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Luke Rosdahl

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A thought on the proposed ball specs adjustment by USBC
« on: December 18, 2017, 11:33:23 AM »
First of all, personally I don't care.  If it's legal, I'll bowl with it, if it's not, I won't, don't care.  I think USBC is missing a chance to differentiate recreation from sport though.  The average bowler doesn't get patterns.  Yeah the blue oil looks cool on the PBA shows, but there's no blue oil at league, so they have no basis for comparison.  You can show them lane graphs and pictures, but until they actually see it AND bowl on it, they're not going to get it or understand.  HOWEVER, it's really easy to understand the difference between college baseball players using aluminum bats and the pros using wood, and it's nothing that has to be explained to be understood.  All you have to say is that the pros have equipment restrictions, they can't use the balls that make it "easier" to score like league bowlers can, because when people see pros using the same balls they do bowling on lanes that look the same as theirs, they see no difference. 

Now the issue for the manufacturers becomes that they lose advertisement for balls that aren't legal for use on the PBA, but I really don't think the PBA has much influence on ball purchases anymore.  Literally not once in the last three years have I had anyone come into the shop and say, "I want the ball -insert random pro- won with the other day."  I could be wrong, but 10-15 years ago, that happened all the time.  Somebody would win with a ball on a Sunday, and Monday I'd have people in there wanting one.  Now it seems to be primarily consumer and manufacturer driven. 

This idea makes sense to me, continue with the current specs, but put spec restrictions on equipment for use in higher level competition.  The funny thing is it doesn't even matter, most people I know use equipment that's inside the new rumored specs anyway, not going to hurt my feelings, but it could hurt manufacturers who all the sudden lose maybe a couple ball lines, and more limited specs means more limited reactions which means more limited choices which means less revenue most likely.  There NEEDS to be a bolder line between recreation and sport, and it needs to be achieved without adjusting the recreation side. 
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Re: A thought on the proposed ball specs adjustment by USBC
« Reply #106 on: January 10, 2018, 10:43:22 AM »
I asked USBC and they confirmed water is allowed and must be dried from the ball surface prior to throwing it.
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Re: A thought on the proposed ball specs adjustment by USBC
« Reply #107 on: January 10, 2018, 11:51:34 AM »
I asked USBC and they confirmed water is allowed and must be dried from the ball surface prior to throwing it.

Well that's a relief lol.  With the USBC assume nothing.  Still thanks for the clarification.  Its just too bad I have corrupted my arsenal for eternity because I have dared mixed SG with water and sprayed it on them in my own home to clean my own equipment.  Its ok though because the USBC is looking to phase out a good portion of my arsenal anyway because they can.  Sanction fees from me don't think so.  Be unsanctioned just for fun leagues in my near to medium term future (funny thing can find them cheaper at only $11 a week no up front fees in my area too, funny how the lanes can run them sans the USBC).  Funny thing about bowling is fun should come first at least for me.  Those big bad four digit prize checks (and only if world class lmfao) just don't have much allure for me on the holy sport side.  Keep rearranging them deck chairs on the Titanic USBC.
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Re: A thought on the proposed ball specs adjustment by USBC
« Reply #108 on: January 11, 2018, 07:20:50 AM »
If they were serious about maintaining the "integrity" of the game, they would start with outlawing 2 handed and thumb-less bowling.

In most instances, the rev rates generated by these styles defiantly give the player an advantage over the traditional style bowler. The rev rates and entry angles created by this leads to massive carry in most instances.  I equate this in golf with the anchored club rule or the head-on putting rule.

In addition, when I turn on the PBA (what is left of it) and see guys winging two handed shots, doing something I cannot physically do, I just turn it off.  I can't relate. ... and I'm not alone.

 
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Re: A thought on the proposed ball specs adjustment by USBC
« Reply #109 on: January 11, 2018, 07:52:10 AM »
If they were serious about maintaining the "integrity" of the game, they would start with outlawing 2 handed and thumb-less bowling.

In most instances, the rev rates generated by these styles defiantly give the player an advantage over the traditional style bowler. The rev rates and entry angles created by this leads to massive carry in most instances.  I equate this in golf with the anchored club rule or the head-on putting rule.

In addition, when I turn on the PBA (what is left of it) and see guys winging two handed shots, doing something I cannot physically do, I just turn it off.  I can't relate. ... and I'm not alone.

 


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Re: A thought on the proposed ball specs adjustment by USBC
« Reply #110 on: January 11, 2018, 08:31:39 AM »
double C'mon man
Just because you can't do it, it should be outlawed?

Being a middle aged house hack I hope all the kids coming up throwing 2 handed actually grow the sport. Maybe if they are having fun and they bring their friends into the game showing them how much fun it is and possibly grow or at least keep it alive as a sport for years to come.

In reality there is not a big difference in 1 handed vs 2 handed, it really is more because no thumb is used allowing for the revs and the 2nd hand is a stabilizer. Because of the weight of balls the sport has always allowed wrist devices to drastically improve their release which golf would never so the comparison is not a good one but if you want golf lets you use both hands and doesn't tell you how many fingers/thumbs to use.


If they were serious about maintaining the "integrity" of the game, they would start with outlawing 2 handed and thumb-less bowling.

In most instances, the rev rates generated by these styles defiantly give the player an advantage over the traditional style bowler. The rev rates and entry angles created by this leads to massive carry in most instances.  I equate this in golf with the anchored club rule or the head-on putting rule.

In addition, when I turn on the PBA (what is left of it) and see guys winging two handed shots, doing something I cannot physically do, I just turn it off.  I can't relate. ... and I'm not alone.

 


C'mon man.

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Re: A thought on the proposed ball specs adjustment by USBC
« Reply #111 on: March 04, 2018, 09:34:46 AM »
So what are the latest proposed ball specifications that USBC is sending to the  ball companies? I saw this article but I don't have a subscription to read the full story.

https://11thframe.com/news/article/10104/Ball-companies-have-until-March-15-to-respond-to-USBCs-latest-proposed
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Re: A thought on the proposed ball specs adjustment by USBC
« Reply #112 on: March 04, 2018, 10:28:44 AM »
So what are the latest proposed ball specifications that USBC is sending to the  ball companies? I saw this article but I don't have a subscription to read the full story.

https://11thframe.com/news/article/10104/Ball-companies-have-until-March-15-to-respond-to-USBCs-latest-proposed

>The United States Bowling Congress has sent updated proposed specification and rule revisions to bowling ball manufacturers, who have until March 15 to offer feedback.

Considering how much the USBC has their hands in the ball manufacturers pockets this should be interesting.  Good thing went on a ball buying spree when I did.
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Re: A thought on the proposed ball specs adjustment by USBC
« Reply #113 on: March 04, 2018, 11:37:34 AM »
So what are the latest proposed ball specifications that USBC is sending to the  ball companies? I saw this article but I don't have a subscription to read the full story.

https://11thframe.com/news/article/10104/Ball-companies-have-until-March-15-to-respond-to-USBCs-latest-proposed

I'm not able to upload it directly here so I put it at this link:

https://www.scribd.com/document/372942166/USBC-Proposed-Ball-Specification-Changes-Letter-to-Manufacturers-Jan-16-2018

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Re: A thought on the proposed ball specs adjustment by USBC
« Reply #114 on: March 04, 2018, 12:40:58 PM »
Well at least so far they haven't messed with diff limits which was just solving a problem that doesn't exist but for me this is almost worse as I tend to use balance holes on a fair number of my pieces.

>Elimination of hole for balance purposes in USBC certified competition effective August 1, 2020

Guess the PSOs are going to get a bunch of plug and possible re-drill business.  One positive I will say is that oil absorption test is long overdue and about the only thing they should be looking to change but even then only going forward.   
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Re: A thought on the proposed ball specs adjustment by USBC
« Reply #115 on: March 04, 2018, 01:50:57 PM »
 Honestly, with all the tech work ball companies have done in the last 20 years, these changes will be little more than inconsequential.

 People have been lead to believe they need much more exotic drilling’s than they actually do. Some do need the help, but those are very, VERY few and far between.

 If people just stay calm and don’t lose their minds over this, they will soon see what I mean.
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Re: A thought on the proposed ball specs adjustment by USBC
« Reply #116 on: March 04, 2018, 02:15:50 PM »
Honestly, with all the tech work ball companies have done in the last 20 years, these changes will be little more than inconsequential.

 People have been lead to believe they need much more exotic drilling’s than they actually do. Some do need the help, but those are very, VERY few and far between.

 If people just stay calm and don’t lose their minds over this, they will soon see what I mean.

I agree. They're going to test oil absortion which is a decent start, but the other stuff is relatively meaningless.

The part I'm wondering about is eliminating balance holes. That creates an issue with "no-thumb" bowlers that use their thumb for spares

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Re: A thought on the proposed ball specs adjustment by USBC
« Reply #117 on: March 04, 2018, 05:26:06 PM »
Elimination of hole for balance purposes in USBC certified competition effective August 1, 2020

That would eliminate 9 of 12 balls that I own which is not acceptable. Without some kind of grandfather clause then this will be the end of my USBC competition and membership. I will seek nonsanction play after that date.
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Re: A thought on the proposed ball specs adjustment by USBC
« Reply #118 on: March 04, 2018, 05:59:50 PM »
So the date is 2+ years out, and there is this much complaining?

In my current lineup, I have 1 ball that's going to not be allowed, and it would probably be on it's way out as soon as I get my Shadow Ops.

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Re: A thought on the proposed ball specs adjustment by USBC
« Reply #119 on: March 04, 2018, 06:15:34 PM »
Ok, so up to 3 ounces on statics and more more balance holes? Should be interesting

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Re: A thought on the proposed ball specs adjustment by USBC
« Reply #120 on: March 04, 2018, 07:16:15 PM »
So if you have a ball that has a balance hole and you plug that hole is it possible that it will be legal since the static weights are increased to 3 ounces under the proposed rules?

 Updated Proposed Change #1:
USBC proposes the following changes to Drilling Specifications:
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Increasing the balance tolerances for static weight (side weight, thumb/finger weight and  balls without holes) to 3 ounces (for balls weighing more than 10 pounds).
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Elimination of all balance holes.
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