay it out as weak as possible or with the "trick" drill to get it to slow down off the point a little more. I am a tweener and am thinking this might get plugged and redrilled with the 1" VAL layout as an experiment. This might slow it down in the backend for me to be able to use it on more conditions.
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Post by: ebo4life on March 04, 2007, 10:35:25 PM
Post by: CoachJim on March 06, 2007, 06:18:23 PM
If you have thoughts in your head about the ball not hooking with this drill pattern forget it, the ball still hooks a ton, but is a bit over reactive off the break still. It would be more usable to drill the pin farther from the pap to get the ball to read the midlane a little smoother. It feels like I am aiming for a break point the size of a quarter, meaning if I got the ball too long or not in the dry soon enough, the ball would squirt.
I never had a problem getting the ball back from anywhere and was much more predictable when I lowered my rev rate to about 200 and played the lane straighter.
I just feel that if I would have went with drill pattern one or two I would have a great first ball out of the bag on pretty much any condition that has head oil.
The TJ drilling allowed me to stay with the ball for a longer period of time since getting the ball down the lane is not an issue, and alowed me to play inside the 5th arrow. In the house I bowl at, the oil pattern is oiled 30 ft and buffed to about 42 and the buff usually doesn't allow much hold for the ball, so being able to play deep inside and hold the ball on line was a huge advantage when the lanes got really dry the last game of league last night.
Post by: tankantc on March 06, 2007, 09:42:14 PM
Best ball Ebonite has ever made, and may be the best ball anyone has ever made. I have just ordered another. Can't wait to drill it!!
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Post by: Riverkeeper on March 06, 2007, 10:39:26 PM
I'm a right-hander, the ball is #16. My average over the last ten years has been between 201 and 212, tending downward the last few years.
I have four games on this ball in league competition: 225, 247, 216, 267.
This ball gives me the best read of the lanes I've had in many years. Amazing.
I renewed my arsenal this past month, buying a Black Widow the Total NV, the Hammer Doom. The Black Widow stayed home, amazing as it is. The Doom is a wonderful ball for slightly drier lanes. But the Total NV leaves me a bit speechless. What a strong pearl ball!
Post by: erikspice on March 07, 2007, 10:24:28 AM
Post by: handshake300 on March 09, 2007, 08:46:29 AM
Post by: strokerdave on March 09, 2007, 10:42:36 AM
fro what i saw is an awesome ball but needs oil and is you get soft
with your speed ball will def cross over. I was thinking of getting 1
but dont need that much hook for my house shot.
my storm stuff hooks enough with my higher ball speeds
Post by: OGrady on March 13, 2007, 05:58:07 PM
My Total NV has a 5x3 with a 45 degree MB. Because my axis point is 2 7/8 over and 1 3/4 up, the pin and cg are located on the left side of grip midline. This ball rolls extremely well on a variety of sport conditions and of course house patterns.
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Post by: BWB300 on March 16, 2007, 07:49:38 PM
Update: April 1, 2007
Went up to practice and shot 193, 235, 223, 226, 234,300. It was my first 300, so i got just a little excited. I ended the six games with a 235 average.
This ball hits like a freakin truck, and kicks out those ten pins.
All i can say is buy the Total NV. There is no other ball to use.
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Post by: Gutter on March 18, 2007, 01:23:48 PM
Post by: strikealot on March 20, 2007, 07:35:14 AM
3oz top
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5x4.5(mb)
pin 4 inch above midline
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my specs in profile..
after one day of practice ball seems to be pretty versatile...able to go up boards(10-5) behind ball with soft hand and carry is awesome..went further right(7-3) with same result..nice reaction...moved in(20-10) and ball had nice arc...i didn't have alot of room for error with release or speed in here though but if i threw a good shot i struck...seem like i had more room with more speed to the right than in middle of lane..ball seems alot like my toxic(similar drill),, except my toxic is earlier and able to play middle with better reaction..this is my early review, i will update later this week..
after first night with it in league..lets just say awesome...705 first set and 804 late set..again i will say this is a versatile ball, easily adjusts to different releases with out losing angle or carry..gotta love it...
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Post by: EboniteBrat on March 27, 2007, 09:29:35 PM
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Post by: Gene J Kanak on April 02, 2007, 01:22:44 PM
Pros: Long and strong
Excellent hit/carry
Cons: A bit too long & strong in some cases
Condition specific
Not very forgiving
Overall: For me, the Total NV is good but not revolutionary. I find this ball works best in tandem with my Black Widow. When there is free hook to the outside, the Total NV is the way to go. Compared to the Widow, it pushes about 2-3 feet further down the lane and delivers a sharper move to the hole. That is great until the oil begins to push; the the steep angle equals 10-pin city for me.
I think this ball will work very well from deep inside when you need quick recovery, but I wouldn't be able to use mine on anything that's tighter. I simply don't think it offers the predictability or forgiveness to make it viable in such situations.
So, overall, if you like to hook the ball and are looking for something that will allow you to do that quite easily on most conditions you'll face, grab the Total NV and have some fun. However, if you're a tournament player that relies upon consistent reaction from shot to shot, be very careful of your drilling selection and coverstock prep. You'll need to be in order to keep this beast in control and in the pocket.
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Post by: josdavwhi on April 07, 2007, 05:54:30 PM
I got this ball for one reason, I wanted a ball with finishing power, I got exactly what i wanted so far, I threw this ball lastnight for the first time, typical house shot 39 feet, dry outside 6 boards...I will say that if you are a cranker like me, you might as well start your night playing 3,4 arrow and swinging the you know what out of the ball, but the performance of this ball is something I have never seen besides out of my domination. The difference between this ball and other balls designed to do this is that this ball actually finishes strong, other balls you play to far inside and the ball burns up all its energy. This ball stores it and unleashes it, and the last thing I will say about this ball is it leaves a little more room for mistakes...
10 being good, 1 being bad....
Hook:10
Length:6
Backend Shape:8.5
Hitting Power:10
Great ball from Ebonite, in my opinion it leaves The One Line in its dust!!!
Post by: meccarp on April 07, 2007, 11:08:31 PM
Post by: Rabiddog135 on April 08, 2007, 02:31:52 AM
I had the oprotunity to purchase a used one of the TNVs from hawkeye4life and it just happened to have the exact layout I wanted Pin above the bridge and the Cg and Mas bias swung right mas bias is only about 1-1 1/2 inches right of thumb all I had to do because the span was so close to mine, was to have a new thumb slug and grips put in as it had no grips tried throwing with no grips and just could not get used to it so I had grips installed also.
About me I am Right handed
Ball Speed- 15.6- 18 miles per hr
Rev Rate - 400-450
Axis Tilt - 45 Degrees
Threw in practice today after my daughters league ended but I got a pair that no one had been on because the two teams did not show up to bowl that was supposed to be there so it was a fresh shot.
The thing that attracted me to the TNV when watching everyone that had one throw them was the consistancy everyone of them rolled with, and the one I picked up did not disappoint me this ball is probably the most consistant rolling ball I have ever used It is so consistant that it almost lulls you into a mode of you can not miss as long as your release is the same or close this ball does the same thing every time you throw it I shot six games with it started out the first game just trying to get aquainted with the reaction of it shot a 193 for me I do not even really look at my scores for the first game or two when I am practicing #2 shot a 203 the next four games I settled in as I got comfortable with the reaction of the TNV I shot games of 233,219,207, and 200
Like I said at the beginning of this post I will always be a Sawhead but I will tell you if I could no longer get anymore Lane1s I would most defanetly start throwing some Ebonite stuff if they are as Consistant as this one but I have never been an ebonite fan until the Total NV I like this ball so much that I intend on taking my cut of league winnings and getting another one NIB before they discontinue them
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Pearl Cherry C2
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And In Storage
Cobalt Bomb (NIB),BCB(X2-1 NIB),
Original SD(X2,NIB),
Golden Nugget,
Pearl Uranium
Pearl Cherry Bomb (X3-1NIB 1 is 16Lb)
SCB,
H2O,
Pink Raspberry (X1-16Lb)
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Post by: korkey299 on May 16, 2007, 10:19:36 PM
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Age: 18
Average: 198
High Score: 300 unsanctioned,299 sanctioned
High Series: 723 223, 299, 201
782 234, 300, 248
Current Equipment:
The One
Equation
Animal Untamed
Rule GP2
Desert Heat 300
Post by: swing-man on May 18, 2007, 11:07:19 AM
Post by: mrspacely on May 18, 2007, 11:30:50 PM
I did find I needed to belly the ball when the heads started to dry out or it would read too early. As long as I did not HIT the ball too hard, it saved energy and had a terrifically consistent and strong back end. I missed WAY right on 2 shots and it came back from right field! I missed one inside and it rode the oil line and hit the pocket so hard that it sounded like an explosion (although it did leave the 4-pin)
I have decided to just BOWL and if I get hurt, I'll STOP for the evening. I am real tired of bowling "scared of getting hurt" and the NV actually helped me with my confidence to the point that my slump may be a thing of the past.
Post by: Riverkeeper on May 20, 2007, 07:51:02 PM
Bowled in the New Jersey state tournament yesterday at Warren Lanes, Phillipsburg. Old, beaten up wood lanes, with a heavily oiled house shot -- nothing fancy.
My TNV is drilled to go long and snap.
I did the team event with a Black Widow, because of nothing particular - just that it seemed that be better in practice vs. the balls I brought, but then, it became sort of a train wreck. No recovery, but then lots of movement inside when I didn't need it. Fine. Low 500. Classic over and under.
Reoiling. Doubles and singles. The Total NV opened up the lanes, completely. I shot 268 208 220, and then 256 228 235. It was like operating a piece of dangerous drilling equipment. I am a stroker with medium speed, and people watching me shrugged (after they did low 500s), saying the ball should be illegal.
Like Nike says..."Just do it."
Ebonite should say, for the TNV..."Just buy it."
Post by: mrspacely on May 22, 2007, 12:15:21 AM
Post by: WDE on May 25, 2007, 03:35:06 AM
This is another story altogether, totally unrelated to the ball's performance itself, but I must point out that the change worked, and unexpectantly, without much of a learning curve-- going no reverse kept me much more locked into the ball, without having to using gobs of tape to keep it on my hand (more tape increases the reverse, incidently), and allowed me to relax my hand more, although I will have to continue to work on learning to let the ball swing more freely and not squeeze or muscle at the bottom. Old habits die hard!
Anyhow, thanks much again to Jake at J and J at Fox Bowl, Wheaton, IL (home of 7 time PBA Champ Steve Jaros), who always takes care of me, and makes me feel like family.
Anyways. Onto the Total NV. I decided to get this ball, despite my reservations about the longevity of Ebonite coverstocks, based on watching pros on TV with it, as well as my experience with my friend, Jeff, whose carry, confidence, and average has been improved by throwing the NV. His margin for error with the ball is ridiculous, he carries light shots with it, he trips more 4-7's on high shots than you can shake a stick at, etc. He's much better than me anyways, and am not much for being a copycat, but I figured, if you can' t beat em, join em!
With my faster speed (18-20 mph at pindeck), Jake and I decided on a leverage position, pin under fingers, no weighthole needed. I took it to my usual house, Brunswick synthetics, and got a fresh pair (standard league shot) to bowl on.
All I can say is wow. I have never thrown anything like this ball. For one, I have never thrown anything that made such a drastic, but somehow predictable, move on the backend.
It's hard for me to give an accurate frame of reference, considering the huge help the grip change has been to me as well. But suffice it to say, the backend is harder and more continuous than anything else I've thrown. This is definitely not a ball you need to overpower to get it to hook once it hits dry boards. But curiously, at the same time, the ball is very forgiving. If I tugged it a little, the ball would often hold and trip 4's. If I got it further right than what I wanted, the ball would come screaming back. Light shots carried, very often with a messenger, even if none were needed. The ball seems to thrive in the half pocket. Really light shots often left 9 counts, no mean feat considering that I have much more speed than hand.
In short, it was ridiculous, the ball gave me a lot of room to work with, and carried shots that had no business carrying. Another thing that was nice is that the ball doesn't seem to do much on the front part of the lane, which leads me to believe that I'll be able to throw the ball under a variety of conditions, maybe even in heavy oil.
I just hope it lasts, because I really don't want to throw anything else. I'll probably get another, and try a different layout, to back it up.
I'm no expert, but I bowl enough to highly recommend the Total NV. What a great, great ball.
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Post by: Dyno-Joe on May 26, 2007, 10:16:23 AM
Post by: another300 on May 29, 2007, 09:01:38 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on June 08, 2007, 06:27:05 PM
#1 Pin 4 1/2 from PAP above ring finger, mb 4 3/4 from PAP(1 1/4 right of thumb). Weighthole on VAL 2 inches below PAP. Factory Finish
#2 Pin 4 3/4 from PAP below ring finger, mb 5 1/4 from PAP(under the thumb 1/2 from centerline). Factory Finish, and have altered it to 1000 abralon.
Lane Conditions: Various house shots and PBA patterns.
HOOK:
Heavy: The Total NV is not meant to be used on heavy oil, but with the proper layout and surface prep I think it would perform well. Ball 1 shocked me because of how strong it left the pattern and turned the corner enough to recover to the pocket. Ball 2 gets into its roll sooner, but it lacks the ability to turn over enough in the backends.
Medium: Both of them fit perfectly for medium oil. Ball 1 is a beast, there is no stopping it. For my style it is rare to have a ball take out the corners as well as this ball playing so deep. Ball 2 is a smoother version, actually more of a benchmark type ball.
Light: MAYBE with the proper layout and surface prep the TNV could be used here. MAYBE.
TOTAL HOOK:
Ideal for medium oil patterns...and can typically handle med/heavy as well. Both of these balls are benchmark type balls, they just do it in a different way.
CONTROL:
Ball 1 has much too strong of a breakpoint to be a control type ball, but with that strength at the break also comes consistancy. Ball 2 is very controllable. It read the pattern earlier than ball 1 due to the surface, but is much more predictable at the breakpoint.
EXPECTED REACTION:
I had ball 2 first and loved the way it performed, I just wanted more recovery at the breakpoint and ball 1 does that perfectly. With each of these balls I got what I wanted out of them.
STRENGTHS:
Strong roll, strong hit and consistancy. The ball gives you what you make it do, and it is very forgiveable when you miss. Very useable on a wide variety of patterns.
WEAKNESSES:
Typically longer patterns will give the TNV a difficult time. Just keep it used on what it is meant for and you will be fine.
COMMENTS:
The TNV is my firt venture into Ebonite for the first time in a long time. I am very happy with every aspect of this ball. FOR ME ball 1 is tremendous. I do not see breakdown and generally only have to move my feet 1-2 boards throughout league. One thing I wanted to comment on was carrydown. Ball 1 cuts through carrydown with ease, ball 2 starts up sooner, but still does not have enough kick in the backend to finish the job. Overall the TNV is an extremely solid performer that I would suggest to a bowler that wants a very versatile medium oil ball.
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C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio
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Post by: gie_uk on June 17, 2007, 05:45:38 PM
Medium revs.
75 degree axis rotation.
15-17.5mph ball speed.
Like to play standing on board 20-22 and up 10-12 board.
The ball:
4000 abralon OOB
Pin above ring finger.
MB @ 45 degrees and CG kicked just outside line between pin and mb(see pictures)
First I would like to say I only ave 165-170 and I have only been hook bowling since december 06.
This ball has really settled down my game because of it's readability.
Tonight their was a long patten and I had to play more of a straighter line to the pocket but this ball was as predictable as always and I ended up finding the pocket.
On delivery this ball is clean through the heads with a nice mid lane read and then a great move when it hits the dry boards.
This ball is the best ball I own and it's brought my handicap down.
I would recommend this ball for medium oil.
Oh and this ball soakes up oil like a sponge so if you do get one you will have to look after it, I bath mine every 12-15 games and clean it with storm reactor clean inbetween.
Great ball!
Garry
Ipswich
Suffolk
England.
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EBONITE TOTAL NV
EBONITE SMASHTIME (solid/particle)
STORM AGENT
EBONITE MAXIUM
EBONITE MIRAGE
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Post by: Your_Nemesis on July 13, 2007, 03:47:20 AM
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Arsenal:
Ebonite Total NV
Brunswick Strike Zone
Brunswick Radical Inferno
Brunswick Wizard
Track Xception
Lane Masters Absolute Power
Ebonite Maxim (spare)
My specs:
17 mph avg.
Mid-High track
Mid revs
Post by: the_mexican_guy on July 20, 2007, 07:58:39 PM
I am a stroker, medium revs, speed 20 mph.
I bought this ball 2 weeks ago.
I like very much for the fact that the ball has great length with a tremendous backend motion.
This ball hit like a truck very nice ball.
The layout that I used was a stacked layout with the cg in my palm and the mb 1" inch from my thumb.
I am a righty.
Specs
15.02oz I dont know the top weight
2" pin
I will recommend to any body who has very much speed and looking for a tremendous backend.
Post by: Zack Pelton300 on July 23, 2007, 02:54:20 PM
I decided to lay this ball out with the pin next to the ring finger, and the cg just over the thumb. Also this ball has high top weight. This ball on a fresh shot gets through the heads great. When the heads start to fry this ball gets really hard to through. The ball starts rolling up late in the mid lane and has a very aggressive roll on the backend. This is not a bad thing and has helped on a variety of shots, but it backs off on the end. Not really dies but drives more straight back.
Post by: freak761 on July 23, 2007, 03:42:00 PM
TWEENER 15-16MPH, MEDIUM REVS, MEDIUM TRACKER
DRILL #3, EARLY & STRONG 3 1/2 X 4 1/2, BALANCE HOLE 1" PAST PAP ON GRIP CENTER
I absolutely hated this ball at first, after two games it was tracked up so bad, I thought I'd have to have a full resurface on it. But the ball was smooth and strong, so I sanded it down to 400 and brought it back to 2000 abralon polished with Factory Finish to a gloss shine. Over 70 games on it now with no loss of reaction. One of the most versatile balls I've ever thrown, I see this ball as best suited for medium oil, not strong enough for the heavier stuff IMO.
Post by: Vietboy004 on August 25, 2007, 07:54:25 PM
Post by: alangrobmeier on September 01, 2007, 08:00:57 PM
I tried this ball on sport shots and it was too over/under on the scorpion and viper. In general I dont believe in modifying covers, so I never did "tweak" the cover. Tried it on THS and did not care for it. It didnt seem to carry as well as some of my other stuff.
I have heard that lefthanders like this ball better than RH. Eventually I sold it to a LH. I guess he likes it.
Post by: olererack on September 06, 2007, 09:41:35 PM
The name Total NV stands for Totally New Veneer!! Catchy
TNV cover stocks are Ebonite’s pursuit for cover stock performance.
R & D chemist team at Ebonite has identified another component in cover stock performance.
Demonstrating the effect of surface texture which enhance hook potential. .
The TNV was smooth and strong, with Factory Finish 4000 grit Polished shine.
One of the most versatile balls I've ever thrown,
Both the Total NV and the NV fit perfectly for medium oil.
Also both can typically handle med/heavy oil depend on your hook potential
Ball was drilled 41/2 x 4/12 (2.5â€pin) pin below ring fingers
The ball starts rolling up later in the mid lane and has a very aggressive roll on the backend
Strong roll, strong hit and consistency.
The ball gives you what you make it do, and it is very forgivable
Which can helps on a variety of shots,
The Total NV is not meant to be used on heavy oil, but with the proper layout and surface prep I think it would perform well.
The ball and cover stock are very versatile to adjustments.
both balls Total NV and the NV have their own built in reactions
Which once again is a plus
Who wants different two balls to do the same things?.
Ebonite the company is starting to dominate the performance ball market.
Good Job guys
Buddies Pro Shop Staff
Vise Grips Staff
Post by: thefunnierman on September 22, 2007, 05:12:11 PM
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Wow, this ball is decently clean through the fronts and has the most consistent backend movement I've ever seen. Favorite ball for house shots. The ball is again clean through the fronts and has a strong yet controllable backend move to the pocket. I hope this review helps. VERY nice ball by Ebonite.
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Revs= about 450 rpm
Axis= medium
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Post by: 86camaroman on September 25, 2007, 01:35:51 AM
Post by: Kerns the bowler on October 08, 2007, 02:02:10 PM
Post by: nd300 on October 28, 2007, 11:33:16 PM
Ball weight--16 lbs
Pin length--3 inches
Top weight--3.01 ounces
Drilling pattern--I had wanted a pin under with the Cg at 45*,but my driller was concerned that the ball would burn up.So we modified it a little.Ending pin is 3 3/4" from my PAP and the Cg is 3 3/8.Mb marking is to the right of and slightly below the thumb
Coverstock---after throwing the ball on a fresh shot,I was leaving flat tens and light seven pins.Back to the spinner to take the cover down to 2000 Abralon with a little polish.
Bingo!!!!!!!!!
Now this ball really shined.It still clears the heads,but when it finds the dry,it makes a strong move to the pocket.Shots that miss to the right come back easily and send messengers across to remove the ten pin. Flush shots send all ten into the pit.
Shots that are in the carrydown in the late 2nd game do seem to wiggle and not finish,leaving flat ten pins.Here a speed reduction and a move to the right seem to get the ball back to carrying again.
As with the newer balls,I do clean the cover with rubbing alcohol after a three game set,and it has gotten several Dawn/hot water baths.This has kept the cover in good shape with no loss of reaction.
I got this ball in December of 2006,and with bowling in two leagues it has well over 100 games on it now.I wanted to write this review AFTER some use to be able to be a little more objective after seeing a wider range of lane conditions.
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Chris
Lane#1--nothing else hits like 'em.
Post by: erikspice on November 07, 2007, 01:07:15 PM
Post by: MuncieBowler on December 07, 2007, 12:44:17 AM
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Post by: fbonnot on January 10, 2008, 11:24:54 AM
Post by: THEICEMAN on January 10, 2008, 02:05:59 PM
They do lose some hook as you stated with use but it is simple to get it back.
theiceman
Post by: TBowler on January 23, 2008, 04:24:10 AM
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Total NV is Total Domination
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Post by: Andy S on March 29, 2008, 12:16:09 PM
My TNV is drilled up with pin over bridge, MB kicked out from thumb about 1.5 inch. After I got the ball to track up a little it started to shine. My comfort line is sliding at about 22 - 23, 16-17 at the arrows, out to 8-9 at the breakpoint. I would classify myself as a low tweener/high stroker. This ball isn't a fan of carry down. So I'm always chasing the dry with parallel moves. It does get through the heads very well. (I haven't seen a pearl that doesn't YET.) I mainly bowl on 39ft Top Hat Typical House Shot.
Shot my first 300 with it with it OOB surface. That was after about 150 - 175 games on it. It went downhill for a while. I was having to play straighter. After a good ole' hot water bath and taking it to 1000 abralon + polish it was back to new. The same night I shot a 785 with it. 289, 216, 290. I have around 300 games on it right now and it is still going strong. I have hot water bathed it twice. Right now I'm at 2000 abralon + polish and it is great. Don't be afraid to adjust the surface. Ebonite clearly states that.
I would recommend this ball to anyone. I clean it regularly after every set with the Powerhouse Cleaner. I haven't had a issue with it dying like most do with Ebonites. Maybe I just got a "GOOD" one, maybe I clean mine better than most, maybe I play on the right conditions for it. Who knows.
I do know that this ball has been MONEY for me.
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Post by: MrNattyBoh on June 30, 2008, 11:50:34 AM
Update: 8/14/08
I just wanted to give an update on this ball. I used the Total NV on a fairly fresh house shot. I was lofting it out to about the arrows straight up 7-8 board. This ball cornered like a ferari. I shot games of 248, 248 & 219 for a decent 715 series. This ball is a great match for my game!
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"OH BOY, WHAT A BEER!"
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Post by: batbowler on July 29, 2008, 01:21:51 AM
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