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41412 - Miscellaneous / Re: USBC possible outlawing balls
« Last post by jkirkerx on December 12, 2017, 11:59:29 PM »
Iím At the age where I can care less about what the USBC rules

I personally think itís some sort of bowling socialism in which the voices of the frustrated are louder than the voices of joy or skilled. Or perhaps trying to grow the USBC larger by increasing all the fees, adding more departments and some sort of TSA at the bowling centers where your gear has to get x-rayed and you have to sunmit a urine sample.

I know of one league that took matters into their own hands and voted in a 90% of 240 handicap to put the brakes on a 237 average bowler rolling a Phase 2 Up 20. I see those 120 bowlers show up once a week to bowl 3 games because their parents bowled, rolling a cheap ball and spending all their money on 50/50, mystery number, chicken fingers with ketchup and lots of booze while the good bowlers eat at home and buy 1 beer or none. Good bowlers invest in gear and knowledge to roll good scores.

As for this Chad guy that got upset at that tournament, thatís poor planning by the tournament in which there were too many games and squads that overwhelmed the lane conditions that the house negociated to provide in the tournament contract. So instead of the tournament taking the hit itís being blamed on the balls. Everybody wanted to win so they either used what the manufacture told them to use or made the wrong choice themself.

Somebody could actually write a book on this subject; and no offense to the bowlers I referenced. Just my observations.







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52137 - Miscellaneous / Re: About making some balls illegal
« Last post by giddyupddp on December 12, 2017, 11:50:56 PM »
+1, all this below

Many still argue that bowling has lost sooooooo many league bowlers because it was too easy and scores were too high?  Look at all of these pro bowlers from years past continuing to echo this as recently as Bo Burton.

Then you look at bowlers and society up until the late 80s and what was available for your entertainment dollar vs late 80s moving forward to today and you can see why so many people would no longer wish to commit to 32-36 week leagues.

Here is the funny secret..many bowling centers are using a failing business model and not adapting to todays bowlers/consumers. I am 36, I started bowling league as a junior in 1996-97 roughly and really enjoy bowling. I do not wish to continue bowling in 36 week leagues every year.

Lots of businesses and restaurants fail, including large chains. None are immune to bad business and failing to keep up with changes in society. League bowling is failing in that market and bowling center owners and USBC can't figure  out why. Lets blame scores and equipment. By that logic USBCs open championship should be growing every year because of how difficult the conditions are....but it is not.

Everyone in league should be averaging 190 plus because bowling is easy.....yet when looking across many leagues we see plenty of lower average bowlers no different then in the 1950s to 1980s aka the golden years.



Idk who you are, but i like you.
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52137 - Miscellaneous / Re: USBC possible outlawing balls
« Last post by giddyupddp on December 12, 2017, 11:46:04 PM »
Okay, so what do the majority want?

First the majority of USBC bowlers have averages below 200 and are not concerned with scoring that is out of control. They just get out and want to have some fun. Those bowlers who are trying to improve who have bought balls don't want to find out they are now illegal or can't get one like it again because some new rule.

The USBC should Stop obsessing on the past and trying to move backwards. Come up with one new idea or concept that tries to bring more people into bowling. And I know that is vague but I think some ideas they have had make sense but poorly executed. The entire concept of Sport bowling is great but at least in my area I have never seen one of these leagues promoted by the USBC or any ever exist in a house in my area. How about really getting involved with youth bowling and get the big companies that own a great % of houses on board instead my local Bowlero actually kicked the Sat morning youth league out of their house because they would didn't want to have to open, oil, and turn lights on a Sat morning.

Again just my $0.02, I don't claim to be the majority but doesn't want the sport of bowling to die, but it can also promote the game of bowling for the majority of USBC members who just want to have a fun time bowling.
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52372 - Miscellaneous / USA VS World Tom Smallwood Ryan Ciminelli
« Last post by jmc1972 on December 12, 2017, 10:57:48 PM »
Did anyone notice Tom Smallwoodís and Ryan Ciminelliís fingers during the broadcast of the USA vs the World? What did they have on them? It wasnít finger tap.
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13704 - Miscellaneous / Re: USBC possible outlawing balls
« Last post by six pack on December 12, 2017, 10:28:48 PM »
I think it's a fantastic idea. and when the whole thing blows up maybe we can move on from USBC.
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10644 - Miscellaneous / Re: USBC possible outlawing balls
« Last post by northface28 on December 12, 2017, 09:27:24 PM »
Regardless of what they decide, ill still bowl.
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10760 - Miscellaneous / Re: USBC possible outlawing balls
« Last post by Gene J Kanak on December 12, 2017, 09:22:14 PM »
Okay, so what do the majority want?
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10644 - Miscellaneous / Re: About making some balls illegal
« Last post by northface28 on December 12, 2017, 09:14:31 PM »
Many still argue that bowling has lost sooooooo many league bowlers because it was too easy and scores were too high?  Look at all of these pro bowlers from years past continuing to echo this as recently as Bo Burton.

Then you look at bowlers and society up until the late 80s and what was available for your entertainment dollar vs late 80s moving forward to today and you can see why so many people would no longer wish to commit to 32-36 week leagues.

Here is the funny secret..many bowling centers are using a failing business model and not adapting to todays bowlers/consumers. I am 36, I started bowling league as a junior in 1996-97 roughly and really enjoy bowling. I do not wish to continue bowling in 36 week leagues every year.

Lots of businesses and restaurants fail, including large chains. None are immune to bad business and failing to keep up with changes in society. League bowling is failing in that market and bowling center owners and USBC can't figure  out why. Lets blame scores and equipment. By that logic USBCs open championship should be growing every year because of how difficult the conditions are....but it is not.

Everyone in league should be averaging 190 plus because bowling is easy.....yet when looking across many leagues we see plenty of lower average bowlers no different then in the 1950s to 1980s aka the golden years.



Idk who you are, but i like you.
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10644 - Miscellaneous / Re: USBC possible outlawing balls
« Last post by northface28 on December 12, 2017, 09:12:04 PM »
You can't bring back bowlers by continuing to believe in a failing business model. Many bowling centers/leagues are running today no differently then they did in the 50s,60s 70s etc.

Think of all the other businesses and how they have had to change over the years to keep up with the changes in society and what customers want. Most bowling centers and USBC are not on the same page of keeping up with society today.

If bowling is so easy today there would be no lower averages bowlers. There is. Then all of the bowlers who quite did so because there averages got too high and they no longer found it competitive? Plenty of lower average bowlers quite.

Judging by the law of averages most that quit bowling would be lower average bowlers. That means they left for other reasons. Yet many wish to ignore the obvious and chase rabbits.

At least in my area bowling centers are pretty much bars with lanes.  Fine by me as I mostly bowl during the days.  Let hipsters show off their lame bowling shirt at night in the glowlight if it will keep the places open.

Where exactly do you live?
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43485 - Miscellaneous / Re: About making some balls illegal
« Last post by bradl on December 12, 2017, 08:41:10 PM »
How a bout making "two-handed" deliveries illegal?  This makes a huge difference in "pin carry".

The same thing was said about Mike Miller when he started bowling with no thumb. Look at how many titles he has compared to WRWJ, as he was prominent during Walter's time. Same with him applied to Aulby, Duke, Criss, Learn, Voss, and many others at that time.

My point: Dale Carnegie's quote always come to the fore:

Only fools criticize, condemn, and complain - and most people do.

Instead of complaining about two-handers, how about do what the ladies have done, as they have every right to complain about men when it comes to pin carry: concentrate on shot making, and pure each shot. If you're worried about pin carry, how about worrying less about how much room you have for a shot and start working on repeating your shot each and every time, give/take 2 boards on each side of your target, and have your shot be so pure that you don't have to worry about wildly aggressive pin carry.

two-handers don't scare Liz Johnson. they didn't scare Rhino, Lavoie, or any others who have won or think that they have an advantage.

My point: stop worrying about what you can't control, and start worrying about what you CAN CONTROL: your game.

BL.
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